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To what ethical philosophy do you subscribe?

Ethical Egoism
12
11%
Act Utilitarianism
7
6%
Rule Utilitarianism
7
6%
Kantian Ethics
6
5%
Virtue Ethics
19
17%
Nihilism/YOLO
18
16%
Radical Subjectivism
2
2%
Cultural Relativism
3
3%
Divine Command Theory
18
16%
Natural Law Theory
20
18%
 
Total votes : 112

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Conserative Morality
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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon May 13, 2019 7:40 pm

Christ, what is it, anti-semite day? Did I fall into the 1900s when I wasn't looking?

Joohan wrote:
No. Not in the slightest. If there is one constant throughout history, having superior wealth pretty much damn near decides were your status is in society. So what if your neighbors hate you cause you're Guadeloupean - you employ those peons, live in a gated community, and take vacations down by the coast.

I can't think of a single society where in material wealth was not the greatest decider of social standing, exempting states were in the government attempted genocide for ideological reasons.

Is this a fucking joke?
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Bienenhalde
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Authoritarian Democracy

Postby Bienenhalde » Mon May 13, 2019 7:41 pm

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:I got an ad on YouTube about why god is a he by prageru. Thank you Dennis.


Heresy! It is idolatrous to imply that God literally has a gender or sex like a human being.

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Conserative Morality
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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon May 13, 2019 7:41 pm

Joohan wrote:
Kowani wrote: I did not say they were treated well, but they certainly didn’t suffer the same way the Russian Jews did.

What is the Armenian Genocide?


I refer to you the People’s Crusade.


And my point is yet proven. Those jews with wealth and ties to business were able to save themselves from the violence, while their poorer counterparts were killed.

News of Emicho's crusade spread quickly, and he was prevented from entering Mainz on May 25 by Bishop Ruthard. Emicho also took an offering of gold raised by the Jews of Mainz in hope to gain his favor and their safety.[11] Bishop Ruthard tried to protect the Jews by hiding them in his lightly fortified palace. Nevertheless, Emicho did not prevent his followers from entering the city[11] on May 27 and a massacre followed. Many among the Christian business class (the burghers) in Mainz, had working ties with Jews and gave them shelter from the mobs (as the burghers in Prague had done).[9] The Mainz burghers joined with the militia of the bishop and the burgrave (the town's military governor) in fighting off the first waves of crusaders. This stand had to be abandoned when crusaders continued to arrive in ever greater numbers,[9] and the militia of the bishop together with the bishop himself fled and left the Jews to be slaughtered by the crusaders.

Wow, they really were saved by their wealth, I see.
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Kowani
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Kowani » Mon May 13, 2019 7:44 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:I got an ad on YouTube about why god is a he by prageru. Thank you Dennis.


Heresy! It is idolatrous to imply that God literally has a gender or sex like a human being.

Go tell the folks in the CDT that, I wanna see the reaction.
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Conserative Morality
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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon May 13, 2019 7:44 pm

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Fuck I hate 2019. Almost as much as I hated 2018. Or 2017.
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Washingtonian Republic
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Postby Washingtonian Republic » Mon May 13, 2019 7:46 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:

Fuck I hate 2019. Almost as much as I hated 2018. Or 2017.

2020 is going to be worse, a lot worse if the trend keeps on. Imagine 2021, or even 2022.
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Joohan
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Postby Joohan » Mon May 13, 2019 7:46 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Joohan wrote:
And my point is yet proven. Those jews with wealth and ties to business were able to save themselves from the violence, while their poorer counterparts were killed.

