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To what ethical philosophy do you subscribe?

Ethical Egoism
12
11%
Act Utilitarianism
7
6%
Rule Utilitarianism
7
6%
Kantian Ethics
6
5%
Virtue Ethics
19
17%
Nihilism/YOLO
18
16%
Radical Subjectivism
2
2%
Cultural Relativism
3
3%
Divine Command Theory
18
16%
Natural Law Theory
20
18%
 
Total votes : 112

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Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Tue May 07, 2019 3:15 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:The liberals who freak if they put nazi germany instead though.

Ever play CoH?

Guess not.

What is the bias or inaccurate portrayal as someone who plays it?
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Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Tue May 07, 2019 3:17 pm

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Communist Zombie Horde wrote:I meant why do you think I became one.

I'm not sure that I can answer you honestly and frankly without it coming off as a personal attack, which would be a violation of the site rules. Suffice to say I don't think it was a rational or well-informed decision.

Better than fascism or liberalism by far.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue May 07, 2019 3:18 pm

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:I'm not sure that I can answer you honestly and frankly without it coming off as a personal attack, which would be a violation of the site rules. Suffice to say I don't think it was a rational or well-informed decision.

Better than fascism or liberalism by far.

Can you define liberalism for me?
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Postby Valrifell » Tue May 07, 2019 3:18 pm

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:I'm not sure that I can answer you honestly and frankly without it coming off as a personal attack, which would be a violation of the site rules. Suffice to say I don't think it was a rational or well-informed decision.

Better than fascism or liberalism by far.


I don't think you really understand what either of those terms mean, tbh.
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Tue May 07, 2019 3:19 pm

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:I'm not sure that I can answer you honestly and frankly without it coming off as a personal attack, which would be a violation of the site rules. Suffice to say I don't think it was a rational or well-informed decision.

Better than fascism or liberalism by far.

Not really. It more or less combines the worst characteristics of both.
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Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Tue May 07, 2019 3:20 pm

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:Better than fascism or liberalism by far.

Not really. It more or less combines the worst characteristics of both.

Best actually. A great free and fair economy and free thought with nationalism and social efficiency.
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Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Tue May 07, 2019 3:22 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:Better than fascism or liberalism by far.

Can you define liberalism for me?

A socially left ideology that believes in freedom and is against “human rights abuses” originally witha free market that was corrupted by socialists and sjws introducing Marxist policies and superiority of the “oppressed” now used almost solely by leftist traitors.
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Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Tue May 07, 2019 3:23 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:Better than fascism or liberalism by far.


I don't think you really understand what either of those terms mean, tbh.

I don’t think you know what fascism means or why I’m not one.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue May 07, 2019 3:23 pm

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Ever play CoH?

Guess not.

What is the bias or inaccurate portrayal as someone who plays it?

It inaccurately leaves all the Nazi racism out.
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Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Tue May 07, 2019 3:28 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:What is the bias or inaccurate portrayal as someone who plays it?

It inaccurately leaves all the Nazi racism out.

It might ironically be due to German censorship’s. Games about nazis are allowed to be accurate in germany. Hitler cant even have a mustache.
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Postby Valrifell » Tue May 07, 2019 3:28 pm

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
I don't think you really understand what either of those terms mean, tbh.

I don’t think you know what fascism means or why I’m not one.


the distinction between Neoreactionaries and crypto/neo-fascists is so fine I'm partially convinced it's made up so you don't feel like the bad guy.
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Postby Jack Thomas Lang » Tue May 07, 2019 3:31 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:Since fucking when? Concubinage was fucking rampant, even amongst the clergy, until the 13th-14th centuries.

What sources have you read that suggest this? It's not something I've come across, although debauched monasteries and the like certainly existed.

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Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Tue May 07, 2019 3:32 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:I don’t think you know what fascism means or why I’m not one.


the distinction between Neoreactionaries and crypto/neo-fascists is so fine I'm partially convinced it's made up so you don't feel like the bad guy.

I’m different that fascists on a few pivotal issues so it’s good enough. I support unregulated market, full guns, individualism, small gov, not racism, and no workers “rights” so that’s enough.
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Postby Valrifell » Tue May 07, 2019 3:33 pm

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
the distinction between Neoreactionaries and crypto/neo-fascists is so fine I'm partially convinced it's made up so you don't feel like the bad guy.

I’m different that fascists on a few pivotal issues so it’s good enough. I support unregulated market, full guns, individualism, small gov, not racism, and no workers “rights” so that’s enough.


