Climate change claims its first mammal

[Gormwood]

The island of Tuvalu is turning into Atlantis because of climate change, forcing its inhabitants into exile and people still don't give a shit.

But complaining about a rat will be different because..?

So nothing short of banks sinking will make people give a shit. Just great.

[The Emerald Legion]

Eh. It was a useless rat.

[Ors Might]

Might be more useful to explain to people how shocks to ecosystems, extinctions for example, could negatively impact humanity. There’s little reason to give a shit about non-human species that aren’t valuable to us in some way.

or just care about every species instead of being so selfish, Amazing concept i know. Thinking like this makes me wish dinosaurs never went extinct

Why should we care about every species? Is every species of the utmost importance to their ecosystem and humanity as a whole?

[San Lumen]

or just care about every species instead of being so selfish, Amazing concept i know. Thinking like this makes me wish dinosaurs never went extinct

Why should we care about every species? Is every species of the utmost importance to their ecosystem and humanity as a whole?

Yes it is. Everything is interconnected.

[Ors Might]

But complaining about a rat will be different because..?

So nothing short of banks sinking will make people give a shit. Just great.

Yeah. Making it personal for the people you want to convince is a better plan than rat dying.

[Ors Might]

Why should we care about every species? Is every species of the utmost importance to their ecosystem and humanity as a whole?

Yes it is. Everything is interconnected.

So what damage was done by this rat going extinct?

[Gormwood]

So nothing short of banks sinking will make people give a shit. Just great.

Yeah. Making it personal for the people you want to convince is a better plan than rat dying.

By the time it gets to a point it becomes personal it's fucking too late, we're living in Waterworld.

[The Emerald Legion]

Yeah. Making it personal for the people you want to convince is a better plan than rat dying.

By the time it gets to a point it becomes personal it's fucking too late, we're living in Waterworld.

Honestly, waterworld would be badass.

[Ors Might]

Yeah. Making it personal for the people you want to convince is a better plan than rat dying.

By the time it gets to a point it becomes personal it's fucking too late, we're living in Waterworld.

So then we gotta work a little harder and stop whining that people are stubborn and take effort to convince.

[San Lumen]

Yes it is. Everything is interconnected.

So what damage was done by this rat going extinct?

Why are you being so selfish? Who needs the Amazon? Lets cut it down for farmland or wood.

who needs birds? What purpose do they serve?

Sometime in the near distant future:

Child: Grandpa/Grandma what are birds and fish?

Grandpa/Grandma: Birds were creatures who flew in the sky and made nests in trees, sang beautiful songs and came in many sizes ands colors but we destroyed their homes to build cookie cutter housing. Fish swam in the ocean and came in many shapes and sizing but due to demand for food we oversfished and made them go extinct but i didnt care then nor did others. I’m sorry for the terrible world you inherited. I wish things could have been different for you.”

[Gormwood]

By the time it gets to a point it becomes personal it's fucking too late, we're living in Waterworld.

Honestly, waterworld would be badass.

You want to live in one of the shittiest movies in history...

[The Emerald Legion]

Honestly, waterworld would be badass.

You want to live in one of the shittiest movies in history...

Pfff. You act like it was the Last Jedi.

[Ors Might]

So what damage was done by this rat going extinct?

Why are you being so selfish? Who needs the Amazon? Lets cut it down for farmland or wood.

who needs birds? What purpose do they serve?

Sometime in the near distant future:

Child: Grandpa/Grandma what are birds and fish?

Grandpa/Grandma: Birds were creatures who flew in the sky and made nests in trees, sang beautiful songs and came in many sizes ands colors but we destroyed their homes to build cookie cutter housing. Fish swam in the ocean and came in many shapes and sizing but due to demand for food we oversfished and made them go extinct but i didnt care then nor did others. I’m sorry for the terrible world you inherited. I wish things could have been different for you.”

Trees are objectively beneficial for nearly every living being on this planet. Deforestation is an actual problem when we don’t replace them.

Now, what problem does the extinction of an obscure rodent on an island pose to the rest of the world?

[Paradeavenlisian States]

What people dismiss when it's A Fucking Rat they will act shocked with when it moves up to polar bears and beyond.

Might be more useful to explain to people how shocks to ecosystems, extinctions for example, could negatively impact humanity. There’s little reason to give a shit about non-human species that aren’t valuable to us in some way.

