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Thoughts on HOTD Episode Ten: "The Black Queen"

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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Thu May 16, 2019 6:45 am

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Have you ever considered that Kings Landing people, have suffered more then the noble house, given that they have been starved, religiously bullied by the faith militant, dealt with a siege, and used as pawns in the schemes of nobles.

Oh, and burnt.

Kings Landing gets Sacked by the Lannisters in Roberts Rebellion
City gets assaulted by a Baratheon Army led by King Stannis in the battle of Blackwater bay and a bit of it gets burnt down/fucked up
City is starving to death until the Tyrells show up
City falls prey to rampant zealotry and bullshit with the Sparrows and the power struggle between the Tyrells and Lannisters
Equivalent of the Vatican gets fucking nuked with tens of thousands dying fiery deaths
They all flee into the city because of the targaryen invasion and then the city gets wiped off the face of the earth in the inevitable attack on the city by Daenerys



Think thats everything, yeah they went through a lot of fucking shit

They're probably more badass then Dany at this point, if they have survived even this. Makes you wonder why they didnt conscript them, if they can survive all of that. Give 'em a weapon and their are unbeatable. Had Joffrey lived longer he would say, "Only a fool would meet the citizens of Kings Landing in open city streets."
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Thu May 16, 2019 6:46 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:
Have you ever considered that Kings Landing people, have suffered more then the noble house, given that they have been starved, religiously bullied by the faith militant, dealt with a siege, and used as pawns in the schemes of nobles.

Oh, and burnt.

Kings Landing gets Sacked by the Lannisters in Roberts Rebellion
City gets assaulted by a Baratheon Army led by King Stannis in the battle of Blackwater bay and a bit of it gets burnt down/fucked up
City is starving to death until the Tyrells show up
City falls prey to rampant zealotry and bullshit with the Sparrows and the power struggle between the Tyrells and Lannisters
Equivalent of the Vatican gets fucking nuked with tens of thousands dying fiery deaths
They all flee into the city because of the targaryen invasion and then the city gets wiped off the face of the earth in the inevitable attack on the city by Daenerys



Think thats everything, yeah they went through a lot of fucking shit

Yeah, but no more tears, only dreams now.
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Postby Tarsonis » Thu May 16, 2019 6:47 am

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
I strongly dislike the inhabitants of KL

if it was another town, I'd consider the argument

Have you ever considered that Kings Landing people, have suffered more then the noble house, given that they have been starved, religiously bullied by the faith militant, dealt with a siege, and used as pawns in the schemes of nobles.

Oh, and burnt.



Why anyone stays there is beyond me. Plenty of other keeps to move to, other lords to serve.
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Postby Tarsonis » Thu May 16, 2019 6:48 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Kings Landing gets Sacked by the Lannisters in Roberts Rebellion
City gets assaulted by a Baratheon Army led by King Stannis in the battle of Blackwater bay and a bit of it gets burnt down/fucked up
City is starving to death until the Tyrells show up
City falls prey to rampant zealotry and bullshit with the Sparrows and the power struggle between the Tyrells and Lannisters
Equivalent of the Vatican gets fucking nuked with tens of thousands dying fiery deaths
They all flee into the city because of the targaryen invasion and then the city gets wiped off the face of the earth in the inevitable attack on the city by Daenerys



Think thats everything, yeah they went through a lot of fucking shit

Yeah, but no more tears, only dreams now.


They've seen things you people wouldn't believe
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Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Thucydides: “The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.”
1 Corinthians 5:12 "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?"
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
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Postby Ifreann » Thu May 16, 2019 6:51 am

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Kings Landing gets Sacked by the Lannisters in Roberts Rebellion
City gets assaulted by a Baratheon Army led by King Stannis in the battle of Blackwater bay and a bit of it gets burnt down/fucked up
City is starving to death until the Tyrells show up
City falls prey to rampant zealotry and bullshit with the Sparrows and the power struggle between the Tyrells and Lannisters
Equivalent of the Vatican gets fucking nuked with tens of thousands dying fiery deaths
They all flee into the city because of the targaryen invasion and then the city gets wiped off the face of the earth in the inevitable attack on the city by Daenerys



Think thats everything, yeah they went through a lot of fucking shit

They're probably more badass then Dany at this point, if they have survived even this. Makes you wonder why they didnt conscript them, if they can survive all of that. Give 'em a weapon and their are unbeatable. Had Joffrey lived longer he would say, "Only a fool would meet the citizens of Kings Landing in open city streets."

