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Which Book on Leftist Ideology is Your Preferred Book?

The Communist Manifesto (Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels)
23
18%
The Conquest of Bread (Peter Kropotkin)
24
19%
Das Kapital (Karl Marx)
21
16%
What is Property? (Pierre-Joseph Proudhon)
2
2%
Guerilla Warfare (Che Guevara)
8
6%
Mutual Aid (Peter Kropotkin)
2
2%
Profit Over People (Noam Chomsky)
4
3%
The Ego and Its Own (Max Stirner)
8
6%
Debt: The First 5,000 Years (David Graeber)
5
4%
Other (Please Explain)
32
25%
 
Total votes : 129

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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Anarchy

Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue May 21, 2019 6:52 pm

Torrocca wrote:

My day is ruined.
Pro: Liberty, Liberalism, Capitalism, Secularism, Equal opportunity, Direct Democracy, Windows Chauvinism, Progressive Rock, LGBT+ Rights, Live and let live tbh.
Against: Authoritarianism, Traditionalism, Non-Market-Socialism, Laissez-Faire Capitalism, Autocracy, (A)Theocracy, Macs, "The ends justify the means," Collectivism in all its forms.
Economic: 0.5
Social: -8
I'm a 19 year old Australian who tries to think about things but fails, as we all do. I'll regret this in 2 years tops.

I think I have gender dysphoria so I'd prefer you use she/her pronouns on me. If not, he/him'll do.

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Cekoviu
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Founded: Oct 18, 2017
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Cekoviu » Tue May 21, 2019 7:01 pm

Torrocca wrote:

Even though I'm not an anarchist, I can definitely appreciate high quality ancom memery when I see it. Nice find.
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Si ergo cogitare bonum non aesthetica Latine erras.

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Pasong Tirad
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Pasong Tirad » Tue May 21, 2019 7:02 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Torrocca wrote:

My day is ruined.

My day was made. This is a beautiful meme.

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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue May 21, 2019 7:03 pm

Pasong Tirad wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:My day is ruined.

My day was made. This is a beautiful meme.

You folks are weird.
Pro: Liberty, Liberalism, Capitalism, Secularism, Equal opportunity, Direct Democracy, Windows Chauvinism, Progressive Rock, LGBT+ Rights, Live and let live tbh.
Against: Authoritarianism, Traditionalism, Non-Market-Socialism, Laissez-Faire Capitalism, Autocracy, (A)Theocracy, Macs, "The ends justify the means," Collectivism in all its forms.
Economic: 0.5
Social: -8
I'm a 19 year old Australian who tries to think about things but fails, as we all do. I'll regret this in 2 years tops.

I think I have gender dysphoria so I'd prefer you use she/her pronouns on me. If not, he/him'll do.

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Cekoviu
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Founded: Oct 18, 2017
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Cekoviu » Tue May 21, 2019 7:05 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Pasong Tirad wrote:My day was made. This is a beautiful meme.

You folks are weird.

This is the LWDT, what did you expect?
RWDT - REST IN POWER
David Hume fangirl, massive Tuvaboo, and adherent of Fidel Castro Thought™. Also a moderate SWERF, traditionalist SJW, and Anglo-Catholic Episcopalian.
/tʃɛ'koʊ.vi:.ju:/ (check-OH-vee-you)
Si ergo cogitare bonum non aesthetica Latine erras.

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Torrocca
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Postby Torrocca » Tue May 21, 2019 7:08 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Torrocca wrote:

My day is ruined.


Get on that Bread Book train, girl, and no longer will your day be ruined!

Well, it'll probably get ruined anyway by the atrocities of Capitalism and the state, but I digress.
Communist now and forever.
I am Her Majesty, Torra I, of the House Anarkittismo, NS's self-anointed Anarcho-Monarchist Queen. Now known as God-Empress Torra.
"Fascism is not debated, it is destroyed." - [b]Buenaventura Durruti

"When the people are being hit with a stick, they are not happier if the stick is called “the stick of the people”. The State is an oppression that must be abolished."
I go by Torra and feminine pronouns! They/Them/Their are perfectly acceptable alternatives as well :3
Suggestions welcome!