Well, for starters, without worms, soil fertility wouldn't be as good due to the lack of nutrients being spread, therefore, meaning that the crops wouldn't be as easy to grow and therefore, along with the lack of meat, there would be quite a huge famine crisis. In addition, ants recycle the nutrients found in the soil which is vital for plants to grow and they actually increase the yield of wheat, crops, coffee and even chocolate. Also, without bees, we certainly wouldn't exist(yes, even Albert Einstein remarked this), as they actually produce quite a lot of food. In addition, a lot of crops are VERY reliant on pollination(which bees tend to do). Also, every species has a role to play in its surrounding ecosystem and environment and a lot of the time, without one of those, it could ruin the chain as shown when wolves were erradicated from Yellowstone National Park but then reintroduced:https://www.yellowstonepark.com/things-to-do/wolf-reintroduction-changes-ecosystem

So, therefore, without non-human species, we would all be doomed no matter what.

Trees are objectively beneficial for nearly every living being on this planet. Deforestation is an actual problem when we don’t replace them.

Now, what problem does the extinction of an obscure rodent on an island pose to the rest of the world?

And, in addition, trees actually PRODUCE oxygen and breath in carbon dioxide, and if deforestation continues at this rate, then there would be less trees to get rid of the carbon dioxide. Oh, and they actually produce medicine too which can help combat a variety of illnesses.

[San Lumen]

Why are you being so selfish? Who needs the Amazon? Lets cut it down for farmland or wood.

who needs birds? What purpose do they serve?

Sometime in the near distant future:

Child: Grandpa/Grandma what are birds and fish?

Grandpa/Grandma: Birds were creatures who flew in the sky and made nests in trees, sang beautiful songs and came in many sizes ands colors but we destroyed their homes to build cookie cutter housing. Fish swam in the ocean and came in many shapes and sizing but due to demand for food we oversfished and made them go extinct but i didnt care then nor did others. I’m sorry for the terrible world you inherited. I wish things could have been different for you.”

Trees are objectively beneficial for nearly every living being on this planet. Deforestation is an actual problem when we don’t replace them.

Now, what problem does the extinction of an obscure rodent on an island pose to the rest of the world?

food for other species perhaps. What purpose to rhinos, hippos, elephants or hawks serve?

[The Emerald Legion]

So what damage was done by this rat going extinct?

Why are you being so selfish? Who needs the Amazon? Lets cut it down for farmland or wood.

who needs birds? What purpose do they serve?

Sometime in the near distant future:

Child: Grandpa/Grandma what are birds and fish?

Grandpa/Grandma: Birds were creatures who flew in the sky and made nests in trees, sang beautiful songs and came in many sizes ands colors but we destroyed their homes to build cookie cutter housing. Fish swam in the ocean and came in many shapes and sizing but due to demand for food we oversfished and made them go extinct but i didnt care then nor did others. I’m sorry for the terrible world you inherited. I wish things could have been different for you.”

Birds don't sing beautiful songs. They make annoying chirping noises.

[San Lumen]

Why are you being so selfish? Who needs the Amazon? Lets cut it down for farmland or wood.

who needs birds? What purpose do they serve?

Sometime in the near distant future:

Child: Grandpa/Grandma what are birds and fish?

Grandpa/Grandma: Birds were creatures who flew in the sky and made nests in trees, sang beautiful songs and came in many sizes ands colors but we destroyed their homes to build cookie cutter housing. Fish swam in the ocean and came in many shapes and sizing but due to demand for food we oversfished and made them go extinct but i didnt care then nor did others. I’m sorry for the terrible world you inherited. I wish things could have been different for you.”

Birds don't sing beautiful songs. They make annoying chirping noises.

Yeah who needs them? They cut into the quiet of my street with their white picket fences and cookie cutter housing.

You like others are very selfish

[The Emerald Legion]

Birds don't sing beautiful songs. They make annoying chirping noises.

Yeah who needs them? They cut into the quiet of my street with their white picket fences and cookie cutter housing.

You like others are very selfish

You have a very strange idea as to how I live.

[San Lumen]

Yeah who needs them? They cut into the quiet of my street with their white picket fences and cookie cutter housing.

You like others are very selfish

You have a very strange idea as to how I live.

Thinking like your makes me believe Thanos had the right idea in Infinity War.

[Ors Might]

Might be more useful to explain to people how shocks to ecosystems, extinctions for example, could negatively impact humanity. There’s little reason to give a shit about non-human species that aren’t valuable to us in some way.

