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Which Candidate do you support?

Bernie
102
33%
Beto
3
1%
Biden
15
5%
Buttigieg
27
9%
Harris
4
1%
Warren
17
6%
Yang
24
8%
Trump
88
29%
Weld
3
1%
Other
25
8%
 
Total votes : 308

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Postby Valrifell » Tue May 07, 2019 6:07 am

Galloism wrote:Sanders just endorsed a right to repair law for farmers.

Good, good. Now make it for everyone!


Right to repair is just one of those common sense consumer protection things. Or at least it should be.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue May 07, 2019 6:15 am

Valrifell wrote:
Galloism wrote:Sanders just endorsed a right to repair law for farmers.

Good, good. Now make it for everyone!


Right to repair is just one of those common sense consumer protection things. Or at least it should be.

Consumer protection is just the first step towards FULL COMMUNISM.
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Postby Evil Dictators Happyland » Tue May 07, 2019 6:15 am

Zurkerx wrote:
Blargoblarg wrote:
The pro-establishment corporate media is promoting their favorite establishment corporate candidate? I'm shocked, shocked! :roll:


Biden may be doing well right now, but I doubt he'll last. I think his terrible political record, his creepy touchy behavior towards women and young girls, and his tendency to make gaffes will sink his campaign. I doubt Biden will make it past the first few primaries. And I think Bernie has a good chance of doing really well in the primaries and becoming the Democratic nominee. If that happens, Bernie will beat Trump easily in the general.


This sounds almost like Trump, and look where he is...

The difference is that Democrats seem to actually care. Time will tell if they really do or not, but I don't personally know any Democrats who would bend over backwards to justify their candidate's actions the way that most Republicans are doing for Trump.

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Postby Evil Dictators Happyland » Tue May 07, 2019 6:16 am

Valrifell wrote:
Galloism wrote:Sanders just endorsed a right to repair law for farmers.

Good, good. Now make it for everyone!


Right to repair is just one of those common sense consumer protection things. Or at least it should be.

But then you wouldn't have to buy a new one if yours breaks. Think of the poor corporate executives, working themselves to the bone to set up offshore accounts and navigate the perilous waters of tax loopholes! My god man, have you no sense of human rights?!
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Postby Vassenor » Tue May 07, 2019 6:31 am

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...What is it with the GOP and wanting to make it harder for people to exercise their constitutional right to vote?

Source?


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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue May 07, 2019 7:08 am

Galloism wrote:Sanders just endorsed a right to repair law for farmers.

Good, good. Now make it for everyone!

That’s a winning policy. You know farmers are, right now, cracking their John Deere tractors with Ukrainian firmware just to fix them and use them?

Man, getting a headline that isn't about her college paperwork is rough for Warren:
Back in March, Massachusetts Senator Elizabeth Warren, another Democratic presidential hopeful, springboarded the right-to-repair conversation from a mostly state-level issue to a national one with her own support of a national law for farmers. Warren wrote in a Medium post at the time that this law “should require manufacturers of farm equipment to make diagnostic tools, manuals, and other repair-related resources available to any individual or business, not just their own dealerships and authorized agents.”

“This will not only allow individuals to fix their own equipment — reducing delays — but it will also create competition among dealers and independent repair shops, bringing down prices overall,” she added.
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Postby Bahktar » Tue May 07, 2019 7:36 am

I'm not sure, but I feel as if Biden will win the primary - I hope in that case that he'll pick Buttigieg as his running mate.

By the way, none of these candidates are going to be a "McGovern v2.0" because Bernie, Biden, whatever, right now have broad support from people. It's not going to be "Blowout Bernie" or whatever. EDIT, I'd like to also add that Trump is widely unpopular for a President with a good economy and other results - disputable how much they are attributed to him - "generic Democrat" would give Trump a run for his money either way because of that.

Also, about news outlets favoring Biden - well - that's not surprising. Neither is Bernie losing in 2016, what is surprising is the whining over his loss and failure to understand he would have lost the primary either way and that "insurgent candidate" when you become a Democrat only once every four years is not going to get you favors, allies and friends in the party apparatus.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue May 07, 2019 7:57 am

Bahktar wrote:I'm not sure, but I feel as if Biden will win the primary - I hope in that case that he'll pick Buttigieg as his running mate.

