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by Davelands » Mon Apr 22, 2019 5:19 am
by Greater vakolicci haven » Mon Apr 22, 2019 5:21 am
Bachtendekuppen wrote:That this could've been handled better by both parties, including TEP, is kicking in an open door. We'll have to assess that internally. That being said, WW or however he is made quite the error in judgement and any further position in TEP is clearly not tenable, "quietly" or not.
by Cormactopia Prime » Mon Apr 22, 2019 5:50 am
Davelands wrote:I'm really not seeing why this is such a "TEP is Wrong" thing.
Fron what I heard, the agreement was for CS to quietly leave the region and not mention anything about his deceptions. In return, we would not launch a public ban trial for lying on our Public Disclosure Form and Citizenship app. This was agreed to by both parties.
Then, at 6:30 pm on Sunday, CS decides to post the grandiose "I'm Sorry" dispatch, thereby breaking the agreement. Tim responded with this thread at 7:00 pm.
Now, was this a shining moment in the history of TEP? No.
Is it a big deal? Also no.
Is it worthy of 3 forum pages of discourse? Probably not, but Gameplay has been quiet for a while and I guess any activity is good activity.
Am I going to continue to ask and answer my own questions? I promise I'll stop.
by The Greatest Bestest Nation » Mon Apr 22, 2019 6:55 am
Davelands wrote:I'm really not seeing why this is such a "TEP is Wrong" thing.
Fron what I heard, the agreement was for CS to quietly leave the region and not mention anything about his deceptions. In return, we would not launch a public ban trial for lying on our Public Disclosure Form and Citizenship app. This was agreed to by both parties.
Then, at 6:30 pm on Sunday, CS decides to post the grandiose "I'm Sorry" dispatch, thereby breaking the agreement. Tim responded with this thread at 7:00 pm.
Now, was this a shining moment in the history of TEP? No.
Is it a big deal? Also no.
Is it worthy of 3 forum pages of discourse? Probably not, but Gameplay has been quiet for a while and I guess any activity is good activity.
Am I going to continue to ask and answer my own questions? I promise I'll stop.
by Nakarisaune » Mon Apr 22, 2019 7:00 am
Davelands wrote:I'm really not seeing why this is such a "TEP is Wrong" thing.
Fron what I heard, the agreement was for CS to quietly leave the region and not mention anything about his deceptions. In return, we would not launch a public ban trial for lying on our Public Disclosure Form and Citizenship app. This was agreed to by both parties.
Then, at 6:30 pm on Sunday, CS decides to post the grandiose "I'm Sorry" dispatch, thereby breaking the agreement. Tim responded with this thread at 7:00 pm.
Now, was this a shining moment in the history of TEP? No.
Is it a big deal? Also no.
Is it worthy of 3 forum pages of discourse? Probably not, but Gameplay has been quiet for a while and I guess any activity is good activity.
Am I going to continue to ask and answer my own questions? I promise I'll stop.
by Elegarth » Mon Apr 22, 2019 9:44 am
by Greater vakolicci haven » Mon Apr 22, 2019 9:49 am
Elegarth wrote:If this has happened to the supposed good guys (Osiris, Laz, etc) all of GP would be bandwagonning to slay CS / WW.
But it happened to TEP, which is not very much liked right now, so you are ALL bandwagonning AGAINST TEP.
Classy, GP. Keep it up.
by Altino » Mon Apr 22, 2019 10:13 am
by Tim Stark » Mon Apr 22, 2019 10:52 am
<Koth - 06/30/2020> I mean as far as GPers go, Tim is one of the most iconic
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by Unibot III » Mon Apr 22, 2019 12:09 pm
Tim Stark wrote:Hello mountain builders, y'all have some real nice molehills lying around here.
Here's the skinny. A very unfortunate miscommunication occurred, so I was unaware Fedele had promised Crystalsummer no statement. Obviously, had I known the Delegate had made that assurance, I wouldn't have then gone and done it. Given the situation, I called an audible during a period where Fedele was pre-occupied with Easter festivities. It didn't reflect the official stance of The East Pacific or our present administration as a whole. As an Administration we'll be standing by not making a statement, and I personally apologize for the unauthorized statement I personally made.
[violet] wrote:I mean this in the best possible way,
but Unibot is not a typical NS player.
Milograd wrote:You're a caring, resolute lunatic
with the best of intentions.
by Bormiar » Mon Apr 22, 2019 12:13 pm
Unibot III wrote:Tim Stark wrote:Hello mountain builders, y'all have some real nice molehills lying around here.
