NATION

PASSWORD

LWDT 7: The Earth and Heavens Tremble.

For discussion and debate about anything. (Not a roleplay related forum; out-of-character commentary only.)

Advertisement

Remove ads

Which Book on Leftist Ideology is Your Preferred Book?

The Communist Manifesto (Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels)
23
18%
The Conquest of Bread (Peter Kropotkin)
24
19%
Das Kapital (Karl Marx)
21
16%
What is Property? (Pierre-Joseph Proudhon)
2
2%
Guerilla Warfare (Che Guevara)
8
6%
Mutual Aid (Peter Kropotkin)
2
2%
Profit Over People (Noam Chomsky)
4
3%
The Ego and Its Own (Max Stirner)
8
6%
Debt: The First 5,000 Years (David Graeber)
5
4%
Other (Please Explain)
32
25%
 
Total votes : 129

User avatar
Liriena
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 59873
Founded: Nov 19, 2010
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Liriena » Fri May 17, 2019 8:26 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:When people praise Stalin, I don't think they realize that would have absolutely no impact on them being sent to the gulags. He didn't play favorites when it came to torturing people, just ask his relatives.

tfw you're the good boy Molotov, the most loyal of loyal Stalinists, and you still get your wife taken away
be gay do crime


I am:
A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist
An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
cynicism


⚧Copy and paste this in your sig
if you passed biology and know
gender and sex aren't the same thing.⚧

I disown most of my previous posts

User avatar
Duhon
Senator
 
Posts: 4421
Founded: Nov 21, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Duhon » Fri May 17, 2019 8:30 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:When people praise Stalin, I don't think they realize that would have absolutely no impact on them being sent to the gulags. He didn't play favorites when it came to torturing people, just ask his relatives.


It is only by being dead that you become completely loyal to the authoritarian.

User avatar
Kowani
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 22383
Founded: Apr 01, 2018
Democratic Socialists

Postby Kowani » Fri May 17, 2019 10:30 pm

Duhon wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:When people praise Stalin, I don't think they realize that would have absolutely no impact on them being sent to the gulags. He didn't play favorites when it came to torturing people, just ask his relatives.


It is only by being dead that you become completely loyal to the authoritarian.

Not true, for in death you become a martyr for seditious groups to rally around. Only when your memory is eradicated from the populace, and all records of you expunged, does one truly become loyal to the State.
Spanish Atheist.
“The time has come to call evil out as evil, and we shall not apologize for naming brutality.”

Currently Reading: Are Prisons Obsolete? (Angela Davis)

User avatar
The Xenopolis Confederation
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 8228
Founded: Aug 11, 2017
Anarchy

Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Fri May 17, 2019 11:45 pm

Rostavykhan wrote:
New yugoslavaia wrote:Hey, what do you guys thing of people saying the left can't meme?


Libs can't meme.

/leftypol/ is pretty dank tho

braise Stalin :333

Must resist bait.

Edit: I can't resist the bait because if I did I would get warned for trollnaming, I'm going to have to take the bait. /leftypol/ is not dank, they banned me immediately after my post claiming that Stalin and Hitler were equally bad. Also, Stalin should not be praised, he was a corrupt, bloodthirsty dictator. Authoritarianism is bad.
Last edited by The Xenopolis Confederation on Fri May 17, 2019 11:47 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Pro: Liberty, Liberalism, Capitalism, Secularism, Equal opportunity, Direct Democracy, Windows Chauvinism, Progressive Rock, LGBT+ Rights, Live and let live tbh.
Against: Authoritarianism, Traditionalism, Non-Market-Socialism, Laissez-Faire Capitalism, Autocracy, (A)Theocracy, Macs, "The ends justify the means," Collectivism in all its forms.
Economic: 0.5
Social: -8
I'm a 19 year old Australian who tries to think about things but fails, as we all do. I'll regret this in 2 years tops.

I think I have gender dysphoria so I'd prefer you use she/her pronouns on me. If not, he/him'll do.

User avatar
Petrolheadia
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 11356
Founded: May 02, 2015
New York Times Democracy

Postby Petrolheadia » Sat May 18, 2019 12:50 am

Liriena wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:Buzzfeed editor gives a crash course on why the triple parentheses became a thing, putting out a tweet saying his tweet about how people should kill white men was a joke and anyway he's white while pulling a "Hello fellow white people" shapeshifting Jew thing where he talks about white privilege and shared experience, need to reflect and so on, immediately shut down with people quoting him saying that as a Jew he doesn't have white privilege and isn't white.

