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Ransium
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Postby Ransium » Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:35 pm

Araraukar wrote:
Ransium wrote:(pro-tip: weather and intelligence are negatively correlated for some reason)

OOC: *has 140th best weather in the world, has 638th smartest citizens in the world* ...ummmm. :P


Yeah, it's one of like 6 factors and certainty not the most important. Also basically no nation (at least 3 years ago when I was paying attention) was optimizing their weather score, which is why I was doing it, it allowed me to move up the rankings very quickly. Most nations in the top 100 weather ranking are just super high in some of the most important rankings (usually the environment) compensating for the weakness in other parts.

Barbariax wrote:Barbariax thanks Ranisum for the effort in replying point-by-point with supporting evidence, and sends congratulations on the successful repeal.

Barbariax also thanks Ranisum for the lesson to not take the WA very seriously. The ambassador from Barbariax expresses their hope that Ranisum may be open to future productive cultural exchanges.


Eh, it wasn't exactly the lesson I mean to impart, but I guess I'll take it? To be fair, this:
Barbariax notes that Ransium makes some rather strong assumptions and character attacks based on a simple statement.
was an entirely accurate statement and I therefore invited your strong defense of your position.
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Lang Queskiya
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Postby Lang Queskiya » Sat May 04, 2019 10:39 pm

Following the resolution and support; our biologists, historians, and politicians request comment.

It is a Lang Queskiyian belief that human and sapient species are a part of evolution, and thus extinction of certain species for the benefit of themselves is negligible.

Another argument presented by the Lang Queskiyian academic biologists is bacterial and fungal evolution. It occurs at such a rapid rate that any culture could be isolated and declared an endangered species.
It could be argued that an amendment should be made to section 6 of this bill to appease the academics, at the very least.
Corporate biologists think this is an amazing bill that will allow funding from the administrative district to flood into their GMO research and enforce propagation of their crops.

Historians and politicians request comment on their evolution beliefs.
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Postby Kenmoria » Sun May 05, 2019 2:30 am

Lang Queskiya wrote:Following the resolution and support; our biologists, historians, and politicians request comment.

It is a Lang Queskiyian belief that human and sapient species are a part of evolution, and thus extinction of certain species for the benefit of themselves is negligible.

Another argument presented by the Lang Queskiyian academic biologists is bacterial and fungal evolution. It occurs at such a rapid rate that any culture could be isolated and declared an endangered species.
It could be argued that an amendment should be made to section 6 of this bill to appease the academics, at the very least.
Corporate biologists think this is an amazing bill that will allow funding from the administrative district to flood into their GMO research and enforce propagation of their crops.

Historians and politicians request comment on their evolution beliefs.

(OOC: Both of those phenomena are entirely natural, and are not the result of actions by sapient people done deliberately. As such, the extinction of prior species would fall under clarification 7.)
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Barbariax
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Postby Barbariax » Sun May 05, 2019 10:17 am

Does this resolution include a punishment for failing to prevent artificial species extinction? If not, the resolution is gutless and can be ignored even if implemented.

Barbariax maintains its position against this resolution, and in the meantime may be ramping up industrial projects prior to this resolution's approval. HAHA, let's exterminate them now while--Excuse us, that staffer will be properly disciplined.

This resolution is restricting of individual freedoms and represents an authoritarian approach to mandating overbearing regulations, which Barbariax cannot support and urges other nations in the WA not to support. In addition, the requirements from this resolution will fall very unevenly among member nations depending on the varying biodiversity levels between jurisdictions. Some nations will face a far higher burden than other nations, and even with WA support is unacceptable--such action should be voluntary and not mandatory.

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Postby Kenmoria » Sun May 05, 2019 10:22 am

Barbariax wrote:Does this resolution include a punishment for failing to prevent artificial species extinction? If not, the resolution is gutless and can be ignored even if implemented.

(OOC: Failure to comply with any GA resolution will result in heavy fines for WA nations, along with the possibility of sanctions. Also, it’s poor roleplaying.)
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Postby Wilhelmland » Sun May 05, 2019 12:12 pm

There are over 900,000 species of insects. Would this proposal mean that each one of these 900,000+ species must be catalogued and considered anytime any business decision is made?