Here's the skinny. A very unfortunate miscommunication occurred, so I was unaware Fedele had promised Crystalsummer no statement. Obviously, had I known the Delegate had made that assurance, I wouldn't have then gone and done it. Given the situation, I called an audible during a period where Fedele was pre-occupied with Easter festivities. It didn't reflect the official stance of The East Pacific or our present administration as a whole. As an Administration we'll be standing by not making a statement, and I personally apologize for the unauthorized statement I personally made.
That OP definitely looks like an official statement.
by Elfine » Mon Apr 22, 2019 12:29 pm
Davelands wrote:I'm really not seeing why this is such a "TEP is Wrong" thing.
Fron what I heard, the agreement was for CS to quietly leave the region and not mention anything about his deceptions. In return, we would not launch a public ban trial for lying on our Public Disclosure Form and Citizenship app. This was agreed to by both parties.
Then, at 6:30 pm on Sunday, CS decides to post the grandiose "I'm Sorry" dispatch, thereby breaking the agreement. Tim responded with this thread at 7:00 pm.
Now, was this a shining moment in the history of TEP? No.
Is it a big deal? Also no.
Is it worthy of 3 forum pages of discourse? Probably not, but Gameplay has been quiet for a while and I guess any activity is good activity.
Am I going to continue to ask and answer my own questions? I promise I'll stop.
by Elfine » Mon Apr 22, 2019 12:37 pm
ELfiNE wrote:I feel like I need to say that this condition was never given by Fedele, whose logs were screencapped an hour and a half after the discussion with Tim. Meaning that most likely, Tim alone is the one that probably decided to make this thread. Whack.
Tim Stark wrote:Hello mountain builders, y'all have some real nice molehills lying around here.
Here's the skinny. A very unfortunate miscommunication occurred, so I was unaware Fedele had promised Crystalsummer no statement. Obviously, had I known the Delegate had made that assurance, I wouldn't have then gone and done it. Given the situation, I called an audible during a period where Fedele was pre-occupied with Easter festivities. It didn't reflect the official stance of The East Pacific or our present administration as a whole. As an Administration we'll be standing by not making a statement, and I personally apologize for the unauthorized statement I personally made.
by Elegarth » Mon Apr 22, 2019 12:52 pm
by Cormactopia Prime » Mon Apr 22, 2019 1:01 pm
Tim Stark wrote:Hello mountain builders, y'all have some real nice molehills lying around here.
Here's the skinny. A very unfortunate miscommunication occurred, so I was unaware Fedele had promised Crystalsummer no statement. Obviously, had I known the Delegate had made that assurance, I wouldn't have then gone and done it. Given the situation, I called an audible during a period where Fedele was pre-occupied with Easter festivities. It didn't reflect the official stance of The East Pacific or our present administration as a whole. As an Administration we'll be standing by not making a statement, and I personally apologize for the unauthorized statement I personally made.
by Miporin » Mon Apr 22, 2019 4:18 pm
Tim Stark wrote:Hello mountain builders, y'all have some real nice molehills lying around here.
Here's the skinny. A very unfortunate miscommunication occurred, so I was unaware Fedele had promised Crystalsummer no statement. Obviously, had I known the Delegate had made that assurance, I wouldn't have then gone and done it. Given the situation, I called an audible during a period where Fedele was pre-occupied with Easter festivities. It didn't reflect the official stance of The East Pacific or our present administration as a whole. As an Administration we'll be standing by not making a statement, and I personally apologize for the unauthorized statement I personally made.
by The Church of Satan » Mon Apr 22, 2019 5:42 pm
Elegarth wrote:If this has happened to the supposed good guys (Osiris, Laz, etc) all of GP would be bandwagonning to slay CS / WW.
But it happened to TEP, which is not very much liked right now, so you are ALL bandwagonning AGAINST TEP.
Classy, GP. Keep it up.
Tim Stark wrote:Hello mountain builders, y'all have some real nice molehills lying around here.
Here's the skinny. A very unfortunate miscommunication occurred, so I was unaware Fedele had promised Crystalsummer no statement. Obviously, had I known the Delegate had made that assurance, I wouldn't have then gone and done it. Given the situation, I called an audible during a period where Fedele was pre-occupied with Easter festivities. It didn't reflect the official stance of The East Pacific or our present administration as a whole. As an Administration we'll be standing by not making a statement, and I personally apologize for the unauthorized statement I personally made.
Cormactopia Prime wrote:I remember what I used to do as Pharaoh of Osiris when one of my ministers went rogue and did something that embarrassed us without authorization...
by New Rogernomics » Mon Apr 22, 2019 8:18 pm
Lazarus isn't at all involved in this, as we don't know enough to form an opinion nor have we been contacted on this matter as far as I can tell. It would be sort of a stretch to imply that withholding judgment on this affair before all facts are on the table, is disrespectful to the internal politics of TEP.Elegarth wrote:If this has happened to the supposed good guys (Osiris, Laz, etc) all of GP would be bandwagonning to slay CS / WW.