A neoreactionary sans authoritarianism isn't really a neoreactionary at all, since the democratic government is a liberal ideal.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue May 07, 2019 3:34 pm

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:It might ironically be due to German censorship’s. Games about nazis are allowed to be accurate in germany. Hitler cant even have a mustache.

Doubtful. More likely they didn't want people to be discouraged from playing the only other faction the game offered.
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Postby Jack Thomas Lang » Tue May 07, 2019 3:36 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:Doubtful. More likely they didn't want people to be discouraged from playing the only other faction the game offered.

Didn't stop them from doing a number on the Soviets. Not that it wasn't entirely inaccurate (although I doubt the veracity of machine guns lined up behind Russian soldiers to deter them from running, that was a Civil War thing).

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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue May 07, 2019 3:39 pm

Jack Thomas Lang wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Since fucking when? Concubinage was fucking rampant, even amongst the clergy, until the 13th-14th centuries.

What sources have you read that suggest this? It's not something I've come across, although debauched monasteries and the like certainly existed.

It's a bit broad, but it's a good read.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue May 07, 2019 3:41 pm

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Didn't stop them from doing a number on the Soviets. Not that it wasn't entirely inaccurate (although I doubt the veracity of machine guns lined up behind Russian soldiers to deter them from running, that was a Civil War thing).

That's CoH2, though, I was talking about 1. I didn't played nearly as much CoH2 to comment. Also, barrier troops were placed behind lines of troops whose determination was uncertain, especially for shtrafbat. Although more often they would be arrested, detained, tried, and then shot rather than machine-gunned on the spot.
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Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Tue May 07, 2019 3:43 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:I’m different that fascists on a few pivotal issues so it’s good enough. I support unregulated market, full guns, individualism, small gov, not racism, and no workers “rights” so that’s enough.


A neoreactionary sans authoritarianism isn't really a neoreactionary at all, since the democratic government is a liberal ideal.

I’m against democracy. I was saying I’m against sjws and pc “fascism.”
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Postby Valrifell » Tue May 07, 2019 3:44 pm

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
A neoreactionary sans authoritarianism isn't really a neoreactionary at all, since the democratic government is a liberal ideal.

I’m against democracy. I was saying I’m against sjws and pc fascism.


So I refer back that there's no real meaningful distinction between you and a crypto-fascist. Probably why you get along so well.
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Postby Jack Thomas Lang » Tue May 07, 2019 3:45 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:That's CoH2, though, I was talking about 1. I didn't played nearly as much CoH2 to comment. Also, barrier troops were placed behind lines of troops whose determination was uncertain, especially for shtrafbat. Although more often they would be arrested, detained, tried, and then shot rather than machine-gunned on the spot.

Fair enough, although that's how I understood it. Machine-gunning is just extreme.

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Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Tue May 07, 2019 3:45 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:I’m against democracy. I was saying I’m against sjws and pc fascism.


So I refer back that there's no real meaningful distinction between you and a crypto-fascist. Probably why you get along so well.

So all the ideas a fascist would disagree with don’t count but the fact that I’m an authoritarian like many other right wingers are does?
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue May 07, 2019 3:46 pm

Jack Thomas Lang wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:That's CoH2, though, I was talking about 1. I didn't played nearly as much CoH2 to comment. Also, barrier troops were placed behind lines of troops whose determination was uncertain, especially for shtrafbat. Although more often they would be arrested, detained, tried, and then shot rather than machine-gunned on the spot.

Fair enough, although that's how I understood it. Machine-gunning is just extreme.

I guess "You're under arrest and may be shot in 2-6 months if the bureaucracy works the way it's supposed to" just isn't as cinematic. :p
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Postby Valrifell » Tue May 07, 2019 3:46 pm

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
So I refer back that there's no real meaningful distinction between you and a crypto-fascist. Probably why you get along so well.

So all the ideas a fascist would disagree with don’t count but the fact that I’m an authoritarian like many other right wingers are does?


Nationalistic authoritarianism is pretty much halfway to what we'd consider fascism, particularly when it's anti-labor.
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Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Tue May 07, 2019 3:46 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Jack Thomas Lang wrote:Fair enough, although that's how I understood it. Machine-gunning is just extreme.

I guess "You're under arrest and may be shot in 2-6 months if the bureaucracy works the way it's supposed to" just isn't as cinematic. :p

Socialism is. Dumb that way.
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