By the way, none of these candidates are going to be a "McGovern v2.0" because Bernie, Biden, whatever, right now have broad support from people. It's not going to be "Blowout Bernie" or whatever. EDIT, I'd like to also add that Trump is widely unpopular for a President with a good economy and other results - disputable how much they are attributed to him - "generic Democrat" would give Trump a run for his money either way because of that.

Also, about news outlets favoring Biden - well - that's not surprising. Neither is Bernie losing in 2016, what is surprising is the whining over his loss and failure to understand he would have lost the primary either way and that "insurgent candidate" when you become a Democrat only once every four years is not going to get you favors, allies and friends in the party apparatus.

Id like to see a woman on the ticket for VP. Maybe Amy Klobuchar, Kamala Harris, Tammy Baldwin or maybe Stacey Abrams.
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Postby Zurkerx » Tue May 07, 2019 8:08 am

San Lumen wrote:
Bahktar wrote:I'm not sure, but I feel as if Biden will win the primary - I hope in that case that he'll pick Buttigieg as his running mate.

By the way, none of these candidates are going to be a "McGovern v2.0" because Bernie, Biden, whatever, right now have broad support from people. It's not going to be "Blowout Bernie" or whatever. EDIT, I'd like to also add that Trump is widely unpopular for a President with a good economy and other results - disputable how much they are attributed to him - "generic Democrat" would give Trump a run for his money either way because of that.

Also, about news outlets favoring Biden - well - that's not surprising. Neither is Bernie losing in 2016, what is surprising is the whining over his loss and failure to understand he would have lost the primary either way and that "insurgent candidate" when you become a Democrat only once every four years is not going to get you favors, allies and friends in the party apparatus.

Id like to see a woman on the ticket for VP. Maybe Amy Klobuchar, Kamala Harris, Tammy Baldwin or maybe Stacey Abrams.


If the Democrats are going to have any success, they're going to need someone from the Rust Belt on ticket, whether President or VP. Harris and Abrams should not be VPs, their personality types wouldn't accept that; they like leadership roles. Now Harris as an Attorney General? Maybe. Now, if they won the nomination, they would need to pick someone from the Rust Belt.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue May 07, 2019 8:09 am

Zurkerx wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Id like to see a woman on the ticket for VP. Maybe Amy Klobuchar, Kamala Harris, Tammy Baldwin or maybe Stacey Abrams.


If the Democrats are going to have any success, they're going to need someone from the Rust Belt on ticket, whether President or VP. Harris and Abrams should not be VPs, their personality types wouldn't accept that; they like leadership roles. Now Harris as an Attorney General? Maybe. Now, if they won the nomination, they would need to pick someone from the Rust Belt.

Baldwin or Klobuchar would be good then. or maybe a congresswoman from Michigan, Ohio or Illinois?

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Postby South Odreria » Tue May 07, 2019 8:19 am

San Lumen wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:
If the Democrats are going to have any success, they're going to need someone from the Rust Belt on ticket, whether President or VP. Harris and Abrams should not be VPs, their personality types wouldn't accept that; they like leadership roles. Now Harris as an Attorney General? Maybe. Now, if they won the nomination, they would need to pick someone from the Rust Belt.

Baldwin or Klobuchar would be good then. or maybe a congresswoman from Michigan, Ohio or Illinois?


Catherine Cortez Masto I like, if a midwestern friendly male gets the nomination
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Postby San Lumen » Tue May 07, 2019 8:20 am

South Odreria wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Baldwin or Klobuchar would be good then. or maybe a congresswoman from Michigan, Ohio or Illinois?


Catherine Cortez Masto I like, if a midwestern friendly male gets the nomination

She would not be a bad choice for anyone

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Postby Telconi » Tue May 07, 2019 8:22 am

Zurkerx wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Id like to see a woman on the ticket for VP. Maybe Amy Klobuchar, Kamala Harris, Tammy Baldwin or maybe Stacey Abrams.


If the Democrats are going to have any success, they're going to need someone from the Rust Belt on ticket, whether President or VP. Harris and Abrams should not be VPs, their personality types wouldn't accept that; they like leadership roles. Now Harris as an Attorney General? Maybe. Now, if they won the nomination, they would need to pick someone from the Rust Belt.