Capital - Karl Marx and Frederich Engels
Wage Labor and Capital - Karl Marx
The Conquest of Bread - Peter Kropotkin
Mutual Aid - Peter Kropotkin
Statism and Anarchy - Mikhail Bakunin

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Cekoviu
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Founded: Oct 18, 2017
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue May 21, 2019 7:09 pm

Torrocca wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:My day is ruined.


Get on that Bread Book train, girl, and no longer will your day be ruined!

Well, it'll probably get ruined anyway by the atrocities of Capitalism and the state, but I digress.

The Bread Book is a literary masterpiece on par with the works of Shakespeare, tbh.
RWDT - REST IN POWER
David Hume fangirl, massive Tuvaboo, and adherent of Fidel Castro Thought™. Also a moderate SWERF, traditionalist SJW, and Anglo-Catholic Episcopalian.
/tʃɛ'koʊ.vi:.ju:/ (check-OH-vee-you)
Si ergo cogitare bonum non aesthetica Latine erras.

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Torrocca
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Postby Torrocca » Tue May 21, 2019 7:12 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Get on that Bread Book train, girl, and no longer will your day be ruined!

Well, it'll probably get ruined anyway by the atrocities of Capitalism and the state, but I digress.

The Bread Book is a literary masterpiece on par with the works of Shakespeare, tbh.


All belongs to all!
Communist now and forever.
I am Her Majesty, Torra I, of the House Anarkittismo, NS's self-anointed Anarcho-Monarchist Queen. Now known as God-Empress Torra.
"Fascism is not debated, it is destroyed." - [b]Buenaventura Durruti

"When the people are being hit with a stick, they are not happier if the stick is called “the stick of the people”. The State is an oppression that must be abolished."
I go by Torra and feminine pronouns! They/Them/Their are perfectly acceptable alternatives as well :3
Suggestions welcome!

Capital - Karl Marx and Frederich Engels
Wage Labor and Capital - Karl Marx
The Conquest of Bread - Peter Kropotkin
Mutual Aid - Peter Kropotkin
Statism and Anarchy - Mikhail Bakunin

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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Founded: Aug 11, 2017
Anarchy

Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue May 21, 2019 7:15 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:You folks are weird.

This is the LWDT, what did you expect?

I know, but... Canada tho?
Pro: Liberty, Liberalism, Capitalism, Secularism, Equal opportunity, Direct Democracy, Windows Chauvinism, Progressive Rock, LGBT+ Rights, Live and let live tbh.
Against: Authoritarianism, Traditionalism, Non-Market-Socialism, Laissez-Faire Capitalism, Autocracy, (A)Theocracy, Macs, "The ends justify the means," Collectivism in all its forms.
Economic: 0.5
Social: -8
I'm a 19 year old Australian who tries to think about things but fails, as we all do. I'll regret this in 2 years tops.

I think I have gender dysphoria so I'd prefer you use she/her pronouns on me. If not, he/him'll do.

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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Posts: 8228
Founded: Aug 11, 2017
Anarchy

Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue May 21, 2019 7:18 pm

Torrocca wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:My day is ruined.


Get on that Bread Book train, girl, and no longer will your day be ruined!

Well, it'll probably get ruined anyway by the atrocities of Capitalism and the state, but I digress.

Okay, I will read Conquest of Bread, but only because you called me "girl."
Pro: Liberty, Liberalism, Capitalism, Secularism, Equal opportunity, Direct Democracy, Windows Chauvinism, Progressive Rock, LGBT+ Rights, Live and let live tbh.
Against: Authoritarianism, Traditionalism, Non-Market-Socialism, Laissez-Faire Capitalism, Autocracy, (A)Theocracy, Macs, "The ends justify the means," Collectivism in all its forms.
Economic: 0.5
Social: -8
I'm a 19 year old Australian who tries to think about things but fails, as we all do. I'll regret this in 2 years tops.

I think I have gender dysphoria so I'd prefer you use she/her pronouns on me. If not, he/him'll do.

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Pasong Tirad
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Posts: 9979
Founded: May 31, 2007
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Pasong Tirad » Tue May 21, 2019 7:18 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:This is the LWDT, what did you expect?

I know, but... Canada tho?

