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Archipielago de Filipinas
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Founded: Apr 15, 2019
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Postby Archipielago de Filipinas » Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:49 am

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Full IC nation name: The Communes of the Philippine Archipelago
RP National population: 107,330,600
National leader: Representative of the Commune, Rodrigo Roa Duterte
Ideology of the current government: Federal anarcho-communist constitutional interregnum government

Political Parties
Name of main socialist/Marxist or other leftist political party that you are applying with: The Anarcommunist Party of the Philippines
Ideology of this party: Anarcho-communism, Marxism-Leninism, Titoism (market socialism)
Is this party and all leftists in your nation oppressed by the government, or are they in charge? The Anarcommunist Party is the largest and primary leftist party in the Philippines, but does not hold in the executive seats.
Any other leftist parties allowed in your nation? Yes; some examples are the Workers' Party of the Philippines (Trotskyism), Marxist Party of the Philippines (Maoism-Sisonism), and the Students' Democratic Party (Luxemburgism), among four other left-leaning major parties.
Number of registrants/members in leftist political party (or parties): 23,870,010 members in all leftist parties combined; 3,250,900 of them are from the Anarcommunist Party.

ISC Potential Membership
Full title and name of the Representative to the International Socialist Congress: Martin L. Zabrosa, Sr.
Full member or observer status? Full membership
Financial Contributor to the IS Congress? (Please state yearly contribution in NSD): $1.5 million/Q; $6.0 million/year
ISVC Contributor: (Sign up in above listed link if you would like to be) N
Other Information that may be helpful:
An archipelago but inhabited by English-speaking culturally-Indic Austronesians with names of Spanish and American origin, fond of eating Chinese cuisine. Indeed a land of Mr. And Ms. Worldwides.
Pro: Marxism-Maoism, Palestine, LGBTQ+, Christian socialism, humanism, procrastination
Anti: Nationalism, New Society (Marcos), Filipino liberals, religious conservatism, Hong Kong protests, procrastination

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The Cardwith Islands
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Posts: 412
Founded: Nov 05, 2012
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Postby The Cardwith Islands » Mon May 27, 2019 7:35 am

Acceptance still on hold, pending some clarification.

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The Cardwith Islands
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Postby The Cardwith Islands » Mon May 27, 2019 8:08 am

[OOC: This post is being used as a bump. Archipielago de Filipinas was accepted a while back. Thanks for your understanding.]

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The International Socialist Congress


To all of our Socialist and Marxist brethren and sisters!

We welcome you to the Congress in the acknowledgement that you have already been a dedicated activist in the cause of world socialism.
Welcome to our new representative:

The Honorable Representative Martin L. Zabrosa, Sr. of The Anarcommunist Party of The Communes of Archipielago de Filipinas

We look forward to working together to further the cause of socialism across the multiverse.

Trevor Obelanka
Chairman of The International Socialist Congress

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Mountain Pygmies
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Posts: 112
Founded: May 18, 2019
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Postby Mountain Pygmies » Tue May 28, 2019 12:55 am

Your Nation
Full IC nation name:The Confederacy Of Mountain Pygmies.
RP National population:35 million.
National leader:There are multiple leaders, as we are a league of city states.
Ideology of the current government:Anarcho-communism.


Political Parties
Name of main socialist/Marxist or other leftist political party that you are applying with:The Clans that make up our nation.
Ideology of this party:N/A.
Is this party and all leftists in your nation oppressed by the government, or are they in charge?In charge.
Any other leftist parties allowed in your nation?N/A.
Number of registrants/members in leftist political party (or parties):N/A.

