Hundreds quarantined for measles in 2 CA universities.

[The Black Forrest]

Babies, young children, the elderly, people with autoimmune diseases…

I thought vaccines were given to babies

Noooo. Their little bodies don't have the immunity for it. It can cause death or life long problems.

In my time it was 4 to 6 years.

Now I read the first is 12 to 15 months and a follow up at 4 to 6.

[Chernoslavia]

Cool story? Most of us still believe in body autonomy.

Body autonomy means killing people who can't get vaccinated?

Lemme know when you're done playing with your strawman.

[Galloism]

The legislature honestly only has to believe it will have an impact in this regard, and they will use your logic to justify it.

The legislature can also be reminded that a fetus is not legally a person. And if not, they can deal with trying to reconcile exemptions for rape and incest.

Well, as you so helpfully linked to earlier, they won't have to reconcile those exemptions.

Because fuck Alabama.

Alabama didn't include them.

And we can make a fetus a person if we so choose. Alabama did.

[Chernoslavia]

The legislature honestly only has to believe it will have an impact in this regard, and they will use your logic to justify it.

The legislature can also be reminded that a fetus is not legally a person. And if not, they can deal with trying to reconcile exemptions for rape and incest.

Yeah I don't need you to tell me that.

And your myopic view of what constitutes as being a ''danger'' to others.

It is not particularly hard, to tell.

Again, yeah.

[The Black Forrest]

And you brought back an extinct disease and increased infection rates of mumps and rubella.

Good job!

Except it was never extinct. Like I said, you're welcome to go elsewhere or stay out of the US if you're willing to violate other people's rights.

Don't fib. It was declared extinct in the us.

*yawns*

[The Aria]

I thought vaccines were given to babies

Noooo. Their little bodies don't have the immunity for it. It can cause death or life long problems.

In my time it was 4 to 6 years.

Now I read the first is 12 to 15 months and a follow up at 4 to 6.

immunity? For vaccinations? So vaccinations are deadly?

[Kowani]

The legislature can also be reminded that a fetus is not legally a person. And if not, they can deal with trying to reconcile exemptions for rape and incest.

Well, as you so helpfully linked to earlier, they won't have to reconcile those exemptions.

Because fuck Alabama.

Alabama didn't include them.

Yes, and how’s that working out on the PR level?

Body autonomy means killing people who can't get vaccinated?

Lemme know when you're done playing with your strawman.

You say that, but that’s the end result of what you propose.

[Galloism]

Don't get me wrong; I am all for a better solution. If the body integrity types have something to make it extinct again; I am willing to hear it.

The problem here is MMR worked. Their solution brought the disease back and infection rates are increasing for M and R.

I really get that, I really do.

But the question is whether we have principles regarding bodily autonomy or not, even when there's a third party's life involved. Even if another person might die, can a person have a right to self?

If so, we may have to pay the blood price.

If not, we'll have to pay the freedom price. Women especially will pay the freedom price.

[Inkopolitia]

Babies, young children, the elderly, people with autoimmune diseases…

I thought vaccines were given to babies

Babies that are so young that they can't get vaccinated without compromising their immune system*

[The Free Joy State]

Babies, young children, the elderly, people with autoimmune diseases…

I thought vaccines were given to babies

The vaccination schedule varies by country, IIRC. But most vaccines aren't given to children under twelve months, and vaccinations are generally completed by 18 years.

I personally favour mandatory vaccines of children for potentially deadly diseases (because we don't allow parents to make other medical decisions that are harmful for minors -- like denying blood transfusions or necessary medical care) -- if not otherwise contraindicated (i.e. by an allergy or other medical complication).

Although, there could be good call for insisting adults be vaccinated before they live in Halls of Residence (or whatever the US term is), as my university did.

[The Black Forrest]

The legislature can also be reminded that a fetus is not legally a person. And if not, they can deal with trying to reconcile exemptions for rape and incest.

Well, as you so helpfully linked to earlier, they won't have to reconcile those exemptions.

Because fuck Alabama.

Alabama didn't include them.

And we can make a fetus a person if we so choose. Alabama did.

Cool how long till the prosecute for miscarriages?

[Galloism]

Well, as you so helpfully linked to earlier, they won't have to reconcile those exemptions.



Alabama didn't include them.