Just saying.
It has its place in very specific circumstances, same as, "Hello fellow white people".

I wish the workers of Buzzfeed News would just seize the whole thing and turn it into a nice co-op that does nothing but journalism.

>buzzfeed
>journalism

That's like switching Volkswagen to sausage production.
Capitalism, single-payer healthcare, pro-choice, LGBT rights, progressive personal taxation, low corporate tax, pro-business law, welfare for those in need.
Nazism, edgism, dogmatic statements, most of Abrahamic-derived morality (esp. as law), welfare for those not in need.
We are not Albania and I am not Albanian, FFS!
Male, gearhead, classic rock fan, gamer, agnostic.
Not sure if left-libertarian, ex-libertarian or without a damn clue.
Where you can talk about cars!
"They're always saying I'm a Capitalist pig. I suppose I am, but, ah...it ah...it's good for my drumming, I think." - Keith Moon,
If a Porsche owner treats it like a bicycle, he's a gentleman. And if he prays to it, he's simply a moron. - Jan Nowicki.

User avatar
Epicurustan
Secretary
 
Posts: 33
Founded: May 17, 2019
Ex-Nation

Postby Epicurustan » Sat May 18, 2019 2:23 am

Rojava got some good chances but they got to industrialize imho.
LEGALIZED MARIJUANA 2020
Philosophy and Religion student. Epicurean, Taoist.
Economic Left/Right: -6.25 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.05

User avatar
Communal concils
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1974
Founded: Mar 04, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Communal concils » Sat May 18, 2019 5:44 am

Does anyone hope that Rojava gets reconquered by Syria.
Woke Leftist: Anti-Liberal Leftist

List of liberal or semi-liberal ideologies to avoid: "Left"-communism, trotskyism, Intersectionalism, anarchism,classical liberal, social liberalism and economic liberalism( conservatives are addicted to this)

Become anti-woke, and free yourself from the lies of mainstream corporate consumerist media.you should also become an anti-consumerist and anti-capitalist. Embrace socialism( the command economy is better.)
NOTE: Make Cultural Marxism a Real Thing !

User avatar
Petrolheadia
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 11356
Founded: May 02, 2015
New York Times Democracy

Postby Petrolheadia » Sat May 18, 2019 6:17 am

Epicurustan wrote:Rojava got some good chances but they got to industrialize imho.

What if they had a system in which they could get something in return for the product (no idea for name yet), and if enough customers give that, the good factories can take it and improve the product, and maybe even take over the bad ones and switch them to making the good product?
Capitalism, single-payer healthcare, pro-choice, LGBT rights, progressive personal taxation, low corporate tax, pro-business law, welfare for those in need.
Nazism, edgism, dogmatic statements, most of Abrahamic-derived morality (esp. as law), welfare for those not in need.
We are not Albania and I am not Albanian, FFS!
Male, gearhead, classic rock fan, gamer, agnostic.
Not sure if left-libertarian, ex-libertarian or without a damn clue.
Where you can talk about cars!
"They're always saying I'm a Capitalist pig. I suppose I am, but, ah...it ah...it's good for my drumming, I think." - Keith Moon,
If a Porsche owner treats it like a bicycle, he's a gentleman. And if he prays to it, he's simply a moron. - Jan Nowicki.

User avatar
Communist Zombie Horde
Diplomat
 
Posts: 944
Founded: Jan 04, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Sat May 18, 2019 7:14 am

Communal concils wrote:Does anyone hope that Rojava gets reconquered by Syria.

Yes- I hate rojava.
NS Parliament: Arnold Delbert; National People's Party

This nation is not entirely representative of my views. I've had some fun with the stats and I want to keep them that way.

User avatar
Communal concils
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1974
Founded: Mar 04, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Communal concils » Sat May 18, 2019 7:45 am

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
Communal concils wrote:Does anyone hope that Rojava gets reconquered by Syria.

Yes- I hate rojava.



