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by Bears Armed » Fri Apr 19, 2019 6:19 am
Alaande wrote:Cuba is screwed
by Novus America » Fri Apr 19, 2019 6:21 am
Asherahan wrote:Novus America wrote:
Nope.
Mutually Assured Destruction did not exist at the time.
“The Soviets at the time has very limited nuclear forces and delivery systems compared to the US
By the time of the crisis in October 1962, the total amount of nuclear weapons in the stockpiles of each country numbered approximately 26,400 for the United States and 3,300 for the Soviet Union. At the peak of the crisis, the U.S. had some 3,500 nuclear weapons ready to be used on command with a combined yield of approximately 6,300 megatons. The Soviets had considerably less strategic firepower at their disposal (some 300-320 bombs and warheads), lacking submarine-based weapons in a position to threaten the U.S. mainland and having most of their intercontinental delivery systems based on bombers that would have difficulty penetrating North American air defense systems. The U.S. had approximately 4,375 nuclear weapons deployed in Europe, most of which were tactical weapons such as nuclear artillery, with around 450 of them for ballistic missiles, cruise missiles, and aircraft; the Soviets had more than 550 similar weapons in Europe.[131][132]”
Moreover US forces were fully prepared for war but the Soviets
“the Russians were so thoroughly stood down, and we knew it. They didn't make any move. They did not increase their alert; they did not increase any flights, or their air defense posture. They didn't do a thing, they froze in place.”
It would be unilaterally, not mutually assured destruction.
Yeah keep telling yourself that.
by Asherahan » Fri Apr 19, 2019 6:26 am
Novus America wrote:Asherahan wrote:Yeah keep telling yourself that.
It is the simple facts. The Soviets were bluffing, and completely unprepared.
Note I do not share the same view as those in SAC wanting to use it to attack regardless of whether the Soviets negotiated not. What actually happened was the best option.
You were the one advocating the Soviets blunder into a war they knew they would lose. Not me.
by Novus America » Fri Apr 19, 2019 6:30 am
Asherahan wrote:Novus America wrote:
It is the simple facts. The Soviets were bluffing, and completely unprepared.
Note I do not share the same view as those in SAC wanting to use it to attack regardless of whether the Soviets negotiated not. What actually happened was the best option.
You were the one advocating the Soviets blunder into a war they knew they would lose. Not me.
I'm with Che on this.
by Bears Armed » Fri Apr 19, 2019 6:30 am
by Asherahan » Fri Apr 19, 2019 6:40 am
Novus America wrote:Asherahan wrote:I'm with Che on this.
Che had no idea what was going on.
He did not have any knowledge of Soviet nuclear capabilities (or the lack thereof).
So you actually think the Soviets should have tried to fight a nuclear war in which they were completely unprepared and outgunned in the name of some Posadist fantasy that nuclear war causes Communism?
by Novus America » Fri Apr 19, 2019 6:53 am
Asherahan wrote:Novus America wrote:
Che had no idea what was going on.
He did not have any knowledge of Soviet nuclear capabilities (or the lack thereof).
So you actually think the Soviets should have tried to fight a nuclear war in which they were completely unprepared and outgunned in the name of some Posadist fantasy that nuclear war causes Communism?
Well we lost by going the wait them out route.
by Asherahan » Fri Apr 19, 2019 6:55 am
by Novus America » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:00 am
by Asherahan » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:00 am
Novus America wrote:Asherahan wrote:Communists and the Extreme Left in General.
Well of course you lost, because you could not win.
And the best chance for the Soviets to win a war would be some time between 73 and 83.
But by then MAD was in place.
Trying a war in 62 would have not made things better you know.
by Novus America » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:05 am
Asherahan wrote:Novus America wrote:
Well of course you lost, because you could not win.
And the best chance for the Soviets to win a war would be some time between 73 and 83.
But by then MAD was in place.
Trying a war in 62 would have not made things better you know.
