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Which Book on Leftist Ideology is Your Preferred Book?

The Communist Manifesto (Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels)
23
18%
The Conquest of Bread (Peter Kropotkin)
24
19%
Das Kapital (Karl Marx)
21
16%
What is Property? (Pierre-Joseph Proudhon)
2
2%
Guerilla Warfare (Che Guevara)
8
6%
Mutual Aid (Peter Kropotkin)
2
2%
Profit Over People (Noam Chomsky)
4
3%
The Ego and Its Own (Max Stirner)
8
6%
Debt: The First 5,000 Years (David Graeber)
5
4%
Other (Please Explain)
32
25%
 
Total votes : 129

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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Anarchy

Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon May 20, 2019 9:46 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Hey! I'll have you know that some of the billionaires are good, hardworking people and they have male sidepieces!

I don't see why these bigoted people hate capitalism! Capitalism is woke! They value all wallets equally!

"True equality will only be achieved when 50% of CEOs are women."
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Bear Stearns
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Capitalizt

Postby Bear Stearns » Mon May 20, 2019 10:06 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:I don't see why these bigoted people hate capitalism! Capitalism is woke! They value all wallets equally!

"True equality will only be achieved when 50% of CEOs are women."


Sabrina, don't just stare at it, eat it.
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Asherahan
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Postby Asherahan » Tue May 21, 2019 2:38 am

Should we force secularism on all people and State Atheism for State Employees?

I believe this is the best choice to deal with fundamentalists.
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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue May 21, 2019 3:02 am

Asherahan wrote:Should we force secularism on all people and State Atheism for State Employees?

I believe this is the best choice to deal with fundamentalists.

Secularism is not forced, it is only infringed upon. To restrict expression of religion is not secularism but a violation of it. State atheism is as bad as theocracy. The state should not have a position on religion, other than that all people are entitled to their beliefs.
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Page » Tue May 21, 2019 3:02 am

Asherahan wrote:Should we force secularism on all people and State Atheism for State Employees?

I believe this is the best choice to deal with fundamentalists.


No. We should promote secularism by example, by making it look appealing. Show people how we aren't ashamed of our bodies and our sexuality, how we don't live in fear of divine judgment, how we have a consistent moral code based on humanist principles, and that we're happier because we are free from religion.

Rather than coerce people, show that secular life is free from coercion.
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Asherahan
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Asherahan » Tue May 21, 2019 3:09 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Asherahan wrote:Should we force secularism on all people and State Atheism for State Employees?

I believe this is the best choice to deal with fundamentalists.

Secularism is not forced, it is only infringed upon. State atheism is as bad as theocracy. The state should not have a position on religion, other than that all people are entitled to their beliefs.

Why should progress by slowed by a Fundamentalists even if the moderates among them don't care?
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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue May 21, 2019 3:10 am

Asherahan wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Secularism is not forced, it is only infringed upon. State atheism is as bad as theocracy. The state should not have a position on religion, other than that all people are entitled to their beliefs.

Why should progress by slowed by a Fundamentalists even if the moderates among them don't care?

Because fundamentalists have a right to peacefully express their beliefs.
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Asherahan
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Postby Asherahan » Tue May 21, 2019 3:14 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Asherahan wrote:Why should progress by slowed by a Fundamentalists even if the moderates among them don't care?

Because fundamentalists have a right to peacefully express their beliefs.

No as an extremist I refuse to allow other extremists to even breath why would I let them have feelings and opinions?
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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue May 21, 2019 3:17 am

Asherahan wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Because fundamentalists have a right to peacefully express their beliefs.

No as an extremist I refuse to allow other extremists to even breath why would I let them have feelings and opinions?

Poe's law, help pls.
Pro: Liberty, Liberalism, Capitalism, Secularism, Equal opportunity, Democracy, Windows Chauvinism, Deontology, Progressive Rock, LGBT+ Rights, Live and let live tbh.
Against: Authoritarianism, Traditionalism, State Socialism, Laissez-Faire Capitalism, Autocracy, (A)Theocracy, Apple, "The ends justify the means," Collectivism in all its forms.
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Dumb Ideologies
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Mother Knows Best State

Postby Dumb Ideologies » Tue May 21, 2019 3:20 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Asherahan wrote:No as an extremist I refuse to allow other extremists to even breath why would I let them have feelings and opinions?

Poe's law, help pls.


No, left unity says you go gulag now.

Bros before Poes.
Are these "human rights" in the room with us right now?
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Asherahan
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Asherahan » Tue May 21, 2019 3:23 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Poe's law, help pls.


No, left unity says you go gulag now.

Bros before Poes.

Why spent money? Strip his citizenship take all his money and exile him.
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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue May 21, 2019 3:25 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Poe's law, help pls.


No, left unity says you go gulag now.

Bros before Poes.

It's all fun and games until someone brings out the gulags.
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue May 21, 2019 5:30 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Poe's law, help pls.


No, left unity says you go gulag now.

Bros before Poes.

