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Gun Control n Stuff - Only 2 Options Pick Carefully

If my neighbors dog craps on my lawn I have a god-given right to respond with the use of force up to and including recreational nuclear warheads
643
50%
Guns are literally the embodiment of all evil ever created by mankind, and when the last gun is finally destroyed the entire world will be at peace
210
16%
I'm lame and choose not to use a poll with wild stereotypes about both sides because I'm lame
424
33%
 
Total votes : 1277

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Postby The Chuck » Mon May 13, 2019 7:39 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Gun Manufacturers wrote:
Are we talking about .30 caliber quivers?


Nobody needs an assault bow!

#Uklolwut


... I literally just watched this video from JeorgSprave... xD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTut3SPhQ5k
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Mon May 13, 2019 7:41 pm

The Chuck wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Nobody needs an assault bow!

#Uklolwut


... I literally just watched this video from JeorgSprave... xD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTut3SPhQ5k


So.. he is the reason why the UK is trying to ban assault bows?

Damn you and your cool ass inventions sir!

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Postby The Chuck » Mon May 13, 2019 7:43 pm

Kowani wrote:
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It isn't actually only the corporations. An issue is the doctors over prescribing opiods for anything and everything. Hell, last year in H.S. I put a screw gun through my hand working on the set of a play and had to go to the hospital. While there, I got a couple stitches and the pain was moderate but the doctor prescribed me Oxycodone 30mg tablets. Thankfully my brother is a researcher and immediately told me not to get the prescription filled and gave me a couple NSAIDs to take instead. Even if the medical field reduces prescribing these prescriptions, to many people are hooked so it will keep the cycle rolling. People will continue to over-medicate even when given instructions and becoming addicted. As such, illicit trade of medicine/drugs will continue and criminal organizations will continue to exist which will result in weapons and arms falling into the wrong hands.

It is an odd partnership between doctors and corporations. Case in Point

Now, as far as the stuff you said about those who are already hooked, I’m thinking of more rehabilitation programs.
Of course, one does have to deal with the crime syndicates somehow.


Rehab is a very good option but unfortunately many people who are hooked have addictive personalities. The criminal organizations will continue to get opiods into the US/synthesis it here. I agree with you that we do need to do something about the criminal syndicates but what? Turn our nation into a police state? (which will cause many 2nd Amendment supporters to go ape shit) Remove opiod prescriptions all together to patients of hospitals? It's a terrible but interesting conundrum we're in currently.
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Postby Kowani » Mon May 13, 2019 7:45 pm

The Chuck wrote:
Kowani wrote:It is an odd partnership between doctors and corporations. Case in Point

Now, as far as the stuff you said about those who are already hooked, I’m thinking of more rehabilitation programs.
Of course, one does have to deal with the crime syndicates somehow.


Rehab is a very good option but unfortunately many people who are hooked have addictive personalities. The criminal organizations will continue to get opiods into the US/synthesis it here. I agree with you that we do need to do something about the criminal syndicates but what? Turn our nation into a police state? (which will cause many 2nd Amendment supporters to go ape shit) Remove opiod prescriptions all together to patients of hospitals? It's a terrible but interesting conundrum we're in currently.

Work with Mexico?
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Postby The Chuck » Mon May 13, 2019 7:48 pm

Kowani wrote:
The Chuck wrote:
Rehab is a very good option but unfortunately many people who are hooked have addictive personalities. The criminal organizations will continue to get opiods into the US/synthesis it here. I agree with you that we do need to do something about the criminal syndicates but what? Turn our nation into a police state? (which will cause many 2nd Amendment supporters to go ape shit) Remove opiod prescriptions all together to patients of hospitals? It's a terrible but interesting conundrum we're in currently.

Work with Mexico?


Unfortunately it isn't just Mexico... The Medellin Cartel is founded down in Colombia... actually hell. Go watch this movie and learn about Barry Seal. It's ironic since I actually am impressed with what he was able to accomplish but he's a direct reason why we're in this pickle...
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Postby Kowani » Mon May 13, 2019 7:51 pm

The Chuck wrote:
Kowani wrote:Work with Mexico?


Unfortunately it isn't just Mexico... The Medellin Cartel is founded down in Colombia... actually hell. Go watch this movie and learn about Barry Seal. It's ironic since I actually am impressed with what he was able to accomplish but he's a direct reason why we're in this pickle...

Back to that legalization thing, then. The market’ll drive down costs and lesson violence.
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Postby The Chuck » Mon May 13, 2019 7:52 pm

Kowani wrote:
The Chuck wrote:
Unfortunately it isn't just Mexico... The Medellin Cartel is founded down in Colombia... actually hell. Go watch this movie and learn about Barry Seal. It's ironic since I actually am impressed with what he was able to accomplish but he's a direct reason why we're in this pickle...

Back to that legalization thing, then. The market’ll drive down costs and lesson violence.