Well we are talking with what ifs. I will just wait for the next round to begin.
by Asherahan » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:05 am
by Novus America » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:11 am
by Asherahan » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:16 am
Novus America wrote:Asherahan wrote:Yeah but its the nearest what if we got.
The nearest to suicide maybe.
But that is saying what exactly?
“X was when I came closest to committing suicide, I really should have pulled the trigger then”.
Not seeing the logic.
Again if you are going with what ifs pick 79 or something. Well the Soviets still die though.
When you have the losing hand you fold, not double down.
by Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:27 am
by Impaled Nazarene » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:38 am
Kiaculta wrote:Oh, Kar, you silly sack of shit.
Soviet Haaregrad wrote:Bickering ist krieg.
Infected Mushroom wrote:isn't this a bit extreme?
Finland SSR wrote:"Many dictatorships are oligarchies.
Many democracies are oligarchies.
Therefore, many dictatorships are democracies."
-said no one ever. I made these words up.
Genivaria wrote:"WHY!? Why do this!? Thousands of planets and trillions of innocent lives gone! For what!?"
"It seemed like fun at the time."
by Greater La Habana Cuba and Miami Shores » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:51 am
by Impaled Nazarene » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:54 am
Greater La Habana Cuba and Miami Shores wrote:I swear I must be the only Cuban on NS - But I find that very hard to Believe - lol.
Your OP Thread Host:
Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba.
Greater La Habana Cuba and Miami Shores.
Kiaculta wrote:Oh, Kar, you silly sack of shit.
Soviet Haaregrad wrote:Bickering ist krieg.
Infected Mushroom wrote:isn't this a bit extreme?
Finland SSR wrote:"Many dictatorships are oligarchies.
Many democracies are oligarchies.
Therefore, many dictatorships are democracies."
-said no one ever. I made these words up.
Genivaria wrote:"WHY!? Why do this!? Thousands of planets and trillions of innocent lives gone! For what!?"
"It seemed like fun at the time."
by Greater La Habana Cuba and Miami Shores » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:59 am
Impaled Nazarene wrote:Greater La Habana Cuba and Miami Shores wrote:I swear I must be the only Cuban on NS - But I find that very hard to Believe - lol.
Your OP Thread Host:
Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba.
Greater La Habana Cuba and Miami Shores.
I express my solidarity with the Cuban People against the forces of Imperialism.
by LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:06 am
Impaled Nazarene wrote:Greater La Habana Cuba and Miami Shores wrote:I swear I must be the only Cuban on NS - But I find that very hard to Believe - lol.
Your OP Thread Host:
Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba.
Greater La Habana Cuba and Miami Shores.
I express my solidarity with the Cuban People against the forces of Imperialism.
by Impaled Nazarene » Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:10 am
Kiaculta wrote:Oh, Kar, you silly sack of shit.
Soviet Haaregrad wrote:Bickering ist krieg.
Infected Mushroom wrote:isn't this a bit extreme?
Finland SSR wrote:"Many dictatorships are oligarchies.
Many democracies are oligarchies.
Therefore, many dictatorships are democracies."
-said no one ever. I made these words up.
Genivaria wrote:"WHY!? Why do this!? Thousands of planets and trillions of innocent lives gone! For what!?"
"It seemed like fun at the time."
by Greater La Habana Cuba and Miami Shores » Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:11 am
by Novus America » Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:15 am
Impaled Nazarene wrote:LiberNovusAmericae wrote:That is code for you pledging your support for the dictatorship, thus proving that your "anarchism" is a lie.
Expressing support for the victims of imperialism and being an anarchist are not mutually exclusive.
And that's some really top shelf liquor you're reaching for there.
by LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:16 am
Impaled Nazarene wrote:LiberNovusAmericae wrote:That is code for you pledging your support for the dictatorship, thus proving that your "anarchism" is a lie.
Expressing support for the victims of imperialism and being an anarchist are not mutually exclusive.
And that's some really top shelf liquor you're reaching for there.
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