by Soviet Tankistan » Wed May 08, 2019 6:14 am
by Ors Might » Wed May 08, 2019 6:19 am
Soviet Tankistan wrote:Guns are important to revolution and leftists as a whole. Many authoritarian socialists like guns and own them. I'm not saying that guns shouldn't be deregulated. I'm saying that authoritarian socialists should own guns and allow them. What do you think? Should they be pro guns.
by Soviet Tankistan » Wed May 08, 2019 6:21 am
Ors Might wrote:Soviet Tankistan wrote:Guns are important to revolution and leftists as a whole. Many authoritarian socialists like guns and own them. I'm not saying that guns shouldn't be deregulated. I'm saying that authoritarian socialists should own guns and allow them. What do you think? Should they be pro guns.
Probably. Pretty hard to start a worker based revolution if the workers aren’t armed, y’know?
Not too stoked about authoritarians stocking up on guns but hey, rights for people you don’t like and all that.
by Tetradimensional Overworld » Wed May 08, 2019 6:23 am
by Ors Might » Wed May 08, 2019 6:25 am
Soviet Tankistan wrote:Ors Might wrote:Probably. Pretty hard to start a worker based revolution if the workers aren’t armed, y’know?
Not too stoked about authoritarians stocking up on guns but hey, rights for people you don’t like and all that.
Authoritarians already stock up on guns. I assume you are American? If so, you have a large and very armed right wing authoritarian party so arming their left wing equivalents shouldn’t be much of a concern.
by Soviet Tankistan » Wed May 08, 2019 6:28 am
Tetradimensional Overworld wrote:Pro-gun at first, and then anti-gun to keep capitalists from remaking the Old Order.
by Soviet Tankistan » Wed May 08, 2019 6:29 am
Ifreann wrote:Shovel AKs for everyone!
by Soviet Tankistan » Wed May 08, 2019 6:30 am
Ors Might wrote:Soviet Tankistan wrote:Authoritarians already stock up on guns. I assume you are American? If so, you have a large and very armed right wing authoritarian party so arming their left wing equivalents shouldn’t be much of a concern.
It’s less of a concern, per se, so much as the realization that the imminent conflict will be a violent cavalcade of clown fuckery.
by Tetradimensional Overworld » Wed May 08, 2019 6:31 am
Soviet Tankistan wrote:Tetradimensional Overworld wrote:Pro-gun at first, and then anti-gun to keep capitalists from remaking the Old Order.
That doesn’t make sense. A system where guns are regulated as to keep them out of the hands of terrorists is needed. But the only reason to have a revolution is to serve the people. If the people are dissatisfied enough they are able to overthrow the government, they shouldn’t have another uprising from the ground up. If the capitalists are strong enough to fight back and the workers too weak, then you have betrayed the revolution you were a part of. Leaders like Stalin could have easily had guns for the average person because he was very popular and well liked. I think that was more of an issue that guns weren’t ever allowed in most countries.
by Soviet Tankistan » Wed May 08, 2019 6:32 am
Tetradimensional Overworld wrote:Soviet Tankistan wrote:That doesn’t make sense. A system where guns are regulated as to keep them out of the hands of terrorists is needed. But the only reason to have a revolution is to serve the people. If the people are dissatisfied enough they are able to overthrow the government, they shouldn’t have another uprising from the ground up. If the capitalists are strong enough to fight back and the workers too weak, then you have betrayed the revolution you were a part of. Leaders like Stalin could have easily had guns for the average person because he was very popular and well liked. I think that was more of an issue that guns weren’t ever allowed in most countries.
If Stalin was pro-gun, he could've pushed the Nazis out from the U.S.S.R. more easily.
by Soviet Tankistan » Wed May 08, 2019 6:33 am
by Ifreann » Wed May 08, 2019 6:33 am
Tetradimensional Overworld wrote:Soviet Tankistan wrote:That doesn’t make sense. A system where guns are regulated as to keep them out of the hands of terrorists is needed. But the only reason to have a revolution is to serve the people. If the people are dissatisfied enough they are able to overthrow the government, they shouldn’t have another uprising from the ground up. If the capitalists are strong enough to fight back and the workers too weak, then you have betrayed the revolution you were a part of. Leaders like Stalin could have easily had guns for the average person because he was very popular and well liked. I think that was more of an issue that guns weren’t ever allowed in most countries.
If Stalin was pro-gun, he could've pushed the Nazis out from the U.S.S.R. more easily.
by Ors Might » Wed May 08, 2019 6:34 am
Soviet Tankistan wrote:Ors Might wrote:It’s less of a concern, per se, so much as the realization that the imminent conflict will be a violent cavalcade of clown fuckery.
It always is. When I talk about a socialist revolution, I mean it as comparable to the guns are to be used against a totalitarian government only. It hasn’t been bad enough yet.
by The New California Republic » Wed May 08, 2019 6:35 am
Tetradimensional Overworld wrote:Pro-gun at first, and then anti-gun to keep capitalists from remaking the Old Order.
by Soviet Tankistan » Wed May 08, 2019 6:35 am
by Ors Might » Wed May 08, 2019 6:35 am
by North German Realm » Wed May 08, 2019 6:35 am
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by The Xenopolis Confederation » Wed May 08, 2019 6:36 am
by Soviet Tankistan » Wed May 08, 2019 6:37 am
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:A better question would be; should authoritarian socialists be pro-authoritarianism? The answer is no.
by The New California Republic » Wed May 08, 2019 6:37 am
by Ifreann » Wed May 08, 2019 6:39 am
by Soviet Tankistan » Wed May 08, 2019 6:40 am
North German Realm wrote:The main view is that of-bloody-fucking-course socialists in general should be pro-gun. A core part of socialism as an umbrella of ideologies (especially when you inch towards Marxian or Krotopkin-esque Communism) is that the default state of workers while under a non-socialist system is necessarily "oppressed and suppressed". Marxian Communism in particular is pretty open about the "if you disarm the workers, you're leaving them at the hands of the Capitalist Class, and that's -if you still haven't got the hint- bad."
Now, Authoritarian Socialists in particular, since they -decidedly, as they are authoritarian- also support the suppression of workers, but by the state rather than by their private employers. So, in their particular case, they are totally pro gun as long as they aren't in charge, at which point guns should not be found at the hands of the workers, but the State's Soldiers. Obviously, exceptions do apply (Socialist Albania had a uniquely pro-gun approach to the "should workers own guns under a socialist state?" question despite its authoritarianism)
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