In a perfect world yes... in our world... probably not. The criminal organizations will want to get the biggest slice of the market as possible when it becomes legalized and that means starting territory wars with other gangs which will result in a spike in violence (most likely from what I've seen).
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Postby Farnhamia » Mon May 13, 2019 7:53 pm

The Chuck wrote:
Kowani wrote:Back to that legalization thing, then. The market’ll drive down costs and lesson violence.


In a perfect world yes... in our world... probably not. The criminal organizations will want to get the biggest slice of the market as possible when it becomes legalized and that means starting territory wars with other gangs which will result in a spike in violence (most likely from what I've seen).

Fascinating. Totally off-topic, but still fascinating.
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Postby Kowani » Mon May 13, 2019 7:55 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
The Chuck wrote:
In a perfect world yes... in our world... probably not. The criminal organizations will want to get the biggest slice of the market as possible when it becomes legalized and that means starting territory wars with other gangs which will result in a spike in violence (most likely from what I've seen).

Fascinating. Totally off-topic, but still fascinating.

Meh. I disagree that it’s off topic, but if you say so…
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Postby The Chuck » Mon May 13, 2019 7:55 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
The Chuck wrote:
In a perfect world yes... in our world... probably not. The criminal organizations will want to get the biggest slice of the market as possible when it becomes legalized and that means starting territory wars with other gangs which will result in a spike in violence (most likely from what I've seen).

Fascinating. Totally off-topic, but still fascinating.


Sorry Farn, we'll drag it back on the gun control topic. Have a good evening :)

Kowani, if you want to, I'd be fine with continuing this discussion in TGs if you have the space :)
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Postby Farnhamia » Mon May 13, 2019 7:56 pm

The Chuck wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Fascinating. Totally off-topic, but still fascinating.


Sorry Farn, we'll drag it back on the gun control topic. Have a good evening :)

Kowani, if you want to, I'd be fine with continuing this discussion in TGs if you have the space :)

Thank you. Check for an existing thread on the opiod crisis or start a new one.
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Postby Kowani » Mon May 13, 2019 7:57 pm

The Chuck wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Fascinating. Totally off-topic, but still fascinating.


Sorry Farn, we'll drag it back on the gun control topic. Have a good evening :)

Kowani, if you want to, I'd be fine with continuing this discussion in TGs if you have the space :)

I’ve got the space, don’t worry. :p
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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Mon May 13, 2019 8:51 pm

And thus, America needs a wall. Because reasons.
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Postby The Chuck » Mon May 13, 2019 8:54 pm

I'll hopefully get a new thread up for the continued discussion about opioids and gun control within a 72 hour timespan from now for those of you who were interested.

Anyways, since it was thought that that discussion was off topic, back to "on topic" material from here on out.

As many of you who frequent this thread know, a while back I mentioned how the Missouri state government is working on implementing Missouri House Bill 575. This bill, which is currently in the State Senate somewhere, would legalize campus carry for University designated "Campus Protection Officers" which would need to take training/etc. but could be essentially any employee staff. The bill does contain a couple hangers in it but what is NSG's thoughts on this bill? The 10 page [Perfected] variation of HB 575 can be found HERE.

I personally support the bill and look forward to it getting through the senate since we have Governor Mike Parsons who will most likely sign it into law. The hangers on the bill range from modifying existing insurance related expenses occurred at Universities to restricting the number of years a university can force students to live in On campus residency.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue May 14, 2019 5:13 am

Jakker wrote:
Tillydrone wrote:tbh, what are you gonna do with a suppressor if the guns that use them are pretty much banned? Shove it up your assigned trashcan?


Given your warning history with your other nation, *** 24-hour ban for Flamebaiting ***Note that this ban applies to you the player and not just this nation.

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Postby Shanhwa » Tue May 14, 2019 5:52 am

The Chuck wrote:Missouri... Second most gun murders to Louisiana... Dammit...


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Postby The Emerald Legion » Tue May 14, 2019 6:48 am

Hurtful Thoughts wrote:And thus, America needs a wall. Because reasons.


Why wouldn't we need a wall? Doesn't this look amazing?

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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Tue May 14, 2019 7:07 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Hurtful Thoughts wrote:And thus, America needs a wall. Because reasons.


Why wouldn't we need a wall? Doesn't this look amazing?

Image


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Postby Shanhwa » Tue May 14, 2019 7:12 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Hurtful Thoughts wrote:And thus, America needs a wall. Because reasons.


Why wouldn't we need a wall? Doesn't this look amazing?

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Postby Chernoslavia » Tue May 14, 2019 6:24 pm

Tankmen wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
Yes, but that might change if y'all keep voting for the people you think will give you free stuff.

I'm still not a fucking liberal, dudester.