The revolution is international.

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Pasong Tirad
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Founded: May 31, 2007
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Pasong Tirad » Tue May 21, 2019 7:19 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Get on that Bread Book train, girl, and no longer will your day be ruined!

Well, it'll probably get ruined anyway by the atrocities of Capitalism and the state, but I digress.

Okay, I will read Conquest of Bread, but only because you called me "girl."

There are free audiobook and e-book versions online that you can download. For free. No strings attached. Free. Totally 100% free.

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Nakena
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Founded: May 06, 2017
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Postby Nakena » Tue May 21, 2019 7:19 pm

Pasong Tirad wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:I know, but... Canada tho?

The revolution is international.


Weren't you also bioregionalist?

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Torrocca
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Postby Torrocca » Tue May 21, 2019 7:20 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Get on that Bread Book train, girl, and no longer will your day be ruined!

Well, it'll probably get ruined anyway by the atrocities of Capitalism and the state, but I digress.

Okay, I will read Conquest of Bread, but only because you called me "girl."


Yay! :3
Communist now and forever.
I am Her Majesty, Torra I, of the House Anarkittismo, NS's self-anointed Anarcho-Monarchist Queen. Now known as God-Empress Torra.
"Fascism is not debated, it is destroyed." - [b]Buenaventura Durruti

"When the people are being hit with a stick, they are not happier if the stick is called “the stick of the people”. The State is an oppression that must be abolished."
I go by Torra and feminine pronouns! They/Them/Their are perfectly acceptable alternatives as well :3
Suggestions welcome!

Capital - Karl Marx and Frederich Engels
Wage Labor and Capital - Karl Marx
The Conquest of Bread - Peter Kropotkin
Mutual Aid - Peter Kropotkin
Statism and Anarchy - Mikhail Bakunin

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Cekoviu
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Founded: Oct 18, 2017
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Cekoviu » Tue May 21, 2019 7:21 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:This is the LWDT, what did you expect?

I know, but... Canada tho?

Canada is the pinnacle of libertarian socialism, ya Kiwi.
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Get on that Bread Book train, girl, and no longer will your day be ruined!

Well, it'll probably get ruined anyway by the atrocities of Capitalism and the state, but I digress.

Okay, I will read Conquest of Bread, but only because you called me "girl."

Also because it contains some great bread (both flatbread and uprising) recipes, I hope?
RWDT - REST IN POWER
David Hume fangirl, massive Tuvaboo, and adherent of Fidel Castro Thought™. Also a moderate SWERF, traditionalist SJW, and Anglo-Catholic Episcopalian.
/tʃɛ'koʊ.vi:.ju:/ (check-OH-vee-you)
Si ergo cogitare bonum non aesthetica Latine erras.

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Hanafuridake
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Postby Hanafuridake » Tue May 21, 2019 7:21 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Get on that Bread Book train, girl, and no longer will your day be ruined!

Well, it'll probably get ruined anyway by the atrocities of Capitalism and the state, but I digress.

The Bread Book is a literary masterpiece on par with the works of Shakespeare, tbh.


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Benuty
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Postby Benuty » Tue May 21, 2019 7:26 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:The Bread Book is a literary masterpiece on par with the works of Shakespeare, tbh.


Image

Given how skinny they look they might need more bread.
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Cekoviu
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue May 21, 2019 7:28 pm

Benuty wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:
Image

Given how skinny they look they might need more bread.

That actually lines up pretty well with implementations of communism in the past...
RWDT - REST IN POWER
David Hume fangirl, massive Tuvaboo, and adherent of Fidel Castro Thought™. Also a moderate SWERF, traditionalist SJW, and Anglo-Catholic Episcopalian.
/tʃɛ'koʊ.vi:.ju:/ (check-OH-vee-you)
Si ergo cogitare bonum non aesthetica Latine erras.

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Benuty
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Postby Benuty » Tue May 21, 2019 7:28 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:I know, but... Canada tho?

Canada is the pinnacle of libertarian socialism, ya Kiwi.
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Okay, I will read Conquest of Bread, but only because you called me "girl."

Also because it contains some great bread (both flatbread and uprising) recipes, I hope?

