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Which Book on Leftist Ideology is Your Preferred Book?

The Communist Manifesto (Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels)
23
18%
The Conquest of Bread (Peter Kropotkin)
24
19%
Das Kapital (Karl Marx)
21
16%
What is Property? (Pierre-Joseph Proudhon)
2
2%
Guerilla Warfare (Che Guevara)
8
6%
Mutual Aid (Peter Kropotkin)
2
2%
Profit Over People (Noam Chomsky)
4
3%
The Ego and Its Own (Max Stirner)
8
6%
Debt: The First 5,000 Years (David Graeber)
5
4%
Other (Please Explain)
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25%
 
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Postby Nakena » Wed May 22, 2019 8:19 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
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Sounds spicy.

Sauce me up.


https://www.google.com/search?q=dutch+m ... 66&bih=625


Ohh that is amazing. He had it coming. Shouldn be this a thread of its own? This is too memetic to be true.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Wed May 22, 2019 8:22 am

Nakena wrote:


Ohh that is amazing. He had it coming. Shouldn be this a thread of its own? This is too memetic to be true.


Not the first incident either. Remember a while back people working in refugee centers were told to be quiet about being raped by the migrants they were there to help?

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Postby Cekoviu » Wed May 22, 2019 8:54 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:>Implying Trotsky fucking the free territory was a bad thing
*malicious trot noises*

I'm kind of lost. What was the free territory, and why did Trotsky have sex with it?

I'd be Trotsky's free territory any day ;)
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Wed May 22, 2019 8:55 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:Dutch minister for migration has resigned following it emerging that he covered up the extent of rapes and murders committed by migrants, sweeping those crimes under "Other" in his report on migrant crime.


Oof.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Wed May 22, 2019 8:56 am

Cekoviu wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:I'm kind of lost. What was the free territory, and why did Trotsky have sex with it?

I'd be Trotsky's free territory any day ;)

Same tbh. How could you not with that magnificent beard?
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Postby Cekoviu » Wed May 22, 2019 8:57 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:I'd be Trotsky's free territory any day ;)

Same tbh. How could you not with that magnificent beard?

As a younger man, he didn't have it, but he was still a snacc.
But fr, young Stalin. How can somebody so hot be so evil?
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Postby Proctopeo » Wed May 22, 2019 8:57 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:Dutch minister for migration has resigned following it emerging that he covered up the extent of rapes and murders committed by migrants, sweeping those crimes under "Other" in his report on migrant crime.


Oof.

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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Wed May 22, 2019 9:04 am

Cekoviu wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Same tbh. How could you not with that magnificent beard?

As a younger man, he didn't have it, but he was still a snacc.
But fr, young Stalin. How can somebody so hot be so evil?

Some people have all the luck.
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Postby North German Realm » Wed May 22, 2019 9:17 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:Dutch minister for migration has resigned following it emerging that he covered up the extent of rapes and murders committed by migrants, sweeping those crimes under "Other" in his report on migrant crime.

Not very surprising, I must admit. Neither the "rape" part, nor the "hiding" part.
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Postby Nakena » Wed May 22, 2019 9:19 am

North German Realm wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:Dutch minister for migration has resigned following it emerging that he covered up the extent of rapes and murders committed by migrants, sweeping those crimes under "Other" in his report on migrant crime.

Not very surprising, I must admit. Neither the "rape" part, nor the "hiding" part.


It's really too memetic to be true. My dutch friendos will be very upset.

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Postby North German Realm » Wed May 22, 2019 9:21 am

Nakena wrote:
North German Realm wrote:Not very surprising, I must admit. Neither the "rape" part, nor the "hiding" part.


It's really too memetic to be true. My dutch friendos will be very upset.

At this point, Politics is just a continued meme, I must admit.
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Postby New yugoslavaia » Wed May 22, 2019 9:25 am

Nakena wrote:
North German Realm wrote:Not very surprising, I must admit. Neither the "rape" part, nor the "hiding" part.


It's really too memetic to be true. My dutch friendos will be very upset.


"But muh woit jeanocide!"
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Postby Nakena » Wed May 22, 2019 9:43 am

New yugoslavaia wrote:
Nakena wrote:
It's really too memetic to be true. My dutch friendos will be very upset.


"But muh woit jeanocide!"


Whats amazing that former liberals, once they are getting against the system, are much more filled with rage an anger than those amongst us who had beforehand some kind of distance towards their former beliefs and worldview.

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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Wed May 22, 2019 9:48 am

Nakena wrote:
New yugoslavaia wrote:
"But muh woit jeanocide!"


Whats amazing that former liberals, once they are getting against the system, are much more filled with rage an anger than those amongst us who had beforehand some kind of distance towards their former beliefs and worldview.

This is what “To anger a liberal, tell him the truth” meant all along!
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Postby Nakena » Wed May 22, 2019 9:55 am

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Whats amazing that former liberals, once they are getting against the system, are much more filled with rage an anger than those amongst us who had beforehand some kind of distance towards their former beliefs and worldview.

This is what “To anger a liberal, tell him the truth” meant all along!


Lets say one got particulary mad and upset over the terrorist attacks against Charlie Hebdo and later against the Belgium Brussels airport. Their anger and rage was very real, and also understandable. But perhaps the big difference is that I know we're in a war and ongoing crisis while for them it is all the worse, as it is hurtful strikes into the bubble they have created around themself.

Thus their reactions were much more angry and emotional. If those people ever start changing their allgiance out of those reactions then things will get nasty.

And I say that as someone who's - for liberals at least - far out there on the right.
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Postby Cekoviu » Wed May 22, 2019 9:58 am

Nakena wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:This is what “To anger a liberal, tell him the truth” meant all along!


