Yusseria wrote:Sounds justified. Venezuela honestly needs a military coup.
CIA, work your magic. Pinochet Part 2.
Nah, the world doesn’t need anymore Pinochet’s or any other member of the anti-freedom brigade.
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by The Greater Ohio Valley » Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:50 pm
Yusseria wrote:Sounds justified. Venezuela honestly needs a military coup.
CIA, work your magic. Pinochet Part 2.
by Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba » Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:54 pm
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by Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba » Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:00 pm
Deutschess Kaiserreich wrote:God damn it US. I love my cigars and fine Cuban brandy! Now I gotta pay more to my dealer.
by The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:04 pm
by Greater La Habana Cuba and Miami Shores » Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:08 pm
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:That is a long poll.
Anyway, we where so close to just accepting what Cuba is nowadays with Obama.
Just give it up with the sanctions already, Cuba isn't going to change.
by The Greater Ohio Valley » Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:15 pm
by The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:16 pm
Greater La Habana Cuba and Miami Shores wrote:The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:That is a long poll.
Anyway, we where so close to just accepting what Cuba is nowadays with Obama.
Just give it up with the sanctions already, Cuba isn't going to change.
That is a long poll with good pro and con opposite options. So you want Cuba to live under the eternal one political party state revolution forever?
by Novus America » Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:27 pm
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:That is a long poll.
Anyway, we where so close to just accepting what Cuba is nowadays with Obama.
Just give it up with the sanctions already, Cuba isn't going to change.
by Novus America » Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:28 pm
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Greater La Habana Cuba and Miami Shores wrote:That is a long poll with good pro and con opposite options. So you want Cuba to live under the eternal one political party state revolution forever?
I'm just saying, it's kinda long.
No, I don't necessarily want that, I just accept that it's going to be like that for a long time with no changes in the near or distant future.
Could it be better? Yes. Will it change? Most likely not.
Might as well make a little money from it by allowing trade and tourism.
by The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:32 pm
Novus America wrote:The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:That is a long poll.
Anyway, we where so close to just accepting what Cuba is nowadays with Obama.
Just give it up with the sanctions already, Cuba isn't going to change.
If Cuba will not change then why should we change?
Why should we trade with Cuba? We have a right to choose who we do and do not want to trade with. We should not trade with hostile governments.
by Gormwood » Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:33 pm
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:That is a long poll.
Anyway, we where so close to just accepting what Cuba is nowadays with Obama.
Just give it up with the sanctions already, Cuba isn't going to change.
by Greater La Habana Cuba and Miami Shores » Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:36 pm
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Greater La Habana Cuba and Miami Shores wrote:That is a long poll with good pro and con opposite options. So you want Cuba to live under the eternal one political party state revolution forever?
I'm just saying, it's kinda long.
No, I don't necessarily want that, I just accept that it's going to be like that for a long time with no changes in the near or distant future.
Could it be better? Yes. Will it change? Most likely not.
Might as well make a little money from it by allowing trade and tourism.
by First American Empire » Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:38 pm
Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba wrote:While the Cuban people are suffering shortages of eggs, chicken, rice, pork, cooking oil, bread, toilet paper, and other products, while the foreign tourist hotel resorts have everything, these shortages have even been reported on the Cuban government news media, lol.
by The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:41 pm
Greater La Habana Cuba and Miami Shores wrote:The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
I'm just saying, it's kinda long.
No, I don't necessarily want that, I just accept that it's going to be like that for a long time with no changes in the near or distant future.
Could it be better? Yes. Will it change? Most likely not.
Might as well make a little money from it by allowing trade and tourism.
I believe you 100 % when you say you don't necessarily want that, and the Heck with the Cuban people like my family still in Cuba, but that is your right to say it and post it, but why not say you don't want that.
I agree with you, the Cuban government leaders will not change Cuba into any kind of western style democracy with all its merits and faults unless they have no choice, Trade, Tourists, Cultural Exchange and diplomatic support from the western style democratic nations have not worked either for obvious reasons, it is called appeasement, the same policy of the EU, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, the Hispanic nations and others, including Hungary under right wing Prime Minister of Hungary Viktor Orbán which I support, including President Trump because they are not anything like a real dictator, lol, my favorite expression not an actual lol most of the time.
The Cuban government trades with almost all nations in the world, including limited trade and improved relatiosn with the USA, thanks in part to President Obama, so much for the US American embargo.
by Greater La Habana Cuba and Miami Shores » Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:46 pm
First American Empire wrote:Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba wrote:While the Cuban people are suffering shortages of eggs, chicken, rice, pork, cooking oil, bread, toilet paper, and other products, while the foreign tourist hotel resorts have everything, these shortages have even been reported on the Cuban government news media, lol.
Which could easily be fixed by lifting the embargo.
by Novus America » Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:49 pm
Gormwood wrote:The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:That is a long poll.
Anyway, we where so close to just accepting what Cuba is nowadays with Obama.
Just give it up with the sanctions already, Cuba isn't going to change.
Some people long for the days when Cuba was an easily exploited mafia state with no regard for the wellbeing of the average Cuban people.
On a side note, the sanctions are amusingly hypocritical given allegations of how the Trump Organization conducted business with Cuba despite the Embargo being active.
by Gormwood » Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:53 pm
Novus America wrote:Gormwood wrote:Some people long for the days when Cuba was an easily exploited mafia state with no regard for the wellbeing of the average Cuban people.
On a side note, the sanctions are amusingly hypocritical given allegations of how the Trump Organization conducted business with Cuba despite the Embargo being active.
Cuba still is a mafia state with no regard for the Cuban people.
by Novus America » Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:58 pm
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Novus America wrote:
If Cuba will not change then why should we change?
Why should we trade with Cuba? We have a right to choose who we do and do not want to trade with. We should not trade with hostile governments.
Because it's free money.
You are actively making the economy of both nations worse by not trading with them.
Besides, the US is trading with Saudi Arabia and a bunch of other tin pot dictatorships worse then Cuba.
The president is in huge conferences with NK, a country thats a thousand times worse then Cuba.
At least Cuba isn't trying to build nukes. Whats one more nation that gives the US a bunch of free money and GDP growth?
by Greater La Habana Cuba and Miami Shores » Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:59 pm
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by Cedoria » Wed Apr 17, 2019 7:06 pm
Novus America wrote:Gormwood wrote:If American corporations profitted from it instead of the Cuban government nobody would be complaining about the mafia state. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Eh, one of the reasons Batista fell is will cut off support to his regime.
Unfortunately we failed to ensure a proper transition to a better one.
But a friendly mafia state while still bad is better than a hostile one.
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