News of Emicho's crusade spread quickly, and he was prevented from entering Mainz on May 25 by Bishop Ruthard. Emicho also took an offering of gold raised by the Jews of Mainz in hope to gain his favor and their safety.[11] Bishop Ruthard tried to protect the Jews by hiding them in his lightly fortified palace. Nevertheless, Emicho did not prevent his followers from entering the city[11] on May 27 and a massacre followed. Many among the Christian business class (the burghers) in Mainz, had working ties with Jews and gave them shelter from the mobs (as the burghers in Prague had done).[9] The Mainz burghers joined with the militia of the bishop and the burgrave (the town's military governor) in fighting off the first waves of crusaders. This stand had to be abandoned when crusaders continued to arrive in ever greater numbers,[9] and the militia of the bishop together with the bishop himself fled and left the Jews to be slaughtered by the crusaders.

Wow, they really were saved by their wealth, I see.


Emicho was the exception - were in nearly every other crusading army which passed through Germany at the time accepted bribes and moved onward.
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Kowani
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Kowani » Mon May 13, 2019 7:46 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:

Fuck I hate 2019. Almost as much as I hated 2018. Or 2017.

Dr. Seuss made great political cartoons.
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Washington Resistance Army
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon May 13, 2019 7:47 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:Christ, what is it, anti-semite day? Did I fall into the 1900s when I wasn't looking?


History is repeating CM. Hope you're ready for another Nazi v Commie kerfuffle.
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Hanafuridake
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Postby Hanafuridake » Mon May 13, 2019 7:47 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:Christ, what is it, anti-semite day? Did I fall into the 1900s when I wasn't looking?


Christian Europe: You can't be farmers and manual laborers, you can only work in finance and intelligentsia.
Jews: *develop a culture which prioritizes those fields*
Christian Europe:
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Joohan
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Postby Joohan » Mon May 13, 2019 7:48 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:Christ, what is it, anti-semite day? Did I fall into the 1900s when I wasn't looking?

Joohan wrote:
No. Not in the slightest. If there is one constant throughout history, having superior wealth pretty much damn near decides were your status is in society. So what if your neighbors hate you cause you're Guadeloupean - you employ those peons, live in a gated community, and take vacations down by the coast.

I can't think of a single society where in material wealth was not the greatest decider of social standing, exempting states were in the government attempted genocide for ideological reasons.

Is this a fucking joke?


Sight me an example were material wealth did not overcome the limitations of bigotry in a society.
If you need a witness look to yourself

There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism!


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Hanafuridake
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Postby Hanafuridake » Mon May 13, 2019 7:50 pm

Joohan wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Christ, what is it, anti-semite day? Did I fall into the 1900s when I wasn't looking?


Is this a fucking joke?


Sight me an example were material wealth did not overcome the limitations of bigotry in a society.


The Dalit.
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Conserative Morality
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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon May 13, 2019 7:50 pm

Washingtonian Republic wrote:2020 is going to be worse, a lot worse if the trend keeps on. Imagine 2021, or even 2022.

Maybe by then we'll have come to our senses and kick the bastards to the curb.
Joohan wrote:
Emicho was the exception - were in nearly every other crusading army which passed through Germany at the time accepted bribes and moved onward.

Then why did you use as a source a link that led specifically to Emicho? Furthermore, from elsewhere in your own source
In general, the crusader mobs did not fear any retribution, as the local courts did not have the jurisdiction to pursue them past their locality nor did they have the ability to identify and prosecute individuals out of the mob.[9] The pleas of the clergy were ignored on similar grounds (no cases against individuals were brought forward for excommunication) and the mob believed that anyone preaching mercy to the Jews was doing so only because they had succumbed to Jewish bribery.[9] [CM's note: implying necessarily that the mob did not tolerate such mercies or such bribery]

Did you even read it?
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Joohan
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Postby Joohan » Mon May 13, 2019 7:52 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:
Joohan wrote:
Sight me an example were material wealth did not overcome the limitations of bigotry in a society.


The Dalit.


The poorest people in India.
If you need a witness look to yourself

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Washingtonian Republic
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Postby Washingtonian Republic » Mon May 13, 2019 7:52 pm

Joohan wrote:
Kowani wrote: I did not say they were treated well, but they certainly didn’t suffer the same way the Russian Jews did.

What is the Armenian Genocide?


I refer to you the People’s Crusade.