I'll think that I might create a thread about that.
Woke Leftist: Anti-Liberal Leftist

List of liberal or semi-liberal ideologies to avoid: "Left"-communism, trotskyism, Intersectionalism, anarchism,classical liberal, social liberalism and economic liberalism( conservatives are addicted to this)

Become anti-woke, and free yourself from the lies of mainstream corporate consumerist media.you should also become an anti-consumerist and anti-capitalist. Embrace socialism( the command economy is better.)
NOTE: Make Cultural Marxism a Real Thing !

User avatar
The Xenopolis Confederation
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 8228
Founded: Aug 11, 2017
Anarchy

Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sat May 18, 2019 8:08 am

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
Communal concils wrote:Does anyone hope that Rojava gets reconquered by Syria.

Yes- I hate rojava.

You hate Rojava more than the Syrian government?
Pro: Liberty, Liberalism, Capitalism, Secularism, Equal opportunity, Direct Democracy, Windows Chauvinism, Progressive Rock, LGBT+ Rights, Live and let live tbh.
Against: Authoritarianism, Traditionalism, Non-Market-Socialism, Laissez-Faire Capitalism, Autocracy, (A)Theocracy, Macs, "The ends justify the means," Collectivism in all its forms.
Economic: 0.5
Social: -8
I'm a 19 year old Australian who tries to think about things but fails, as we all do. I'll regret this in 2 years tops.

I think I have gender dysphoria so I'd prefer you use she/her pronouns on me. If not, he/him'll do.

User avatar
Communal concils
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1974
Founded: Mar 04, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Communal concils » Sat May 18, 2019 8:45 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:Yes- I hate rojava.

You hate Rojava more than the Syrian government?


I know that I rather the official Syrian government over that territory.
Woke Leftist: Anti-Liberal Leftist

List of liberal or semi-liberal ideologies to avoid: "Left"-communism, trotskyism, Intersectionalism, anarchism,classical liberal, social liberalism and economic liberalism( conservatives are addicted to this)

Become anti-woke, and free yourself from the lies of mainstream corporate consumerist media.you should also become an anti-consumerist and anti-capitalist. Embrace socialism( the command economy is better.)
NOTE: Make Cultural Marxism a Real Thing !

User avatar
The Xenopolis Confederation
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 8228
Founded: Aug 11, 2017
Anarchy

Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sat May 18, 2019 8:47 am

Communal concils wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:You hate Rojava more than the Syrian government?


I know that I rather the official Syrian government over that territory.

And why is that?
Pro: Liberty, Liberalism, Capitalism, Secularism, Equal opportunity, Direct Democracy, Windows Chauvinism, Progressive Rock, LGBT+ Rights, Live and let live tbh.
Against: Authoritarianism, Traditionalism, Non-Market-Socialism, Laissez-Faire Capitalism, Autocracy, (A)Theocracy, Macs, "The ends justify the means," Collectivism in all its forms.
Economic: 0.5
Social: -8
I'm a 19 year old Australian who tries to think about things but fails, as we all do. I'll regret this in 2 years tops.

I think I have gender dysphoria so I'd prefer you use she/her pronouns on me. If not, he/him'll do.

User avatar
Communal concils
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1974
Founded: Mar 04, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Communal concils » Sat May 18, 2019 8:51 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Communal concils wrote:
I know that I rather the official Syrian government over that territory.

And why is that?



Simply because the nation has many aspects that rojava has. Women can go into the military, minorities are not discriminated, and it's secular.

However, Syria is a threat to Neo-conservativism, and it does have a more realistic ideology.
Woke Leftist: Anti-Liberal Leftist

List of liberal or semi-liberal ideologies to avoid: "Left"-communism, trotskyism, Intersectionalism, anarchism,classical liberal, social liberalism and economic liberalism( conservatives are addicted to this)

Become anti-woke, and free yourself from the lies of mainstream corporate consumerist media.you should also become an anti-consumerist and anti-capitalist. Embrace socialism( the command economy is better.)
NOTE: Make Cultural Marxism a Real Thing !

User avatar
The Xenopolis Confederation
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 8228
Founded: Aug 11, 2017
Anarchy

Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sat May 18, 2019 8:55 am

Communal concils wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:And why is that?



Simply because the nation has many aspects that rojava has. Women can go into the military, minorities are not discriminated, and it's secular.