ISC Potential Membership
Full title and name of the Representative to the International Socialist Congress:Nau Yao Yatla
Full member or observer status?Full member
Financial Contributor to the IS Congress? (Please state yearly contribution in NSD):10k of coal, steel and wool each.
ISVC Contributor: (Sign up in above listed link if you would like to be) (Y/N)Not yet.
Other Information that may be helpful:We participate in barter, and we have a gift economy.
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The Archipelago Territory
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Posts: 1963
Founded: May 17, 2019
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Postby The Archipelago Territory » Tue May 28, 2019 4:40 am

Your Nation
Full IC nation name: The Federal Republic of the Archipelago Territory
RP National population: 23,000,000
National leader: Austin Bailey
Ideology of the current government: Centrist

Political Parties conservative, liberal, capitalist, independent, opposition, environmentalists, Federalist Party, *Socialist Party*
Name of main socialist/Marxist or other leftist political party that you are applying with: Socialist Party (3 members in the House of Congress; 0 in senate)
Ideology of this party:
Is this party and all leftists in your nation oppressed by the government, or are they in charge? the gov. Respects political freedoms, so they are allowed, but not powerful at all.
Any other leftist parties allowed in your nation? yes, there are liberal and environmentalists parties, as well as some left-leaning independents
Number of registrants/members in leftist political party (or parties):
Socialist Party- 3 Liberal Party (not attending)- 224
ISC Potential Membership
Full title and name of the Representative to the International Socialist Congress: Mr. Larry Johnson
Full member or observer status? Full member
Financial Contributor to the IS Congress? (Please state yearly contribution in NSD): $10,000 federal dollars ($7500 NSD).
ISVC Contributor: (Sign up in above listed link if you would like to be) (Y/N)
Other Information that may be helpful: this mission is not approved or condemned by the government
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The Cardwith Islands
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Founded: Nov 05, 2012
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Postby The Cardwith Islands » Tue May 28, 2019 8:21 pm

Mountain Pygmies, even if it's not a traditional political party, is there any organization or loose collective that Nau Yao Yatla is able to represent to the Congress, besides your nation?

Archipelago Territory, what did you mean by 'no thank you' next to ISC Potential Membership when you're applying with a representative, Larry Johnson, for full membership? That makes no sense.

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Mountain Pygmies
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Founded: May 18, 2019
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Postby Mountain Pygmies » Wed May 29, 2019 12:54 am

The Cardwith Islands wrote:Mountain Pygmies, even if it's not a traditional political party, is there any organization or loose collective that Nau Yao Yatla is able to represent to the Congress, besides your nation?

Archipelago Territory, what did you mean by 'no thank you' next to ISC Potential Membership when you're applying with a representative, Larry Johnson, for full membership? That makes no sense.

Well... what about sending him on behalf of the clans that make up our nation.
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The Archipelago Territory
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Postby The Archipelago Territory » Wed May 29, 2019 4:12 am

The Cardwith Islands wrote:Mountain Pygmies, even if it's not a traditional political party, is there any organization or loose collective that Nau Yao Yatla is able to represent to the Congress, besides your nation?

Archipelago Territory, what did you mean by 'no thank you' next to ISC Potential Membership when you're applying with a representative, Larry Johnson, for full membership? That makes no sense.

Oh I didn’t know ISC meant international socialist congress that was stupid
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Of Herbshire
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Posts: 268
Founded: Nov 13, 2012
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Postby Of Herbshire » Wed May 29, 2019 8:04 am

Your Nation
Full IC nation name: The Commonwealth of Herbshire
RP National population: 101,000,000
National leader: Mordechai Yanukovich
Ideology of the current government: Centrist

Political Parties
Name of main socialist/Marxist or other leftist political party that you are applying with: Labour Party
Ideology of this party: Centre-left to left-wing, democratic socialism, pro-welfare
Is this party and all leftists in your nation oppressed by the government, or are they in charge?Yes, the party are currently in charge as a junior party in coalition.
Any other leftist parties allowed in your nation? Yes. For example, there's the People's Socialist Workers' Party (left to far-left, Karl-Marxism), Simland National Party (left-wing nationalism, Luxemburgism), Green Party (centre-left, environmentalism) and the Communist Party of Herbshire (far-left, Trotskyism and Leninism)
Number of registrants/members in leftist political party (or parties): Labour: 44,543,000