But it happened to TEP, which is not very much liked right now, so you are ALL bandwagonning AGAINST TEP.
Classy, GP. Keep it up.
by Pierconium » Tue Apr 23, 2019 1:41 am
Latin Islands wrote:Crystalsummer wrote:(Image)
Dear Nationstates, and the gaming community,
My name is Crystalaummer. I am the founder of The Free Nations Region. I have a huge confession to make. I went by the name Wonder Woman, and Mysterious Wonder. While I am not proud to admit this, I want to say I did not commit any malicious behavior. Wonder Woman was created back in August of 2017. Originally created as a role playing nation, it became even more when I got involved with the TEP community.
I played 2 nations and I kept them separate. I went completely inactive in my Crystalsummer identity, when I became Wonder Woman.
All my actions were exclusively in-character, not out-of-character. I did not make any OOC friends, I did not catfish anyone. I put 100% effort into my time in TEP. When I was the Minister of Immigration, Minister of Foreign Affairs, and an Arbiter, I did not try to coup the region. I worked all my extra time to benefit the TEP community, and give back to a region that gave me so much. On April 19, 2019, I decided that I would hide no longer. While I disappointed a lot of people, I want to say I am truly sorry for hiding who I really was. I have informed TEP and apologized for doing this, and I was told to quietly resign as a citizen of TEP or they will make this whole thing public. The fact that they allowed me to quietly resign as TEP citizen, without making this whole thing public, is because they did not deem me as an OOC threat. Because I am not. I did not make any OOC friends using Wonder Woman, I only vaguely alluded to being a college student studying Chemistry (which I am!)
I never catfished, or committed any malicious activity. I played the character and left it at that.
And Wonder Woman is a female Superhero from Marvel named Wonder Woman. I never said I was a girl in real life, but even if I said that, I don’t catfish, look for boyfriend, or anything shady. I NEVER befriended the same person with 2 identities (WonderWoman and Crystalsummer) to manipulate them. So no one was OOC manipulated by me.I did not join a region as a citizen using both WW and Crystalsummer.
I tried keeping both nation identities as separate as possible. For example, I used WonderWoman exclusively for regions. I never got citizenship for both WW and CrystalSummer in any 1 region.
The only “bad” OOC thing I have done, is play NS as a girl, but, in my opinion, GENDER does not matter. I never sought out boys or catfished boys.
I played as a Marvel Female Superhero, and acted entirely in-character, I didn’t commit malicious activity. I played the character and left it at that.
So please do not believe any OOC-related smear campaigns. Many people have infiltrated GCRs using a 2nd identity (some of them using female identities,) to try to coup that GCR. They got forgiven, without their reputations OOC ruined. I want you guys to know, I infiltrated a GCR using a 2nd identity, but I did not do anything malicious. I did not even plan to coup that GCR, nor did I want to. I earned my ranks ethically, and legitimately. The ONLY reason I used a 2nd identity to join that GCR, TEP, was because I was worried that my reputation was destroyed, because Defenders banned me from their Libcord Discord Server for hanging out with Raiders. I thought everyone hated me because of the Libcord-ban scenario, and I wanted to get involved in TEP but was afraid with my broken reputation, I’d be unable to do anything. I now understand that I was wrong, because I could have gotten the same ranks and positions, with my Crystalsummer identity. Now I understand that, it did not matter anywhere, that I had a bad reputation with Defenders for associating with Raiders, because TEP and other regions won’t care.
I apologize for my foolish mistake, and hope you forgive me, and accept me as both the Crystalsummer and WonderWoman nations. I mean no harm and I didn’t hurt anyone, since I didn’t make OOC friends using my other Wonder Woman account, I just did in-character government stuff. My last thing is this, I do want to thank all of the friends that I did make in SP, and TEP! Thank you for the opportunity I did have, and I want to say again I am sorry about I did. Please forgive me, and I hope someday I’ll be accepted in the community.
Thank you for your attention!
Umm...
Isn't Wonder Woman from DC?
by Lord Dominator » Tue Apr 23, 2019 6:16 am
by Indo-Malaysia » Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:32 am
by Bormiar » Tue Apr 23, 2019 9:45 am
Indo-Malaysia wrote:I am frankly quite disgusted by this whole situation.
A player wants a fresh start after getting a ban for ‘talking with raiders’ (lets be honest, moralism is six feet in the grave, and indie orgs are allowed in, so this makes zero sense), gets found out and is allowed to quietly resign. All of a sudden, TEP backtracks on this and Tim starts harassing Crystal via DM.
And now I hear that they are banned from Libcord by Tim, with apparently no intention of ever being let back in.
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