And my point is yet proven. Those jews with wealth and ties to business were able to save themselves from the violence, while their poorer counterparts were killed.

A few Christian clerics attempted to protect their Jewish counterparts from Emicho's crusade. However, their safeguards failed (obviously).

Emicho's crusade was more of a cover up for state directed burglary of Jewish financial assets.
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Conserative Morality
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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon May 13, 2019 7:54 pm

Joohan wrote:Sight me an example were material wealth did not overcome the limitations of bigotry in a society.

Roman freedmen, infames, and peregrini.

Jews in Europe.

Moriscos in Spain.

Merchants in feudal societies.

Merchants in Confucian societies.

Merchants in feudal Confucian societies.

American blacks before the Civil Rights Movement.
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Conserative Morality
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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon May 13, 2019 7:54 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Christ, what is it, anti-semite day? Did I fall into the 1900s when I wasn't looking?


History is repeating CM. Hope you're ready for another Nazi v Commie kerfuffle.

Get fucking hyped.
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Conserative Morality
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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon May 13, 2019 7:57 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Christ, what is it, anti-semite day? Did I fall into the 1900s when I wasn't looking?


Christian Europe: You can't be farmers and manual laborers, you can only work in finance and intelligentsia.
Jews: *develop a culture which prioritizes those fields*
Christian Europe:
Image

The unmitigated gall!
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Duhon
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Postby Duhon » Mon May 13, 2019 8:04 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:

Fuck I hate 2019. Almost as much as I hated 2018. Or 2017.


2016 has been the longest year to date, I agree.

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Hanafuridake
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Postby Hanafuridake » Mon May 13, 2019 8:04 pm

Joohan wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:
The Dalit.


The poorest people in India.


Ironically a lot of enmity against Dalits in some areas has to do with them being economically successful.

Caste is divorced from economic status. There are poor brahmins and rich outcastes. That still doesn't upend the deep systematic social discrimination against them.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon May 13, 2019 8:06 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:Maybe by then we'll have come to our senses and kick the bastards to the curb.


I wouldn't bet on it tbh. Everyone is racing to the extremes and we as society did too little to stop it when we potentially could have, and even if we tried to reverse course the genie's already out of the bottle. The far left is becoming more and more normalized and I'd argue the far right already has become normalized to most of us.
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Duhon
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Postby Duhon » Mon May 13, 2019 8:07 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Christ, what is it, anti-semite day? Did I fall into the 1900s when I wasn't looking?


Christian Europe: You can't be farmers and manual laborers, you can only work in finance and intelligentsia.
Jews: *develop a culture which prioritizes those fields*
Christian Europe:
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"No, we didn't want you to become rich, we wanted you to die! Why can't you take the bloody hint?"

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Conserative Morality
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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon May 13, 2019 8:08 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:I wouldn't bet on it tbh. Everyone is racing to the extremes and we as society did too little to stop it when we potentially could have, and even if we tried to reverse course the genie's already out of the bottle. The far left is becoming more and more normalized and I'd argue the far right already has become normalized to most of us.

You're absolutely right - why isn't my side racing to any extremes? We need an extremist movement of our own to counter this madness!

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Jack Thomas Lang
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Postby Jack Thomas Lang » Mon May 13, 2019 8:12 pm

Duhon wrote:"No, we didn't want you to become rich, we wanted you to die! Why can't you take the bloody hint?"

On the contrary, being able to loan money was quite convenient for the aristocracy and kings of Europe. How else were they to fund their wars (aside from unpopular taxes of course).

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Duhon
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Postby Duhon » Mon May 13, 2019 8:14 pm

Jack Thomas Lang wrote:
Duhon wrote:"No, we didn't want you to become rich, we wanted you to die! Why can't you take the bloody hint?"

On the contrary, being able to loan money was quite convenient for the aristocracy and kings of Europe. How else were they to fund their wars (aside from unpopular taxes of course).


They were convenient until they weren't, and then it's get fucked, convert, or leave.

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