What if I'm a ho and neither a poe nor a bro? Where do I stand, d'oh?
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Asherahan
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Postby Asherahan » Tue May 21, 2019 7:21 am

Cekoviu wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:
No, left unity says you go gulag now.

Bros before Poes.

What if I'm a ho and neither a poe nor a bro? Where do I stand, d'oh?

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Postby New yugoslavaia » Tue May 21, 2019 8:29 am

So, would the capitalist version cultural Marxism be...cultural Adamism?
Yugoslavia's back baby...

How the hell did this happen?
Well...we don't actually know. Just sort of happened one day.
Is it a reunited Yugoslavia in the 21st century? Is a rebel colony world in the far future? Is it a race of cyborg neo-life at war with any assimilating organisms they come across in the far far future? Who knows, who cares?
New Yugoslavia just is.

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Postby Cekoviu » Tue May 21, 2019 8:42 am

Asherahan wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:What if I'm a ho and neither a poe nor a bro? Where do I stand, d'oh?

Image

Joke's on you, I'm already dead inside
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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue May 21, 2019 8:55 am

New yugoslavaia wrote:So, would the capitalist version cultural Marxism be...cultural Adamism?

I am now a cultural adamist.
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Torrocca
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Torrocca » Tue May 21, 2019 11:24 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
New yugoslavaia wrote:So, would the capitalist version cultural Marxism be...cultural Adamism?

I am now a cultural adamist.


To be honest, Adam Smith's ideas are closer to Socialism and Social Democracy than they ever would be to Capitalism, so you're secretly telling us you're a market leftist :^)
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue May 21, 2019 11:26 am

Torrocca wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:I am now a cultural adamist.


To be honest, Adam Smith's ideas are closer to Socialism and Social Democracy than they ever would be to Capitalism, so you're secretly telling us you're a market leftist :^)

IS XENO SECRETLY A TANKIE???!? [GONE WRONG]
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Torrocca
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Postby Torrocca » Tue May 21, 2019 11:27 am

Cekoviu wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
To be honest, Adam Smith's ideas are closer to Socialism and Social Democracy than they ever would be to Capitalism, so you're secretly telling us you're a market leftist :^)

IS XENO SECRETLY A TANKIE???!? [GONE WRONG]


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New yugoslavaia
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Postby New yugoslavaia » Tue May 21, 2019 12:02 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
To be honest, Adam Smith's ideas are closer to Socialism and Social Democracy than they ever would be to Capitalism, so you're secretly telling us you're a market leftist :^)

IS XENO SECRETLY A TANKIE???!? [GONE WRONG]


Richard Kalergi DESTROYS anti-European COMMIE SCUM with FACTS and LOGIC.
Yugoslavia's back baby...

How the hell did this happen?
Well...we don't actually know. Just sort of happened one day.
Is it a reunited Yugoslavia in the 21st century? Is a rebel colony world in the far future? Is it a race of cyborg neo-life at war with any assimilating organisms they come across in the far far future? Who knows, who cares?
New Yugoslavia just is.

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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Founded: Aug 11, 2017
Anarchy

Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue May 21, 2019 4:39 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
To be honest, Adam Smith's ideas are closer to Socialism and Social Democracy than they ever would be to Capitalism, so you're secretly telling us you're a market leftist :^)

IS XENO SECRETLY A TANKIE???!? [GONE WRONG]

For the last time, I am not an Ancap. (Ancaps are just tankies who like freedom. Fact).
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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue May 21, 2019 4:40 pm

Torrocca wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:I am now a cultural adamist.


To be honest, Adam Smith's ideas are closer to Socialism and Social Democracy than they ever would be to Capitalism, so you're secretly telling us you're a market leftist :^)

Adam Smith was actually the first centrist, sooooooo....
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Postby First American Empire » Tue May 21, 2019 6:43 pm

New yugoslavaia wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:IS XENO SECRETLY A TANKIE???!? [GONE WRONG]


Richard Kalergi DESTROYS anti-European COMMIE SCUM with FACTS and LOGIC.


Kalergi would absolutely destroy anti-EU scum. Communists, not so much. His opinion on it was neutral, much like my own. To quote Wikipedia: "He believed that individualism and socialism would learn to cooperate instead of compete, and urged that capitalism and communism cross-fertilise each other just as the Protestant Reformation had spurred the Catholic Church to regenerate itself."

I'm surprised you know who Kalergi is, he's pretty obscure and only really known by Eurofederalists (who like him), and Neo-Nazis (who hate him). Please tell me you're the former and not the latter.

Also, do you know anywhere to read an English translation of his book Pan-Europa? I've been wanting to read it but all I can find are German translations.
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Torrocca » Tue May 21, 2019 6:45 pm

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NOTICE 1: Anything depicted IC on this nation does NOT reflect my IRL views or values, and is not endorsed by me.
NOTICE 2: Most RP and every OOC post by me prior to 2023 are no longer endorsed nor tolerated by me. I've since put on my adult pants!
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