The people of King's Landing ate the fucking High Septon.

They ate the rich.

More like Comrade's Landing.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Thu May 16, 2019 6:51 am

Tarsonis wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:
Have you ever considered that Kings Landing people, have suffered more then the noble house, given that they have been starved, religiously bullied by the faith militant, dealt with a siege, and used as pawns in the schemes of nobles.

Oh, and burnt.



Why anyone stays there is beyond me. Plenty of other keeps to move to, other lords to serve.

Just go to Dorne. Nothing happens in dorne unless your in a wheelchair or on a boat.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu May 16, 2019 6:52 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:

Why anyone stays there is beyond me. Plenty of other keeps to move to, other lords to serve.

Just go to Dorne. Nothing happens in dorne unless your in a wheelchair or on a boat.

Nice and warm. Lovely sandy beaches. Very welcoming locals, but be very careful about leaving your drink unattended.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu May 16, 2019 7:00 am

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
I strongly dislike the inhabitants of KL

if it was another town, I'd consider the argument

Have you ever considered that Kings Landing people, have suffered more then the noble house, given that they have been starved, religiously bullied by the faith militant, dealt with a siege, and used as pawns in the schemes of nobles.

Oh, and burnt.


all of which they seemed to have deserved (based on the conduct of the people as shown on the screen)

KL is full of terrible people
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Thu May 16, 2019 7:02 am

Any time IM bangs on about honour again and doign the right thing, just link the posts where he would be fine with a city full of a million people being slaughtered because he doesnt like them.
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Postby Andsed » Thu May 16, 2019 7:03 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:
Have you ever considered that Kings Landing people, have suffered more then the noble house, given that they have been starved, religiously bullied by the faith militant, dealt with a siege, and used as pawns in the schemes of nobles.

Oh, and burnt.


all of which they seemed to have deserved (based on the conduct of the people as shown on the screen)

KL is full of terrible people

There is basically nothing supporting that bullshit.
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Postby Tarsonis » Thu May 16, 2019 7:05 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:

Why anyone stays there is beyond me. Plenty of other keeps to move to, other lords to serve.

Just go to Dorne. Nothing happens in dorne unless your in a wheelchair or on a boat.


And the women are gorgeous
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu May 16, 2019 7:07 am

Andsed wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
all of which they seemed to have deserved (based on the conduct of the people as shown on the screen)

KL is full of terrible people

There is basically nothing supporting that bullshit.


the people of KL have consistently been depicted in the show as a bunch of filthy backstabbing peasants that operate in large crowds

Basically humanity at its very worst

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Thu May 16, 2019 7:09 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Andsed wrote:
There is basically nothing supporting that bullshit.


the people of KL have consistently been depicted in the show as a bunch of filthy backstabbing peasants that operate in large crowds

Basically humanity at its very worst

How are they backstabbing?

Let me guess, is it when they throw shit at the people who have made their lives absolute fucking hell?

And yes IM... peasants... in a medieval society.. tend to be filthy and operate in large crowds in a city... because cities have large crows of people... in case you didnt know.
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Postby Andsed » Thu May 16, 2019 7:09 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Andsed wrote:
There is basically nothing supporting that bullshit.


the people of KL have consistently been depicted in the show as a bunch of filthy backstabbing peasants that operate in large crowds

Basically humanity at its very worst

No they fucking have not. They have been shown to be pretty normal people who endure starvation and massacres and sometimes lash out against the nobles who cause all that unnecessary suffering.
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Postby Tarsonis » Thu May 16, 2019 7:10 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Andsed wrote:
There is basically nothing supporting that bullshit.


the people of KL have consistently been depicted in the show as a bunch of filthy backstabbing peasants that operate in large crowds

Basically humanity at its very worst



If you were ever a King you'd single handedly start your country's version of the French Revolution.
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Thucydides: “The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.”
1 Corinthians 5:12 "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?"
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu May 16, 2019 7:11 am

Andsed wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
the people of KL have consistently been depicted in the show as a bunch of filthy backstabbing peasants that operate in large crowds

Basically humanity at its very worst

No they fucking have not. They have been shown to be pretty normal people who endure starvation and massacres and sometimes lash out against the nobles who cause all that unnecessary suffering.