However, Syria is a threat to Neo-conservativism, and it does have a more realistic ideology.

"More realistic" doesn't equal "better." If it did, you would have simply said "better." So you're left with the only reason for supporting Assad over Rojava being... anti-imperialism. Opposing US intervention is all well and good but doing so does non necessitate personally preferring dictators over democracies.
Pro: Liberty, Liberalism, Capitalism, Secularism, Equal opportunity, Direct Democracy, Windows Chauvinism, Progressive Rock, LGBT+ Rights, Live and let live tbh.
Against: Authoritarianism, Traditionalism, Non-Market-Socialism, Laissez-Faire Capitalism, Autocracy, (A)Theocracy, Macs, "The ends justify the means," Collectivism in all its forms.
Economic: 0.5
Social: -8
I'm a 19 year old Australian who tries to think about things but fails, as we all do. I'll regret this in 2 years tops.

I think I have gender dysphoria so I'd prefer you use she/her pronouns on me. If not, he/him'll do.

User avatar
Communist Zombie Horde
Diplomat
 
Posts: 944
Founded: Jan 04, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Sat May 18, 2019 8:59 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:Yes- I hate rojava.

You hate Rojava more than the Syrian government?

Thats a hard one. I would say rojava is worse- not by much. Us bombing them is the best solution.
NS Parliament: Arnold Delbert; National People's Party

This nation is not entirely representative of my views. I've had some fun with the stats and I want to keep them that way.

User avatar
The Xenopolis Confederation
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 8228
Founded: Aug 11, 2017
Anarchy

Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sat May 18, 2019 9:07 am

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:You hate Rojava more than the Syrian government?

Thats a hard one. I would say rojava is worse- not by much. Us bombing them is the best solution.

Why is Rojava worse? And why does Rojava need to be bombed?
Pro: Liberty, Liberalism, Capitalism, Secularism, Equal opportunity, Direct Democracy, Windows Chauvinism, Progressive Rock, LGBT+ Rights, Live and let live tbh.
Against: Authoritarianism, Traditionalism, Non-Market-Socialism, Laissez-Faire Capitalism, Autocracy, (A)Theocracy, Macs, "The ends justify the means," Collectivism in all its forms.
Economic: 0.5
Social: -8
I'm a 19 year old Australian who tries to think about things but fails, as we all do. I'll regret this in 2 years tops.

I think I have gender dysphoria so I'd prefer you use she/her pronouns on me. If not, he/him'll do.

User avatar
Communal concils
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1974
Founded: Mar 04, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Communal concils » Sat May 18, 2019 9:26 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Communal concils wrote:

Simply because the nation has many aspects that rojava has. Women can go into the military, minorities are not discriminated, and it's secular.

However, Syria is a threat to Neo-conservativism, and it does have a more realistic ideology.

"More realistic" doesn't equal "better." If it did, you would have simply said "better." So you're left with the only reason for supporting Assad over Rojava being... anti-imperialism. Opposing US intervention is all well and good but doing so does non necessitate personally preferring dictators over democracies.



well, there are allegations that Rojava kills dissidence, so I see this state as a big contradiction. There are Arabs, Christians and Assyrians that don't want to live under the Kurds, so it's democracy is against the will of others.
Another reason for my support of Assad is that he has done more harm to ISIS than rojava. Not only that, he obviously does not ignore rebel groups that use the word democracy as a shield from claims of jihadism.
Last edited by Communal concils on Sat May 18, 2019 9:27 am, edited 1 time in total.
Woke Leftist: Anti-Liberal Leftist

List of liberal or semi-liberal ideologies to avoid: "Left"-communism, trotskyism, Intersectionalism, anarchism,classical liberal, social liberalism and economic liberalism( conservatives are addicted to this)

Become anti-woke, and free yourself from the lies of mainstream corporate consumerist media.you should also become an anti-consumerist and anti-capitalist. Embrace socialism( the command economy is better.)
NOTE: Make Cultural Marxism a Real Thing !

User avatar
Communist Zombie Horde
Diplomat
 
Posts: 944
Founded: Jan 04, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Sat May 18, 2019 9:26 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:Thats a hard one. I would say rojava is worse- not by much. Us bombing them is the best solution.

Why is Rojava worse? And why does Rojava need to be bombed?

