Hundreds quarantined for measles in 2 CA universities.

[Kowani]

The public policy debate on vaccination should just talk and act past anti-vaxxers. Just ignore their noise altogether. They're worse than a dead weight as far as public health policy is concerned. Make vaccinations mandatory. And for heaven's sake, implement some universal health care that covers it all.

No.

Why not?

[Chernoslavia]

A homeless problem? In California? The liberal utopia? The American soviet?

The grand poobah of bullshit? Satans own playground?

Nooooo...really?

And the same state where a politician has denied a private citizen from using his own money to build small homes for the homeless.

[Chernoslavia]

No.

Why not?

1. Pointing guns at people and forcing them to have fluids pumped into them, you don't see a problem with that?
2. Because it's aweful, the medical services are lack luster and drives up the costs for even the most basic medicines.

[Chernoslavia]

And what fresh hell is this where people are being forcefully quarantined whether they have measles or not?

[Esternial]

Some people only learn the hard way - it's just sad that they involve others in their paranoia/pride-fueled crusade against vaccines.

[Kowani]

Why not?

1. Pointing guns at people and forcing them to have fluids pumped into them, you don't see a problem with that?

Considering that those fluids are directly responsible for saving lives, and by not having said fluids you are directly endangering others who physically cannot have said fluids, no.

2. Because it's aweful, the medical services are lack luster and drives up the costs for even the most basic medicines.

Citation needed.

[Loben]

What happened to “my body my choice”

[Chernoslavia]

1. Pointing guns at people and forcing them to have fluids pumped into them, you don't see a problem with that?

Considering that those fluids are directly responsible for saving lives, and by not having said fluids you are directly endangering others who physically cannot have said fluids, no.

2. Because it's aweful, the medical services are lack luster and drives up the costs for even the most basic medicines.

Citation needed.

1. So deny them from going to schools or government facilities. Pointing a gun to their heads and telling them to do so will only make you look bad especially if they don't even have measles. Also, restricting anyone from any human contact just because they haven't got vaxxed is also a human rights violation.

2. https://mises.org/library/truth-about-swedencare
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 28101.html
https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... tion-study
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/arti ... er-US.html

[Telconi]

What happened to “my body my choice”

Nothing, they reserve the right to break out any and all hypocritical tag-lines to argue against policies they dislike.

[Kowani]

Considering that those fluids are directly responsible for saving lives, and by not having said fluids you are directly endangering others who physically cannot have said fluids, no.

Citation needed.

1. So deny them from going to schools or government facilities. Pointing a gun to their heads and telling them to do so will only make you look bad especially if they don't even have measles. Also, restricting anyone from any human contact just because they haven't got vaxxed is also a human rights violation.

Or outside. Until you solve it problem of evolution, autoimmune disorders, elderly people, the poor and babies, antivaxxers constitute a direct threat to all of these classes of people.

2. https://mises.org/library/truth-about-swedencare

Ignoring the fact that this is a heavily biased source for a moment, this is all anecdotal evidence. Additionally, if the service was of such poor quality, you’d see a massive push to privatize it. Which we don’t. On top of that, Sweden has a very high amount of elderly people who surprisingly, require more healthcare.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 28101.html

From your source: “The King's Fund also found severe cuts to sexual health funding, despite increasing demand for the service.” “It is a desperate situation that will only get worse unless the Government gives our health service the long-term investment it needs.”
Well no shit. If you defund the service of course it’s going to do worse.
And from the study they cited: “With acute services such as hip replacement and neonatal care relatively protected so far, while some community-based and public health services like GUM and district nursing have been cut,”

Have been cut, have been cut. Notice a pattern yet?

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... tion-study

The health minister David Mowat said: “These claims are both unreliable and misleading. The latest official figures show that nine in 10 patients still wait less than 18 weeks for treatment, despite the fact that last year the NHS carried out 1.6m more operations than in 2010.”

“Fewer than 1% of operations were cancelled on short notice – stable despite this rising activity – and the number of people waiting more than a year has dropped by nearly 18,000 under this government.”

An NHS England spokesman said: “We have significant concerns about this report, which is both misleading and statistically flawed, and is based on a fundamental misunderstanding of the referral-to-treatment performance standard. Waits for an NHS operation remain close to an all-time low – down from a maximum wait of 18 months over a decade ago to 18 weeks now, with the average wait less than 10 weeks.

“Last month, more than nine out of 10 patients were waiting less than 18 weeks to start consultant-led treatment. We continue to make strides in cutting long waits, with the number of patients waiting over a year slashed from over 5,000 recorded in March 2012 to being in the hundreds now.

“In the last five years, since June 2011, the NHS has reduced the number of patients waiting more than a year for treatment by over 12,000.”

10/10 points.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/arti ... er-US.html

Really, 2003? The NHS definitely hasn’t changed since then, no…

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

And what fresh hell is this where people are being forcefully quarantined whether they have measles or not?

That's... That's what a quarantine is. You keep everyone out of the general population unless and until you are absolutely certain of who does and does not have the disease. This is SOP.