ISC Potential Membership
Full title and name of the Representative to the International Socialist Congress: Sir Ben Holzer
Full member or observer status? Full member
Financial Contributor to the IS Congress? (Please state yearly contribution in NSD): 8,356,000 NSD
ISVC Contributor: (Sign up in above listed link if you would like to be) (Y/N) Y
Other Information that may be helpful: -
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A Commonwealth Realm of the United Kingdom, with King Constance I as Monarch.
Pro: United States, Palestine, Kosovo, Japan, China, South Korea, unity, democratic socialism, liberalism, peace, meritocracy.
Neutral: Israel, Iran, Russia, Ukraine, DPRK
Anti: Apartheid, Islamic State, dictatorships, anarchism, communism, terrorism, Nazism, Islamophobia

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The Cardwith Islands
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Postby The Cardwith Islands » Thu May 30, 2019 4:14 am

Mountain Pygmies wrote:Well... what about sending him on behalf of the clans that make up our nation.


Yep, sounds good. Edit your post accordingly.

The archipelago territory wrote:Oh I didn’t know ISC meant international socialist congress that was stupid


Well, let's correct that it in the post, then.

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The Cardwith Islands
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Postby The Cardwith Islands » Fri May 31, 2019 4:22 am

Of Herbshire wrote:Your Nation
Full IC nation name: The Commonwealth of Herbshire
RP National population: 101,000,000
National leader: Mordechai Yanukovich
Ideology of the current government: Centrist

Political Parties
Name of main socialist/Marxist or other leftist political party that you are applying with: Labour Party
Ideology of this party: Centre-left to left-wing, democratic socialism, pro-welfare
Is this party and all leftists in your nation oppressed by the government, or are they in charge?Yes, the party are currently in charge as a junior party in coalition.
Any other leftist parties allowed in your nation? Yes. For example, there's the People's Socialist Workers' Party (left to far-left, Karl-Marxism), Simland National Party (left-wing nationalism, Luxemburgism), Green Party (centre-left, environmentalism) and the Communist Party of Herbshire (far-left, Trotskyism and Leninism)
Number of registrants/members in leftist political party (or parties): Labour: 44,543,000

ISC Potential Membership
Full title and name of the Representative to the International Socialist Congress: Sir Ben Holzer
Full member or observer status? Full member
Financial Contributor to the IS Congress? (Please state yearly contribution in NSD): 8,356,000 NSD
ISVC Contributor: (Sign up in above listed link if you would like to be) (Y/N) Y
Other Information that may be helpful: -


We can grant observer status to a Euro style labour party/social democratic/democratic socialist (poh-tay-to/poh-tah-to) party, but not full membership. This has been established by precedence. If you were to change your application to the People's Socialist Worker's Party being the applicant party, however, we could grant you full membership for a representative. Thanks for your understanding in this matter.

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The Cardwith Islands
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Postby The Cardwith Islands » Fri May 31, 2019 4:30 am

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The International Socialist Congress


To all of our Socialist and Marxist brethren and sisters!

We welcome you to the Congress in the acknowledgement that you have already been a dedicated activist in the cause of world socialism.
Welcome to our new representatives:

The Honorable Representative Nau Yao Yatla of The Socialist Clans of The Confederacy of Mountain Pygmies
The Honorable Representative Larry Johnson of The Socialist Party of The Federal Republic of Archipelago Territory

We look forward to working together to further the cause of socialism across the multiverse.

Trevor Obelanka
Chairman of The International Socialist Congress

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Of Herbshire
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Founded: Nov 13, 2012
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Postby Of Herbshire » Fri May 31, 2019 8:02 pm

The Cardwith Islands wrote:
Of Herbshire wrote:Your Nation
Full IC nation name: The Commonwealth of Herbshire
RP National population: 101,000,000
National leader: Mordechai Yanukovich
Ideology of the current government: Centrist

Political Parties
Name of main socialist/Marxist or other leftist political party that you are applying with: Labour Party
Ideology of this party: Centre-left to left-wing, democratic socialism, pro-welfare
Is this party and all leftists in your nation oppressed by the government, or are they in charge?Yes, the party are currently in charge as a junior party in coalition.
Any other leftist parties allowed in your nation? Yes. For example, there's the People's Socialist Workers' Party (left to far-left, Karl-Marxism), Simland National Party (left-wing nationalism, Luxemburgism), Green Party (centre-left, environmentalism) and the Communist Party of Herbshire (far-left, Trotskyism and Leninism)
Number of registrants/members in leftist political party (or parties): Labour: 44,543,000