I'm not sure we've been watching the same show

the same one where the people of KL keep operating as big mobs that heap misery on whoever ends up on the wrong side of the political games; are incapable of critical thought, and display many of the most despicable tendencies of IRL crowds

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Postby Andsed » Thu May 16, 2019 7:11 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Andsed wrote:
No they fucking have not. They have been shown to be pretty normal people who endure starvation and massacres and sometimes lash out against the nobles who cause all that unnecessary suffering.


I'm not sure we've been watching the same show

the same one where the people of KL keep operating as big mobs that heap misery on whoever ends up on the wrong side of the political games; are incapable of critical thought, and display many of the most despicable tendencies of IRL crowds

What the fuck are you even talking about? Give me one example of this.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu May 16, 2019 7:12 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:
Have you ever considered that Kings Landing people, have suffered more then the noble house, given that they have been starved, religiously bullied by the faith militant, dealt with a siege, and used as pawns in the schemes of nobles.

Oh, and burnt.


all of which they seemed to have deserved (based on the conduct of the people as shown on the screen)

KL is full of terrible people

Lord Gendry Baratheon and Ser Davos Seaworth. Terrible people.
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Postby Tarsonis » Thu May 16, 2019 7:12 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Andsed wrote:
No they fucking have not. They have been shown to be pretty normal people who endure starvation and massacres and sometimes lash out against the nobles who cause all that unnecessary suffering.


I'm not sure we've been watching the same show

the same one where the people of KL keep operating as big mobs that heap misery on whoever ends up on the wrong side of the political games; are incapable of critical thought, and display many of the most despicable tendencies of IRL crowds


So modern americans?
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Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Thucydides: “The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.”
1 Corinthians 5:12 "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?"
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu May 16, 2019 7:12 am

Tarsonis wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
I'm not sure we've been watching the same show

the same one where the people of KL keep operating as big mobs that heap misery on whoever ends up on the wrong side of the political games; are incapable of critical thought, and display many of the most despicable tendencies of IRL crowds


So modern americans?


they've done nothing, as a group of civilians, to really elicit much sympathy from me as an audience member

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Thu May 16, 2019 7:13 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Andsed wrote:
No they fucking have not. They have been shown to be pretty normal people who endure starvation and massacres and sometimes lash out against the nobles who cause all that unnecessary suffering.


I'm not sure we've been watching the same show

the same one where the people of KL keep operating as big mobs that heap misery on whoever ends up on the wrong side of the political games; are incapable of critical thought, and display many of the most despicable tendencies of IRL crowds

Oh you most certainly have not been watching the same show as the rest of us considering how wrong you are reading some of the themes and plot lines of the show and the books and taking the completely wrong shit from it.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Thu May 16, 2019 7:14 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
So modern americans?


they've done nothing, as a group of civilians, to really elicit much sympathy from me as an audience member

Everyone here knows you only hate them because they were against the lannisters.
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Postby Tarsonis » Thu May 16, 2019 7:14 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
So modern americans?


they've done nothing, as a group of civilians, to really elicit much sympathy from me as an audience member


From what I've been reading I'm starting to imagine sympathy for other people wasn't one of your strong suits to begin with.
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Thucydides: “The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.”
1 Corinthians 5:12 "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?"
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
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Postby Andsed » Thu May 16, 2019 7:15 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
So modern americans?


they've done nothing, as a group of civilians, to really elicit much sympathy from me as an audience member

How about the fact that they are normal people who have not done anything wrong and have to endure starvation and massacres caused by petty nobles and their squabbling?
I do be tired


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Postby Ifreann » Thu May 16, 2019 7:15 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Andsed wrote:
No they fucking have not. They have been shown to be pretty normal people who endure starvation and massacres and sometimes lash out against the nobles who cause all that unnecessary suffering.


I'm not sure we've been watching the same show

the same one where the people of KL keep operating as big mobs that heap misery on whoever ends up on the wrong side of the political games; are incapable of critical thought, and display many of the most despicable tendencies of IRL crowds

King's Landing, we've been told repeatedly, has a population of one million. It's a big city. Any time you see a crowd of a thousand people in a King's Landing scene, there's a thousand times as many people elsewhere in the city, going about their business.
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