[Dooom35796821595]

What happened to “my body my choice”

It’s not their bodies, it’s their children their bodies. They were given vaccinations by their more responsible parents.

[Thermodolia]

And what fresh hell is this where people are being forcefully quarantined whether they have measles or not?

Because that’s how you stop the spread of disease and outbreaks. You quarantine everyone in the effected area

[Thermodolia]

Considering that those fluids are directly responsible for saving lives, and by not having said fluids you are directly endangering others who physically cannot have said fluids, no.

Citation needed.

1. So deny them from going to schools or government facilities. Pointing a gun to their heads and telling them to do so will only make you look bad especially if they don't even have measles. Also, restricting anyone from any human contact just because they haven't got vaxxed is also a human rights violation.

You do realize that mandatory vaccinations doesn’t mean a gun to your head right? Or are you just going to be overly dramatic per the usual?

2. https://mises.org/library/truth-about-swedencare
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 28101.html
https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... tion-study
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/arti ... er-US.html

You do realize that single payer healthcare isn’t the only form of universal healthcare right? Germany has one of the best healthcare systems in the world and it’s not single payer yet it’s universal

[Badb Catha]

The failure of the Federal Government to respond appropriately to the Anti-Vaccine Movement is inexcusable. This is a culture of ignorance manifested in the form of a public health crisis and should be taken far more seriously. It is the obligation of lawmakers to draw up, submit, and approve any and all legislation to combat the spread of this dangerous misinformation before more unprotected youth fall victim to it. Any refusal to do so is a failure of their duty to their constituents.

[The Black Party]

a n o t h e r ebpic v i c t o r y r o y a l e for the anti-vax community!!

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

a n o t h e r ebpic v i c t o r y r o y a l e for the anti-vax community!!

I need to save this.

[Liriena]

The public policy debate on vaccination should just talk and act past anti-vaxxers. Just ignore their noise altogether. They're worse than a dead weight as far as public health policy is concerned. Make vaccinations mandatory. And for heaven's sake, implement some universal health care that covers it all.

No.

GUBMENT HEALTHCARE BAD

[Liriena]

Why not?

1. Pointing guns at people and forcing them to have fluids pumped into them, you don't see a problem with that?
2. Because it's aweful, the medical services are lack luster and drives up the costs for even the most basic medicines.

1. If it's to prevent the resurgence of noted child-killers like polio? No.
2. Every single country with universal healthcare spends less than y'all do and the majority of "developed" nations with universal healthcare provide better overall care. Sit down.

[Liriena]

1. So deny them from going to schools or government facilities. Pointing a gun to their heads and telling them to do so will only make you look bad especially if they don't even have measles. Also, restricting anyone from any human contact just because they haven't got vaxxed is also a human rights violation.

You do realize that mandatory vaccinations doesn’t mean a gun to your head right? Or are you just going to be overly dramatic per the usual?

2. https://mises.org/library/truth-about-swedencare
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 28101.html
https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... tion-study
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/arti ... er-US.html

You do realize that single payer healthcare isn’t the only form of universal healthcare right? Germany has one of the best healthcare systems in the world and it’s not single payer yet it’s universal

Also, funny how Chernoslavia never even mentions the French, Icelandic or Norwegian healthcare systems. I wonder why.

Also, shitting on the NHS without acknowledging the fact that most of its current problems can be traced back to conservatives purposefully starving the system of proper funding in an attempt to justify its privatization. Because what is the right-wing death cult against universal healthcare without a healthy dose of dishonesty?

[Liriena]

What happened to “my body my choice”

Children are not their parents' bodies.

[The Black Forrest]

Why not?

1. Pointing guns at people and forcing them to have fluids pumped into them, you don't see a problem with that?
2. Because it's aweful, the medical services are lack luster and drives up the costs for even the most basic medicines.

1) A vaccine for a contagious disease which had a habbit of killing people and was announced eliminated in the US two decades ago......Yes. I have no problem with it. The only time you should be exempt if you have condition where a DOCTOR would not advise getting it.
2) Of course you have sources for that eh?

[Kowani]

1. Pointing guns at people and forcing them to have fluids pumped into them, you don't see a problem with that?
2. Because it's aweful, the medical services are lack luster and drives up the costs for even the most basic medicines.

1) A vaccine for a contagious disease which had a habbit of killing people and was announced eliminated in the US two decades ago......Yes. I have no problem with it. The only time you should be exempt if you have condition where a DOCTOR would not advise getting it.
2) Of course you have sources for that eh?

He posted them earlier. They were, of course, crap, but they were there.

[The Black Forrest]

What happened to “my body my choice”

That kind of ends with contagious diseases.

[The Black Forrest]

1) A vaccine for a contagious disease which had a habbit of killing people and was announced eliminated in the US two decades ago......Yes. I have no problem with it. The only time you should be exempt if you have condition where a DOCTOR would not advise getting it.
2) Of course you have sources for that eh?

He posted them earlier. They were, of course, crap, but they were there.

I admit not going back :| Did it continue the usual antivax nonsense?