Never said you were and it doesn't matter, left or far-left. You will ironically vote for the same people who will want to see you disarmed. I've seen it happen many times before.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Tue May 14, 2019 6:27 pm

Jakker wrote:
Tillydrone wrote:tbh, what are you gonna do with a suppressor if the guns that use them are pretty much banned? Shove it up your assigned trashcan?


Given your warning history with your other nation, *** 24-hour ban for Flamebaiting ***Note that this ban applies to you the player and not just this nation.


That's not flamebaiting.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Tue May 14, 2019 8:33 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Gun Manufacturers wrote:
Are we talking about .30 caliber quivers?


Nobody needs an assault bow!

#Uklolwut


Do those assault bows shoot 30 caliber clipazines with a shoulder thingy that goes up? :eek: :lol:

How about assault nunchakus?
Arizona Repeals Decades old Ban on Nunchakus (Nunchucks)
Not really firearm related, but nunchakus still fall under the 2nd Amendment and this is a good thing and they should never had been banned in the first place.
On Friday, May 10, Governor Ducey signed SB 1291, repealing the decades old law that banned possession of nunchakus. We thank everyone who contacted on the Governor about SB 1291. You made a difference.

The nunchakus ban was so broadly written that in Arizona it is technically a Class 4 felony to be in possession of a jump rope (“two or more…. handles, connected by a rope….”). Arizona was one of only four states, along with California, Massachusetts, and New York, that banned nunchakus. In 2018, New York's ban was struck down in federal court as a violation of the Second Amendment.

The repeal of the nunchakus ban will go into effect 90 days after the current legislative session ends. The target for ending a legislative session is 100 days from the start. That date was Tuesday, April 23. Right now, the legislature is haggling over the state budget. We don't expect them to be finished anytime soon.

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Figures and quite typical that california, massachusettes and new york would ban something like these, but Arizona?

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Postby Chernoslavia » Tue May 14, 2019 8:48 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Nobody needs an assault bow!

#Uklolwut


Do those assault bows shoot 30 caliber clipazines with a shoulder thingy that goes up? :eek: :lol:

How about assault nunchakus?
Arizona Repeals Decades old Ban on Nunchakus (Nunchucks)
Not really firearm related, but nunchakus still fall under the 2nd Amendment and this is a good thing and they should never had been banned in the first place.
On Friday, May 10, Governor Ducey signed SB 1291, repealing the decades old law that banned possession of nunchakus. We thank everyone who contacted on the Governor about SB 1291. You made a difference.

The nunchakus ban was so broadly written that in Arizona it is technically a Class 4 felony to be in possession of a jump rope (“two or more…. handles, connected by a rope….”). Arizona was one of only four states, along with California, Massachusetts, and New York, that banned nunchakus. In 2018, New York's ban was struck down in federal court as a violation of the Second Amendment.

The repeal of the nunchakus ban will go into effect 90 days after the current legislative session ends. The target for ending a legislative session is 100 days from the start. That date was Tuesday, April 23. Right now, the legislature is haggling over the state budget. We don't expect them to be finished anytime soon.

:clap:

Figures and quite typical that california, massachusettes and new york would ban something like these, but Arizona?


Arms in the US Constitution is not limited to just firearms. Good on Arizona.
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Postby Shanhwa » Wed May 15, 2019 10:45 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Nobody needs an assault bow!

#Uklolwut


Do those assault bows shoot 30 caliber clipazines with a shoulder thingy that goes up? :eek: :lol:

How about assault nunchakus?
Arizona Repeals Decades old Ban on Nunchakus (Nunchucks)
Not really firearm related, but nunchakus still fall under the 2nd Amendment and this is a good thing and they should never had been banned in the first place.
On Friday, May 10, Governor Ducey signed SB 1291, repealing the decades old law that banned possession of nunchakus. We thank everyone who contacted on the Governor about SB 1291. You made a difference.

The nunchakus ban was so broadly written that in Arizona it is technically a Class 4 felony to be in possession of a jump rope (“two or more…. handles, connected by a rope….”). Arizona was one of only four states, along with California, Massachusetts, and New York, that banned nunchakus. In 2018, New York's ban was struck down in federal court as a violation of the Second Amendment.

The repeal of the nunchakus ban will go into effect 90 days after the current legislative session ends. The target for ending a legislative session is 100 days from the start. That date was Tuesday, April 23. Right now, the legislature is haggling over the state budget. We don't expect them to be finished anytime soon.

:clap:

Figures and quite typical that california, massachusettes and new york would ban something like these, but Arizona?


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Postby Tarsonis » Wed May 15, 2019 10:56 am

Tillydrone wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:For the life of me, I have never, ever understood why suppressors were added to the stupid nfa. Pretty much every country where firearms are restricted heavily, suppressors are easily bought and sold like one would buy a beer. Bad American politicians, bad for making a safety device a restricted part.

tbh, what are you gonna do with a suppressor if the guns that use them are pretty much banned? Shove it up your assigned trashcan?


Suppressors are attachable to almost all firearms.
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