Well, for starters, without worms, soil fertility wouldn't be as good due to the lack of nutrients being spread, therefore, meaning that the crops wouldn't be as easy to grow and therefore, along with the lack of meat, there would be quite a huge famine crisis. In addition, ants recycle the nutrients found in the soil which is vital for plants to grow and they actually increase the yield of wheat, crops, coffee and even chocolate. Also, without bees, we certainly wouldn't exist(yes, even Albert Einstein remarked this), as they actually produce quite a lot of food. In addition, a lot of crops are VERY reliant on pollination(which bees tend to do). Also, every species has a role to play in its surrounding ecosystem and environment. So, therefore, without non-human species, we would all be doomed no matter what.

Trees are objectively beneficial for nearly every living being on this planet. Deforestation is an actual problem when we don’t replace them.

Now, what problem does the extinction of an obscure rodent on an island pose to the rest of the world?

And, in addition, trees actually PRODUCE oxygen and breath in carbon dioxide, and if deforestation continues at this rate, then there would be less trees to get rid of the carbon dioxide. Oh, and they actually produce medicine too which can help combat a variety of illnesses.

I agree. Environmentalism will start to really catch on once environmentalidtd start focusing on the practical benefits to preserving nature rather as opposed to capitalizing on kneejerk emotional responses.

Trees are objectively beneficial for nearly every living being on this planet. Deforestation is an actual problem when we don’t replace them.

Now, what problem does the extinction of an obscure rodent on an island pose to the rest of the world?

food for other species perhaps. What purpose to rhinos, hippos, elephants or hawks serve?

They were unlikely an important food source given how fragile their species as a while was. Otherwise, they’d have gone extinct a while ago.

You know, by pointing out how some species serve no purpose but providing you opportunities to grandstand, you’re not doing those species any favors

[Ors Might]

You have a very strange idea as to how I live.

Thinking like your makes me believe Thanos had the right idea in Infinity War.

As persuasive as always Lumen.

[San Lumen]

Well, for starters, without worms, soil fertility wouldn't be as good due to the lack of nutrients being spread, therefore, meaning that the crops wouldn't be as easy to grow and therefore, along with the lack of meat, there would be quite a huge famine crisis. In addition, ants recycle the nutrients found in the soil which is vital for plants to grow and they actually increase the yield of wheat, crops, coffee and even chocolate. Also, without bees, we certainly wouldn't exist(yes, even Albert Einstein remarked this), as they actually produce quite a lot of food. In addition, a lot of crops are VERY reliant on pollination(which bees tend to do). Also, every species has a role to play in its surrounding ecosystem and environment. So, therefore, without non-human species, we would all be doomed no matter what.


And, in addition, trees actually PRODUCE oxygen and breath in carbon dioxide, and if deforestation continues at this rate, then there would be less trees to get rid of the carbon dioxide. Oh, and they actually produce medicine too which can help combat a variety of illnesses.

I agree. Environmentalism will start to really catch on once environmentalidtd start focusing on the practical benefits to preserving nature rather as opposed to capitalizing on kneejerk emotional responses.

food for other species perhaps. What purpose to rhinos, hippos, elephants or hawks serve?

They were unlikely an important food source given how fragile their species as a while was. Otherwise, they’d have gone extinct a while ago.

You know, by pointing out how some species serve no purpose but providing you opportunities to grandstand, you’re not doing those species any favors

So in other words if they dont benefit us who cares if they go extinct? Thinking like this makes me agree with Thanos in Infinity War. Humans are destroying this planet and by the time people realize it it will be too late.

[Ors Might]

I agree. Environmentalism will start to really catch on once environmentalidtd start focusing on the practical benefits to preserving nature rather as opposed to capitalizing on kneejerk emotional responses.


They were unlikely an important food source given how fragile their species as a while was. Otherwise, they’d have gone extinct a while ago.

You know, by pointing out how some species serve no purpose but providing you opportunities to grandstand, you’re not doing those species any favors

So in other words if they dont benefit us who cares if they go extinct? Thinking like this makes me agree with Thanos in Infinity War. Humans are destroying this planet and by the time people realize it it will be too late.

Destroying the planet will harm us. Until we manage to perfect space travel and terraforming, we’re stuck on this rock. So it’s in our best interest to make it last as long as we can.

Focus on that and you might get somewhere in the wider debate.

[Drongonia]

Personally I'm not buying it until there's inexplicable proof that it is linked to climate change. In the report they use the word "might".

[San Lumen]

So in other words if they dont benefit us who cares if they go extinct? Thinking like this makes me agree with Thanos in Infinity War. Humans are destroying this planet and by the time people realize it it will be too late.

Destroying the planet will harm us. Until we manage to perfect space travel and terraforming, we’re stuck on this rock. So it’s in our best interest to make it last as long as we can.

Focus on that and you might get somewhere in the wider debate.

How about we stop focusing on something that wont be possible for centuries and care about the rock we live on?