The only pinnacle of libertarian socialism is the Soviets under the libertarian branch of the party in Fuhrerreich.
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Torrocca
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Postby Torrocca » Tue May 21, 2019 7:29 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Benuty wrote:Given how skinny they look they might need more bread.

That actually lines up pretty well with implementations of communism in the past...


>TFW the USSR and whatnot never actually implemented Communism but Commies of all stripes get bullied relentlessly regardless because of the association

Cek pls ;~;
Communist now and forever.
I am Her Majesty, Torra I, of the House Anarkittismo, NS's self-anointed Anarcho-Monarchist Queen. Now known as God-Empress Torra.
"Fascism is not debated, it is destroyed." - [b]Buenaventura Durruti

"When the people are being hit with a stick, they are not happier if the stick is called “the stick of the people”. The State is an oppression that must be abolished."
I go by Torra and feminine pronouns! They/Them/Their are perfectly acceptable alternatives as well :3
Suggestions welcome!

Capital - Karl Marx and Frederich Engels
Wage Labor and Capital - Karl Marx
The Conquest of Bread - Peter Kropotkin
Mutual Aid - Peter Kropotkin
Statism and Anarchy - Mikhail Bakunin

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Benuty
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Postby Benuty » Tue May 21, 2019 7:30 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:That actually lines up pretty well with implementations of communism in the past...


>TFW the USSR and whatnot never actually implemented Communism but Commies of all stripes get bullied relentlessly regardless because of the association

Cek pls ;~;

Ignoring the potential for a no true Scotsman here Lenin tried, died, and then Stalin floored the founder's vision into a nightmarish industrial hellscape.
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Torrocca
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Postby Torrocca » Tue May 21, 2019 7:32 pm

Benuty wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
>TFW the USSR and whatnot never actually implemented Communism but Commies of all stripes get bullied relentlessly regardless because of the association

Cek pls ;~;

Ignoring the potential for a no true Scotsman here Lenin tried, died, and then Stalin floored the founder's vision into a nightmarish industrial hellscape.


I mean, it's really not a No True Scotsman to say Communism wasn't implemented in the USSR or the other Marxist-Leninist countries, but otherwise, yeah, Stalin went fucking bonkers destroying any chance of it happening.
Communist now and forever.
I am Her Majesty, Torra I, of the House Anarkittismo, NS's self-anointed Anarcho-Monarchist Queen. Now known as God-Empress Torra.
"Fascism is not debated, it is destroyed." - [b]Buenaventura Durruti

"When the people are being hit with a stick, they are not happier if the stick is called “the stick of the people”. The State is an oppression that must be abolished."
I go by Torra and feminine pronouns! They/Them/Their are perfectly acceptable alternatives as well :3
Suggestions welcome!

Capital - Karl Marx and Frederich Engels
Wage Labor and Capital - Karl Marx
The Conquest of Bread - Peter Kropotkin
Mutual Aid - Peter Kropotkin
Statism and Anarchy - Mikhail Bakunin

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Postby Benuty » Tue May 21, 2019 7:32 pm

On the topic of Lenin while I disagree with him on quite a lot his attempt to preserve Russian art, and intellectual culture following the revolution is somewhat interesting. Apparently, his contemporaries thought Russians degenerate, and in order to truly accomplish the party goals they needed to introduce a westernized culture.
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Postby Benuty » Tue May 21, 2019 7:34 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Benuty wrote:Ignoring the potential for a no true Scotsman here Lenin tried, died, and then Stalin floored the founder's vision into a nightmarish industrial hellscape.


I mean, it's really not a No True Scotsman to say Communism wasn't implemented in the USSR or the other Marxist-Leninist countries, but otherwise, yeah, Stalin went fucking bonkers destroying any chance of it happening.

I mean let us be honest the marxist-Leninists tried, and failed spectacularly. Not so much as the Maoists who basically created nazi's in the making with a lot of their followers fetishizing ethnic identity to the extreme.
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Pasong Tirad
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Postby Pasong Tirad » Tue May 21, 2019 7:36 pm

Nakena wrote:
Pasong Tirad wrote:The revolution is international.


Weren't you also bioregionalist?

I don't believe I know what a bioregionalist is.

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