ISC Potential Membership
Full title and name of the Representative to the International Socialist Congress: Sir Ben Holzer
Full member or observer status? Full member
Financial Contributor to the IS Congress? (Please state yearly contribution in NSD): 8,356,000 NSD
ISVC Contributor: (Sign up in above listed link if you would like to be) (Y/N) Y
Other Information that may be helpful: -


We can grant observer status to a Euro style labour party/social democratic/democratic socialist (poh-tay-to/poh-tah-to) party, but not full membership. This has been established by precedence. If you were to change your application to the People's Socialist Worker's Party being the applicant party, however, we could grant you full membership for a representative. Thanks for your understanding in this matter.


Your Nation
Full IC nation name: The Commonwealth of Herbshire
RP National population: 101,000,000
National leader: Mordechai Yanukovich
Ideology of the current government: Centrist

Political Parties
Name of main socialist/Marxist or other leftist political party that you are applying with: People's Workers' Socialist Party
Ideology of this party: left to far-left, Karl-Marxism
Is this party and all leftists in your nation oppressed by the government, or are they in charge? No, this party is currently in the opposition bloc with 16 electorate seats and 6 list MPs in Parliament, bringing them to a total of 22 seats altogether. The government never oppresses any left-wing party or any leftists in the country, owing that a leftist party (Labour) is currently in government as a senior-in-coalition party. (not junior-in-coalition)
Any other leftist parties allowed in your nation? Yes. For example, there's the Labour Party (Centre-left to left-wing, democratic socialism, pro-welfare), Simland National Party (left-wing nationalism, Luxemburgism), Green Party (centre-left, environmentalism) and the Communist Party of Herbshire (far-left, Trotskyism and Leninism)
Number of registrants/members in leftist political party (or parties): People's Socialist Workers' Party: 16,154,000

ISC Potential Membership
Full title and name of the Representative to the International Socialist Congress: Mr. Nikolai Stanislavsky
Full member or observer status? Full member
Financial Contributor to the IS Congress? (Please state yearly contribution in NSD): 6,286,000 NSD
ISVC Contributor: (Sign up in above listed link if you would like to be) (Y/N) Y
Other Information that may be helpful: -
A Commonwealth Realm of the United Kingdom, with King Constance I as Monarch.
Pro: United States, Palestine, Kosovo, Japan, China, South Korea, unity, democratic socialism, liberalism, peace, meritocracy.
Neutral: Israel, Iran, Russia, Ukraine, DPRK
Anti: Apartheid, Islamic State, dictatorships, anarchism, communism, terrorism, Nazism, Islamophobia

HBC NewsPeople's Front coalition officially disbanded, says Tories 	+-+ New Sterling state elections to be held today, 1,100,000 state residents eligible for vote - EC

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The Cardwith Islands
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Postby The Cardwith Islands » Sat Jun 15, 2019 1:54 pm

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The International Socialist Congress


To all of our Socialist and Marxist brethren and sisters!

We welcome you to the Congress in the acknowledgement that you have already been a dedicated activist in the cause of world socialism.
Welcome to our new representative:

The Honorable Representative Nikolai Stanislavsky of The People's Workers' Socialist Party of The Commonwealth of Herbshire

We look forward to working together to further the cause of socialism across the multiverse.

Trevor Obelanka
Chairman of The International Socialist Congress

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The World Capitalist Confederation
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Postby The World Capitalist Confederation » Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:11 pm

Your Nation
Full IC nation name: The Second British Republic
RP National population: 2.25 billion
National leader: President Frederick von Limburgh
Ideology of the current government: Authoritarian Reactionary-Nationalism (Not alt-right)

Political Parties
Name of main socialist/Marxist or other leftist political party that you are applying with: The Worker's Guard of Britain
Ideology of this party: Libertarian/Technocratic Market Socialism
Is this party and all leftists in your nation oppressed by the government, or are they in charge? Prosecuted, but legal.
Any other leftist parties allowed in your nation? Only this one, unless you count the SDLP.
Number of registrants/members in leftist political party (or parties): 1,900,000


