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by Eternal Yerushalayim » Sun Oct 17, 2010 5:49 am
by Volnotov » Sun Oct 17, 2010 6:03 am
by Gravlen » Sun Oct 17, 2010 6:15 am
Helertia wrote:I regard property rights secondary to other rights. Living with no property rights in a Democracy allows me to attempt to change the system, and probably win. Living with property rights in a dictatorship, I can't change any part of the system and I'll probably get myself killed whilst arguing for free speech.
by Helertia » Sun Oct 17, 2010 6:29 am
by Person012345 » Sun Oct 17, 2010 6:31 am
Occupied Deutschland wrote:From the "freer the market..." thread.
Who here thinks property rights are the most important rights we have, why? Why not?
Personally, I do believe this. "Property Rights" means that one is entitled to what one produces or earns. In a short definition, it's what one 'has'. So, you're right to life is protected under the phrase property rights. Anything that restricts you're life (smoking, drinking, sexing, texting, sexting, drinxting (ala the gubmint)) is therefore restricitng your property rights.
by Siromizu » Sun Oct 17, 2010 7:07 am
The Cat-Tribe wrote:Siromizu wrote:If they got it before anyone else did/produced it with their own labour/engaged in consensual exchange for it, then it's theirs. Other people have the "right" to do those things in order to get their own or someone else's.
The highlighted sentences make a number of dubious assumptions that you don't explain or justify.
by Hamilay » Sun Oct 17, 2010 7:43 am
by Andaluciae » Sun Oct 17, 2010 8:11 am
FreeAgency wrote:Shellfish eating used to be restricted to dens of sin such as Red Lobster and Long John Silvers, but now days I cannot even take my children to a public restaurant anymore (even the supposedly "family friendly ones") without risking their having to watch some deranged individual flaunting his sin...
by The Cat-Tribe » Mon Oct 18, 2010 10:00 am
Bendira wrote:I said it earlier, so I will say it again. Rights don't exist in the real world, they are a creation of mankind. I would argue there are many rights that are biologically universal, but thats irrelevant. The point is, if rights don't exist, where do they come from? They extend from property rights. If you are on somebody else's property, they can dictate what you can and cannot do there. Conversely if they are on your property, you can tell them what they can and cannot do. You do not need to view this as a utopian scenario, because it exists in the United States right now. The U.S. government allows us to purchase land, but we really are renting it. Thats where taxation and laws about what you can and cannot do on your land come from. The U.S. government owns a little bit of all the land, and as a result they can dictate what rights we have and do not have. The way property rights are enforced, is of course by who has the guns. Ultimately, rights extend from who has the guns, and who controls the property via the guns. The idea that this concept is a "Rothbardian Fallacy" is absurd. Its quite clear that rights extend from land ownership. Unless you are a christain nutcase that thinks rights actually exist independently, im not sure how you could refute anything ive said.
by Jello Biafra » Mon Oct 18, 2010 10:03 am
Occupied Deutschland wrote:From the "freer the market..." thread.
Who here thinks property rights are the most important rights we have, why? Why not?
Personally, I do believe this. "Property Rights" means that one is entitled to what one produces or earns. In a short definition, it's what one 'has'. So, you're right to life is protected under the phrase property rights. Anything that restricts you're life (smoking, drinking, sexing, texting, sexting, drinxting (ala the gubmint)) is therefore restricitng your property rights.
by Grave_n_idle » Mon Oct 18, 2010 11:00 am
New Nicksyllvania wrote:Property rights are the reason why civilisation exists in the first place.
It was easy enough for neolithic humans to feed themselves, around 3 hours, indeed there was no point in agriculture without property rights.
Thanks to property rights those who owned land whipped the local nomads into farming, hence leading to specialisation.
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