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Postby Ransium » Sun May 05, 2019 12:40 pm

Wilhelmland wrote:There are over 900,000 species of insects. Would this proposal mean that each one of these 900,000+ species must be catalogued and considered anytime any business decision is made?


Short answer: No.

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Postby Vrama » Sun May 05, 2019 4:10 pm

Namaste,

His Most Sacred Majesty Aryan Shakra, Beloved of the Gods, wishes me to inform the General Assembly that Vrama is in favour of the resolution. The Maharaja believes in protecting endangered species and the environment.
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Nikitan
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Postby Nikitan » Mon May 06, 2019 4:26 am

I think I am against this

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Republica JIM
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Postby Republica JIM » Mon May 06, 2019 5:32 am

Nikitan wrote:I think I am against this

La prevención de la extinción de especies (WA) podría destruir nuestras industrias y fábricas!

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Postby LandofBambi » Mon May 06, 2019 6:55 am

This is outrageous. Clearly crossing the line of national sovereignty and self determination. Our priorities are our own. The WA has no place in dictating economic policies, even if some frog has to move from its pond, on its member states.

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Postby Kenmoria » Mon May 06, 2019 7:14 am

LandofBambi wrote:This is outrageous. Clearly crossing the line of national sovereignty and self determination. Our priorities are our own. The WA has no place in dictating economic policies, even if some frog has to move from its pond, on its member states.

“The World Assembly’s purpose is to cross the line of national sovereignty, and improve the world one resolution at a time by doing so. If you don’t like this line of functioning, then there is nothing compelling your nation to remain in this institution.”
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Postby LandofBambi » Mon May 06, 2019 7:33 am

Kenmoria wrote:
LandofBambi wrote:This is outrageous. Clearly crossing the line of national sovereignty and self determination. Our priorities are our own. The WA has no place in dictating economic policies, even if some frog has to move from its pond, on its member states.

“The World Assembly’s purpose is to cross the line of national sovereignty, and improve the world one resolution at a time by doing so. If you don’t like this line of functioning, then there is nothing compelling your nation to remain in this institution.”


Unfortunately the WA has too many members and sets international praxis, whether or not sovereign independent countries like it or not. And until the WA has been abolished as the collectivist socialist construction that it is, taking part, and objecting to the standards it sets, is the only feasible option for smaller countries like ourselves.

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Postby Marxist Germany » Mon May 06, 2019 9:06 am

LandofBambi wrote:
Kenmoria wrote:“The World Assembly’s purpose is to cross the line of national sovereignty, and improve the world one resolution at a time by doing so. If you don’t like this line of functioning, then there is nothing compelling your nation to remain in this institution.”


Unfortunately the WA has too many members and sets international praxis, whether or not sovereign independent countries like it or not. And until the WA has been abolished as the collectivist socialist construction that it is, taking part, and objecting to the standards it sets, is the only feasible option for smaller countries like ourselves.

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Postby Republica JIM » Mon May 06, 2019 11:10 am

LandofBambi wrote:This is outrageous. Clearly crossing the line of national sovereignty and self determination. Our priorities are our own. The WA has no place in dictating economic policies, even if some frog has to move from its pond, on its member states.

Well say, this proposal will destroy our factories!!

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Postby Republica JIM » Mon May 06, 2019 4:12 pm

Vrama wrote:Namaste,

His Most Sacred Majesty Aryan Shakra, Beloved of the Gods, wishes me to inform the General Assembly that Vrama is in favour of the resolution. The Maharaja believes in protecting endangered species and the environment.

at the expense of the economy of our Countries!!!

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Postby Wallenburg » Mon May 06, 2019 7:45 pm

LandofBambi wrote:This is outrageous. Clearly crossing the line of national sovereignty and self determination. Our priorities are our own. The WA has no place in dictating economic policies, even if some frog has to move from its pond, on its member states.

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Postby Grug Island » Mon May 06, 2019 8:53 pm

Republica JIM wrote:
Vrama wrote:Namaste,

His Most Sacred Majesty Aryan Shakra, Beloved of the Gods, wishes me to inform the General Assembly that Vrama is in favour of the resolution. The Maharaja believes in protecting endangered species and the environment.

at the expense of the economy of our Countries!!!