ISC Potential Membership
Full title and name of the Representative to the International Socialist Congress: Chairman George Oliver
Full member or observer status? Full member
Financial Contributor to the IS Congress? (Please state yearly contribution in NSD): $50 million
ISVC Contributor: (Sign up in above listed link if you would like to be) Y
Other Information that may be helpful: Is on the verge of becoming illegal.
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Postby The World Capitalist Confederation » Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:11 pm

I have two, and they hate each other.
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Postby The Cardwith Islands » Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:22 am

The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:I have two, and they hate each other.


What inspired you to name it the 'Blood and Soil' party? Because, you know, that has far different connotations to a lot of people than 'leftist'.

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Postby The World Capitalist Confederation » Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:31 am

The Cardwith Islands wrote:
The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:I have two, and they hate each other.


What inspired you to name it the 'Blood and Soil' party? Because, you know, that has far different connotations to a lot of people than 'leftist'.

It sounds nationalist, but it refers to the proletariat seizing the land from the bourgeois elite. Keep in mind that our world, WW2 happened about 130 years ago and was basically a footnote as opposed to WW3 (1945-1959). Nationalism is also mostly dead, as nationalists are supplanted by corporate totalitarians. The Blood and Soil Nazis are basically a big who in our timeline.

Also, some say it's in the vein of the post-WW2 left-wing nationalist movement "Germany for Germans" that opposed the occupation of West Germany. The weird thing about our timeline is that Britain is a heavily Germanised nation due to the German refugee crisis in WW3. I'll elaborate on that further in my factbooks.
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“We could manage to survive without the money changers and stockbrokers, but we would rather find it difficult to survive without miners, steel workers and those who cultivate the land.” - Nye Bevan, Minister of Health under Clement Attlee

“The mutual-aid tendency in man has so remote an origin, and is so deeply interwoven with all the past evolution of the human race, that is has been maintained by mankind up to the present time, notwithstanding all vicissitudes of history.” - Peter Krotopkin, evolutionary biologist and political writer.

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Postby The World Capitalist Confederation » Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:41 am

The Cardwith Islands wrote:
The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:I have two, and they hate each other.


What inspired you to name it the 'Blood and Soil' party? Because, you know, that has far different connotations to a lot of people than 'leftist'.

I can change it if you want, it's just that it was meant to represent the war for land against the feudal slaveholders of the British Republic.
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“We could manage to survive without the money changers and stockbrokers, but we would rather find it difficult to survive without miners, steel workers and those who cultivate the land.” - Nye Bevan, Minister of Health under Clement Attlee

“The mutual-aid tendency in man has so remote an origin, and is so deeply interwoven with all the past evolution of the human race, that is has been maintained by mankind up to the present time, notwithstanding all vicissitudes of history.” - Peter Krotopkin, evolutionary biologist and political writer.

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Postby The Cardwith Islands » Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:47 am

The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:
The Cardwith Islands wrote:
What inspired you to name it the 'Blood and Soil' party? Because, you know, that has far different connotations to a lot of people than 'leftist'.

It sounds nationalist, but it refers to the proletariat seizing the land from the bourgeois elite. Keep in mind that our world, WW2 happened about 130 years ago and was basically a footnote as opposed to WW3 (1945-1959). Nationalism is also mostly dead, as nationalists are supplanted by corporate totalitarians. The Blood and Soil Nazis are basically a big who in our timeline.

Also, some say it's in the vein of the post-WW2 left-wing nationalist movement "Germany for Germans" that opposed the occupation of West Germany. The weird thing about our timeline is that Britain is a heavily Germanised nation due to the German refugee crisis in WW3. I'll elaborate on that further in my factbooks.


A big 'who'? You could have picked any other iteration or variation than 'Blood and Soil', really. Also, the Strasser Brothers may have been the most left leaning of the Nazi party, but still they were prominent members of the Nazi fucking party. A very fascist, nationalist and racist organization that hunted down real socialists and communists. I feel like you're trying to get one over on us. We're a political organization. Do you really think we wouldn't know these RL connotations?