I am saying bomb syria with planes.
NS Parliament: Arnold Delbert; National People's Party

This nation is not entirely representative of my views. I've had some fun with the stats and I want to keep them that way.

User avatar
Liriena
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 59873
Founded: Nov 19, 2010
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Liriena » Sat May 18, 2019 9:27 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:Thats a hard one. I would say rojava is worse- not by much. Us bombing them is the best solution.

Why is Rojava worse? And why does Rojava need to be bombed?

You can't have libertarian leftists doing libertarian leftists things like building a democratic confederation with a democratized economy, gender equality and some early openness towards LGBT+ people in the Middle East. It's madness, I tell you!
be gay do crime


I am:
A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist
An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
cynicism


⚧Copy and paste this in your sig
if you passed biology and know
gender and sex aren't the same thing.⚧

I disown most of my previous posts

User avatar
Liriena
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 59873
Founded: Nov 19, 2010
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Liriena » Sat May 18, 2019 9:27 am

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Why is Rojava worse? And why does Rojava need to be bombed?

I am saying bomb syria with planes.

Whyyyy?
be gay do crime


I am:
A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist
An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
cynicism


⚧Copy and paste this in your sig
if you passed biology and know
gender and sex aren't the same thing.⚧

I disown most of my previous posts

User avatar
Communist Zombie Horde
Diplomat
 
Posts: 944
Founded: Jan 04, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Sat May 18, 2019 9:29 am

Liriena wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:I am saying bomb syria with planes.

Whyyyy?

Because they are bad and can’t do good things. There are no good factions in Syria.
NS Parliament: Arnold Delbert; National People's Party

This nation is not entirely representative of my views. I've had some fun with the stats and I want to keep them that way.

User avatar
Proctopeo
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 11801
Founded: Sep 26, 2016
Anarchy

Postby Proctopeo » Sat May 18, 2019 9:29 am

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
Liriena wrote:Whyyyy?

Because they are bad and can’t do good things. There are no good factions in Syria.

counterpoint: give Syria to the Assyrians
ec 4.38 soc -3.95
I don't like most tankies/red fascists
China Lied, People Died.
6500 Year-Old Soomer
RIP the LWDT and RWDT, may their legacy live on

User avatar
Communist Zombie Horde
Diplomat
 
Posts: 944
Founded: Jan 04, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Sat May 18, 2019 9:33 am

Proctopeo wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:Because they are bad and can’t do good things. There are no good factions in Syria.

counterpoint: give Syria to the Assyrians

The us would need to help the. fix syria.
NS Parliament: Arnold Delbert; National People's Party

This nation is not entirely representative of my views. I've had some fun with the stats and I want to keep them that way.

User avatar
Communal concils
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1974
Founded: Mar 04, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Communal concils » Sat May 18, 2019 9:33 am

Liriena wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Why is Rojava worse? And why does Rojava need to be bombed?

You can't have libertarian leftists doing libertarian leftists things like building a democratic confederation with a democratized economy, gender equality and some early openness towards LGBT+ people in the Middle East. It's madness, I tell you!



There is nothing libertarian about rojava. They only claim to support those things.



Honestly, Rojava barely did any of those on a mass scale.
Last edited by Communal concils on Sat May 18, 2019 9:35 am, edited 1 time in total.
Woke Leftist: Anti-Liberal Leftist

List of liberal or semi-liberal ideologies to avoid: "Left"-communism, trotskyism, Intersectionalism, anarchism,classical liberal, social liberalism and economic liberalism( conservatives are addicted to this)

Become anti-woke, and free yourself from the lies of mainstream corporate consumerist media.you should also become an anti-consumerist and anti-capitalist. Embrace socialism( the command economy is better.)
NOTE: Make Cultural Marxism a Real Thing !

PreviousNext

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to General

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Allenstadt, Anime and Hentaii, Area 6-Z, Aureumterra, Bienenhalde, Corrian, Czechostan, Debate Proxy 1, Greed and Death, Hunzali, Jedi Council, Kathol Rift, Liriena, New Cobastheia, Parxland, Poltica, Saiwania, Salus Maior, San Lumen, Soiled fruit roll ups, Soto Metown Ale, The Black Forrest, The Campbell Nation, The Greater Ohio Valley, Xanthal

Advertisement

Remove ads