Grug want to see shiny rocks protect you when Grug make you extinct

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Postby Lang Queskiya » Mon May 06, 2019 11:25 pm

Kenmoria wrote:(OOC: Both of those phenomena are entirely natural, and are not the result of actions by sapient people done deliberately. As such, the extinction of prior species would fall under clarification 7.)

OOC
we could get into a biological/quantum debate easily here. How are we to know they are endangered species if they are/not measured?
I think the more proper addendum would be Prokaryotic species being excluded while eukaryotes being protected.
If we wanted to be real sticklers we could extend my first sentence to insects or really rare species, some are not measured but are in-fact impacted by human fluxes such as dam and nitrogen run off.
Realistically my second line is the proper solution, but I still believe that sapient species have a real and coherent impact on their environment not just rape and pillage as one might believe.

As a result of this bill massive funding would have to be implemented to document species at risk, regardless of how it is written.
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Postby Kenmoria » Mon May 06, 2019 11:33 pm

Lang Queskiya wrote:
Kenmoria wrote:(OOC: Both of those phenomena are entirely natural, and are not the result of actions by sapient people done deliberately. As such, the extinction of prior species would fall under clarification 7.)

OOC
we could get into a biological/quantum debate easily here. How are we to know they are endangered species if they are/not measured?
I think the more proper addendum would be Prokaryotic species being excluded while eukaryotes being protected.
If we wanted to be real sticklers we could extend my first sentence to insects or really rare species, some are not measured but are in-fact impacted by human fluxes such as dam and nitrogen run off.
Realistically my second line is the proper solution, but I still believe that sapient species have a real and coherent impact on their environment not just rape and pillage as one might believe.

As a result of this bill massive funding would have to be implemented to document species at risk, regardless of how it is written.

(OOC: Yes, I can now see that there is a certain problem with the protection of very small species and prokaryotes. There is also an issue regarding taking unnecessary steps to protect non-harmful bacteria. Although they aren’t dangerous so aren’t covered by any of the exceptions, it is silly to have to spend thousands protecting them. I did vote against anyway, for IC reasons but now I would probably abstain if I voted OOC.)
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Postby Ransium » Tue May 07, 2019 6:37 am

Eukaryotes can be equally single celled and microscopic I’m not sure why that’s the distinction you’d want. Regardless most known single celled organisms are very well distributed (often globally) or highly associated with higher life forms. Find me a single real world example of an known endangered prokaryotic organism that isn’t highly associated with a higher life form.

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Postby Kenmoria » Tue May 07, 2019 10:56 am

Ransium wrote:Eukaryotes can be equally single celled and microscopic I’m not sure why that’s the distinction you’d want. Regardless most known single celled organisms are very well distributed (often globally) or highly associated with higher life forms. Find me a single real world example of an known endangered prokaryotic organism that isn’t highly associated with a higher life form.

(OOC: What do you mean by ‘highly associated with’?)
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Kenmoria is Laissez-Faire on economy but centre-left on social issues
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Not in the WA despite coincidentally following nearly all resolutions
This is due to a problem with how the WA contradicts democracy
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Current ambassador: James Lewitt

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Postby Republica JIM » Tue May 07, 2019 5:43 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
LandofBambi wrote:This is outrageous. Clearly crossing the line of national sovereignty and self determination. Our priorities are our own. The WA has no place in dictating economic policies, even if some frog has to move from its pond, on its member states.

"The door is over there," Ogenbond says, motioning to the exit.

no, proposals have to be debated. This proposal goes against our people and our economy!!!!

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Postby Republica JIM » Tue May 07, 2019 5:44 pm

Grug Island wrote:
Republica JIM wrote:at the expense of the economy of our Countries!!!

Grug want to see shiny rocks protect you when Grug make you extinct

This proposal wiil make Millions and millios of new pour people!!

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Tue May 07, 2019 5:59 pm

Republica JIM wrote:
Grug Island wrote:Grug want to see shiny rocks protect you when Grug make you extinct

This proposal wiil make Millions and millios of new pour people!!

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