I'm just very confused why, if these are leftist organizations in your canon, you couldn't have picked literally any other names that weren't about the Nazi party. If you can change it, it must not be that integral to your canon, which makes me question further the point of using that nomenclature at all. Please help me understand.

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Postby The World Capitalist Confederation » Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:51 am

The Cardwith Islands wrote:
The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:It sounds nationalist, but it refers to the proletariat seizing the land from the bourgeois elite. Keep in mind that our world, WW2 happened about 130 years ago and was basically a footnote as opposed to WW3 (1945-1959). Nationalism is also mostly dead, as nationalists are supplanted by corporate totalitarians. The Blood and Soil Nazis are basically a big who in our timeline.

Also, some say it's in the vein of the post-WW2 left-wing nationalist movement "Germany for Germans" that opposed the occupation of West Germany. The weird thing about our timeline is that Britain is a heavily Germanised nation due to the German refugee crisis in WW3. I'll elaborate on that further in my factbooks.


A big 'who'? You could have picked any other iteration or variation than 'Blood and Soil', really. Also, the Strasser Brothers may have been the most left leaning of the Nazi party, but still they were prominent members of the Nazi fucking party. A very fascist, nationalist and racist organization that hunted down real socialists and communists. I feel like you're trying to get one over on us. We're a political organization. Do you really think we wouldn't know these RL connotations?

I'm just very confused why, if these are leftist organizations in your canon, you couldn't have picked literally any other names that weren't about the Nazi party. If you can change it, it must not be that integral to your canon, which makes me question further the point of using that nomenclature at all. Please help me understand.

I'll change the name of the Blood and Soil Party. I thought this was general leftist. Don't shoot me. The SUBP are integral to the general politics of the nation, so I can't go screwing that around. But if you don't want me here, I'll just leave.
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“We could manage to survive without the money changers and stockbrokers, but we would rather find it difficult to survive without miners, steel workers and those who cultivate the land.” - Nye Bevan, Minister of Health under Clement Attlee

“The mutual-aid tendency in man has so remote an origin, and is so deeply interwoven with all the past evolution of the human race, that is has been maintained by mankind up to the present time, notwithstanding all vicissitudes of history.” - Peter Krotopkin, evolutionary biologist and political writer.

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Postby The Cardwith Islands » Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:01 am

The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:
The Cardwith Islands wrote:
A big 'who'? You could have picked any other iteration or variation than 'Blood and Soil', really. Also, the Strasser Brothers may have been the most left leaning of the Nazi party, but still they were prominent members of the Nazi fucking party. A very fascist, nationalist and racist organization that hunted down real socialists and communists. I feel like you're trying to get one over on us. We're a political organization. Do you really think we wouldn't know these RL connotations?

I'm just very confused why, if these are leftist organizations in your canon, you couldn't have picked literally any other names that weren't about the Nazi party. If you can change it, it must not be that integral to your canon, which makes me question further the point of using that nomenclature at all. Please help me understand.

I'll change the name of the Blood and Soil Party. I thought this was general leftist. Don't shoot me. The SUBP are integral to the general politics of the nation, so I can't go screwing that around. But if you don't want me here, I'll just leave.


I'm just trying to understand why you picked Strasserism and Blood and Soil as symbols of leftist ideology in your nation's canon. It just doesn't make sense why you specifically latched onto those out of the myriad of other real leftist ideological tenets out there. Or that these two parties are opposed when they're both using Nazi symbolism and faux leftist. Why not make one of them not be so far alt-right they're kind of full circle left? That way they'd have less in common and more cause to fight. But yes, I'm on Discord right now with our group and we're not super enthused about admitting a member into the org that is using Nazi ideology and calling it 'general leftist'.

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Postby The World Capitalist Confederation » Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:05 am

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The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:I'll change the name of the Blood and Soil Party. I thought this was general leftist. Don't shoot me. The SUBP are integral to the general politics of the nation, so I can't go screwing that around. But if you don't want me here, I'll just leave.