Lets say one got particulary mad and upset over the terrorist attacks against Charlie Hebdo and later against the Belgium Brussels airport. Their anger and rage was very real, and also understandable. But perhaps the big difference is that I know we're in a war and ongoing crisis while for them it is all the worse, as it is hurtful strikes into the bubble they have created around themself.

Thus their reactions were much more angry and emotional. If those people ever start changing their allgiance out of those reactions then things will get nasty.

And I say that as someone who's - for liberals anyways - far out there on the right.

Referring to the tensions and attacks between immigrants and natural-born citizens in Europe as a "war" only serves to alienate the other side further. That rhetoric is exactly how terrorists are made.
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Postby Nakena » Wed May 22, 2019 10:11 am

Cekoviu wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Lets say one got particulary mad and upset over the terrorist attacks against Charlie Hebdo and later against the Belgium Brussels airport. Their anger and rage was very real, and also understandable. But perhaps the big difference is that I know we're in a war and ongoing crisis while for them it is all the worse, as it is hurtful strikes into the bubble they have created around themself.

Thus their reactions were much more angry and emotional. If those people ever start changing their allgiance out of those reactions then things will get nasty.

And I say that as someone who's - for liberals anyways - far out there on the right.

Referring to the tensions and attacks between immigrants and natural-born citizens in Europe as a "war" only serves to alienate the other side further. That rhetoric is exactly how terrorists are made.


Those attacks were carried out by ISIS, respectively Al-Qaida.

But my upset liberal friends did draw unfortunate conclusions, they were quick to draw a generalized connection to "Muslims" immigrants however indirectly. Which is something I wouldn, because the vast majority of people whom I know (or suspect) to be muslim, if on paper only, are an average, diverse, everyday hard working people.

They do not deserve the blame and they run as everyone else if not much more danger to become caught in the crossfire of the ongoing conflict.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Wed May 22, 2019 10:11 am

Cekoviu wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Lets say one got particulary mad and upset over the terrorist attacks against Charlie Hebdo and later against the Belgium Brussels airport. Their anger and rage was very real, and also understandable. But perhaps the big difference is that I know we're in a war and ongoing crisis while for them it is all the worse, as it is hurtful strikes into the bubble they have created around themself.

Thus their reactions were much more angry and emotional. If those people ever start changing their allgiance out of those reactions then things will get nasty.

And I say that as someone who's - for liberals anyways - far out there on the right.

Referring to the tensions and attacks between immigrants and natural-born citizens in Europe as a "war" only serves to alienate the other side further. That rhetoric is exactly how terrorists are made.


When a state uses violence to protect violence of a migratory group that is recognized as an action undertaken in war. It is how the US and Australia expanded and genocided the natives. Turning a blind eye when white settlers shot natives, but flipping out and raving about "The rule of law" when a native retaliated.

This is arguably akin to how progressive and neoliberal governments are treating the white populace vis migrant crime, including encouraging more arriving and so on. It is less widespread and less systemic, but it is there. The ideological root of the behavior is different, but the mechanics and impact are the same.

He called it a war. That's apt. Not all wars are of the same intensity, some are limited. In some cases, this has resulted in whites leaving an area, such as inner london, in part due to increased violence, crime, and hostility from groups the government refuses to police for fear of being "racist" towards them.
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Postby Cekoviu » Wed May 22, 2019 10:19 am

Nakena wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Referring to the tensions and attacks between immigrants and natural-born citizens in Europe as a "war" only serves to alienate the other side further. That rhetoric is exactly how terrorists are made.


Those attacks were carried out by ISIS, respectively Al-Qaida.

But my upset liberal friends did draw exact the same conclusion you did unintentionally, they were quick to draw a generalized connection to "Muslims" immigrants however indirectly. Which is something I wouldn, because the vast majority of people whom I know (or suspect) to be muslim, if on paper only, are an average, diverse, everyday hard working people.

They do not deserve the blame and they run as everyone else if not much more danger to become caught in the crossfire of the ongoing conflict.

The interesting thing about this post is that I never said anything about Islam, suggesting that you are perhaps projecting a bit here.
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Postby Nakena » Wed May 22, 2019 10:39 am

Cekoviu wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Those attacks were carried out by ISIS, respectively Al-Qaida.

But my upset liberal friends did draw exact the same conclusion you did unintentionally, they were quick to draw a generalized connection to "Muslims" immigrants however indirectly. Which is something I wouldn, because the vast majority of people whom I know (or suspect) to be muslim, if on paper only, are an average, diverse, everyday hard working people.

They do not deserve the blame and they run as everyone else if not much more danger to become caught in the crossfire of the ongoing conflict.

The interesting thing about this post is that I never said anything about Islam, suggesting that you are perhaps projecting a bit here.


Sorry I think we then did misread each other. Ill take the statement back.

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After doing a thorough review of the situation, this seems to be "fiction is reality and anime boobs is pedophilia" nonsense

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Postby Rostavykhan » Wed May 22, 2019 8:10 pm

Nakena wrote:
New yugoslavaia wrote:
"But muh woit jeanocide!"


Whats amazing that former liberals, once they are getting against the system, are much more filled with rage an anger than those amongst us who had beforehand some kind of distance towards their former beliefs and worldview.


I forget who was behind the quote, that you'll not find a more outspoken critic of a system than those who supported it and recently turned against it.



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Postby Liriena » Wed May 22, 2019 8:32 pm

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> Pick up a football.

Am I detecting toxic masculinity and enforcement of traditional gender roles? Shocking.

Turns out that jocks were the real comrades all along and nerds are first in line for the gulags. :P
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