Yes, and how’s that working out on the PR level?

In Alabama? Pretty well I'm told. Worldwide not so well, but pretty well in Alabama.

[Kowani]

Noooo. Their little bodies don't have the immunity for it. It can cause death or life long problems.

In my time it was 4 to 6 years.

Now I read the first is 12 to 15 months and a follow up at 4 to 6.

immunity? For vaccinations? So vaccinations are deadly?

Under certain circumstances, yes. That’s why everyone else should get vaccinated, so that those who can’t don’t get killed by diseases.

[Gormwood]

Noooo. Their little bodies don't have the immunity for it. It can cause death or life long problems.

In my time it was 4 to 6 years.

Now I read the first is 12 to 15 months and a follow up at 4 to 6.

immunity? For vaccinations? So vaccinations are deadly?

Infants don't have fully developed immune systems that can safely take the vaccine from the getgo. Takes time.

[Chernoslavia]

Except it was never extinct. Like I said, you're welcome to go elsewhere or stay out of the US if you're willing to violate other people's rights.

Don't fib. It was declared extinct in the us.

*yawns*

Where's the lie? It was almost extinct.

Yeah, I'm gettin a little tired too so fuck this thread and fuck the government. G'nite.

[Galloism]

Well, as you so helpfully linked to earlier, they won't have to reconcile those exemptions.



Alabama didn't include them.

And we can make a fetus a person if we so choose. Alabama did.

Cool how long till the prosecute for miscarriages?

Probably not long, but you'd have to prove some kind of intent or reckless endangerment.

[Kowani]

Yes, and how’s that working out on the PR level?

In Alabama? Pretty well I'm told. Worldwide not so well, but pretty well in Alabama.

Good thing the US is made up of more than just Alabama.

[Galloism]

In Alabama? Pretty well I'm told. Worldwide not so well, but pretty well in Alabama.

Good thing the US is made up of more than just Alabama.

Sure is. But then again, Alabama politicians tend to be elected by Alabama voters, not US voters at large, and for those voters, it's playing pretty well (or so I'm told).

[The Free Joy State]

Cool how long till the prosecute for miscarriages?

Probably not long, but you'd have to prove some kind of intent or reckless endangerment.

Actually, women have already been prosecuted in the US for stillbirths (using existing laws). I linked to a study, here on the abortion thread.

[Gormwood]

Good thing the US is made up of more than just Alabama.

Sure is. But then again, Alabama politicians tend to be elected by Alabama voters, not US voters at large, and for those voters, it's playing pretty well (or so I'm told).

After all, Alabama almost elected Roy Moore to the Senate.

[Galloism]

Probably not long, but you'd have to prove some kind of intent or reckless endangerment.

Actually, women have already been prosecuted in the US for stillbirths (using existing laws). I linked to a study, here on the abortion thread.

There's something exceptionally wrong there.

[The Black Forrest]

Noooo. Their little bodies don't have the immunity for it. It can cause death or life long problems.

In my time it was 4 to 6 years.

Now I read the first is 12 to 15 months and a follow up at 4 to 6.

immunity? For vaccinations? So vaccinations are deadly?

For them sure. Their immune systems are still developing. Vaccines are injecting dead or weakened atigens into the body. Our immune system gets trained to handle the real virus by creating antibodies in response. Once the perceived threat has passed many of the antibodies break down but immune cells called memory cells remain.

[Gormwood]

Probably not long, but you'd have to prove some kind of intent or reckless endangerment.

Actually, women have already been prosecuted in the US for stillbirths (using existing laws). I linked to a study, here on the abortion thread.

"I'm sorry for your loss, but you're going to prison you baby killer!"

[Kowani]

Good thing the US is made up of more than just Alabama.

Sure is. But then again, Alabama politicians tend to be elected by Alabama voters, not US voters at large, and for those voters, it's playing pretty well (or so I'm told).

I don’t imagine any women have been prosecuted under this yet, no? Wait ‘till that happens.

[The Black Forrest]

Cool how long till the prosecute for miscarriages?

Probably not long, but you'd have to prove some kind of intent or reckless endangerment.

The problem is there isn't a generally accepted answer to what caused a miscarriage. States like Georgia and Alabama will take a stance (IMHO) of guilty until proven innocent in these matters. Especially when people find ways to force a termination.....