I'm just trying to understand why you picked Strasserism and Blood and Soil as symbols of leftist ideology in your nation's canon. It just doesn't make sense why you specifically latched onto those out of the myriad of other real leftist ideological tenets out there. Or that these two parties are opposed when they're both using Nazi symbolism and faux leftist. Why not make one of them not be so far alt-right they're kind of full circle left? That way they'd have less in common and more cause to fight. But yes, I'm on Discord right now with our group and we're not super enthused about admitting a member into the org that is using Nazi ideology and calling it 'general leftist'.

I just had a lapse of judgement, that's all. Look, if it's any consolation, I'm a leftist IRL. We also have another leftist party, but they don't really count. They're the Social Democratic Labour Party. I'm sorry for any offence I've caused you and I shall be taking my leave.
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Postby The Cardwith Islands » Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:18 am

The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:
The Cardwith Islands wrote:
I'm just trying to understand why you picked Strasserism and Blood and Soil as symbols of leftist ideology in your nation's canon. It just doesn't make sense why you specifically latched onto those out of the myriad of other real leftist ideological tenets out there. Or that these two parties are opposed when they're both using Nazi symbolism and faux leftist. Why not make one of them not be so far alt-right they're kind of full circle left? That way they'd have less in common and more cause to fight. But yes, I'm on Discord right now with our group and we're not super enthused about admitting a member into the org that is using Nazi ideology and calling it 'general leftist'.

I just had a lapse of judgement, that's all. Look, if it's any consolation, I'm a leftist IRL. We also have another leftist party, but they don't really count. They're the Social Democratic Labour Party. I'm sorry for any offence I've caused you and I shall be taking my leave.


Suit yourself. I'm just trying to help you out to maybe rethink your canon choices. You can go on doing whatever you like (within site rules), but telling people that obvious Nazi slogans and icons don't have actual Nazi connotations when you're trying to join a socialist group that can call your bluff on that is probably just going to cause you more grief and waste said group's time. You can believe whatever you like, but trying to tell people that the political far right is actually left without laying out exactly how that came about in your nation's canon is problematic. Even if that's just your IC stance it is like telling people the earth is flat or gravity is a myth without any solid science to back it up.
It is going to continue to cause you personal problems you'd probably rather not want to deal with unless you just enjoy trolling folks.

EDIT: Also, if you're going to skirt the line of Nazism and fascism, there are plenty of groups and regions for both out there on NS that are much bolder and welcoming about it. You're welcome to seek them out, although they might reject you too if you're claiming things that represent fascism are really leftist. Maybe you're best off starting your own RP group with your unique view.
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Postby The World Capitalist Confederation » Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:24 am

The Cardwith Islands wrote:
The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:I just had a lapse of judgement, that's all. Look, if it's any consolation, I'm a leftist IRL. We also have another leftist party, but they don't really count. They're the Social Democratic Labour Party. I'm sorry for any offence I've caused you and I shall be taking my leave.


Suit yourself. I'm just trying to help you out to maybe rethink your canon choices. You can go on doing whatever you like (within site rules), but telling people that obvious Nazi slogans and icons don't have actual Nazi connotations when you're trying to join a socialist group that can call your bluff on that is probably just going to cause you more grief and waste said group's time. You can believe whatever you like, but trying to tell people that the political far right is actually left without laying out exactly how that came about in your nation's canon is problematic. Even if that's just your IC stance it is like telling people the earth is flat or gravity is a myth without any solid science to back it up.
It is going to continue to cause you personal problems you'd probably rather not want to deal with unless you just enjoy trolling folks.

Alright then. I'll remove the application for the SUBP and change the name of the Blood and Soil Party.
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“We could manage to survive without the money changers and stockbrokers, but we would rather find it difficult to survive without miners, steel workers and those who cultivate the land.” - Nye Bevan, Minister of Health under Clement Attlee

“The mutual-aid tendency in man has so remote an origin, and is so deeply interwoven with all the past evolution of the human race, that is has been maintained by mankind up to the present time, notwithstanding all vicissitudes of history.” - Peter Krotopkin, evolutionary biologist and political writer.

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