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Postby Galloism » Tue May 07, 2019 8:29 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Galloism wrote:Sanders just endorsed a right to repair law for farmers.

Good, good. Now make it for everyone!

That’s a winning policy. You know farmers are, right now, cracking their John Deere tractors with Ukrainian firmware just to fix them and use them?

Man, getting a headline that isn't about her college paperwork is rough for Warren:
Back in March, Massachusetts Senator Elizabeth Warren, another Democratic presidential hopeful, springboarded the right-to-repair conversation from a mostly state-level issue to a national one with her own support of a national law for farmers. Warren wrote in a Medium post at the time that this law “should require manufacturers of farm equipment to make diagnostic tools, manuals, and other repair-related resources available to any individual or business, not just their own dealerships and authorized agents.”

“This will not only allow individuals to fix their own equipment — reducing delays — but it will also create competition among dealers and independent repair shops, bringing down prices overall,” she added.

That's great of Warren too!
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Postby South Odreria » Tue May 07, 2019 8:30 am

Telconi wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:
If the Democrats are going to have any success, they're going to need someone from the Rust Belt on ticket, whether President or VP. Harris and Abrams should not be VPs, their personality types wouldn't accept that; they like leadership roles. Now Harris as an Attorney General? Maybe. Now, if they won the nomination, they would need to pick someone from the Rust Belt.


Institutional slavery is bad my dude.


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Postby Telconi » Tue May 07, 2019 8:52 am

South Odreria wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Institutional slavery is bad my dude.


"I think we should have a discussion about ending slavery, and as you know I was a prosecutor"


Indidn't know you were, but Indon't see the relevance.
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Postby Corrian » Tue May 07, 2019 1:41 pm

Biden seems to have risen in the first primary states since he announced, too.
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Postby Valrifell » Tue May 07, 2019 2:11 pm

Corrian wrote:Biden seems to have risen in the first primary states since he announced, too.


Last I checked he was somewhere up like 40(!)% nationally, that's bona fide front runner status, whereas before it was possible that someone could easily breakthrough, now it looks terribly unlikely.
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Postby Corrian » Tue May 07, 2019 2:32 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Corrian wrote:Biden seems to have risen in the first primary states since he announced, too.


Last I checked he was somewhere up like 40(!)% nationally, that's bona fide front runner status, whereas before it was possible that someone could easily breakthrough, now it looks terribly unlikely.

I'm still in support of Buttigieg, I think. But I can live with Biden. And Bernie of course.
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Postby Corrian » Tue May 07, 2019 2:37 pm

I'm just glad Harris and Booker aren't doing as well as I feared they might.
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Postby Genivaria » Tue May 07, 2019 2:45 pm

Corrian wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Last I checked he was somewhere up like 40(!)% nationally, that's bona fide front runner status, whereas before it was possible that someone could easily breakthrough, now it looks terribly unlikely.

I'm still in support of Buttigieg, I think. But I can live with Biden. And Bernie of course.

I'm a pretty strong Bernie-crat but I really do like Buttigieg.

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Postby Galloism » Tue May 07, 2019 2:46 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Corrian wrote:I'm still in support of Buttigieg, I think. But I can live with Biden. And Bernie of course.

I'm a pretty strong Bernie-crat but I really do like Buttigieg.

Buttigieg doesn't like you though. He said bernie supports are just looking to burn the system.
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Postby Genivaria » Tue May 07, 2019 2:49 pm

Galloism wrote:
Genivaria wrote:I'm a pretty strong Bernie-crat but I really do like Buttigieg.

Buttigieg doesn't like you though. He said bernie supports are just looking to burn the system.

He's entitled to his opinion.

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Postby Galloism » Tue May 07, 2019 2:50 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Galloism wrote:Buttigieg doesn't like you though. He said bernie supports are just looking to burn the system.

He's entitled to his opinion.

Indeed he is.
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Postby Valrifell » Tue May 07, 2019 2:51 pm

Galloism wrote:
Genivaria wrote:I'm a pretty strong Bernie-crat but I really do like Buttigieg.

Buttigieg doesn't like you though. He said bernie supports are just looking to burn the system.


I mean, Sanders' whole schtick was/is emphasizing a political "revolution" and those tend to destroy whatever came before it. So it's not all that unfair to characterize Sanders supporters as wanting to burn down the system.
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