[DRAFT] Improving rehabilitation of prisoners

[Kenmoria]

'Ambasssador, by following this line of reasoning you are rendering that clause useless. You're effectively saying that nations who want to abide by it can do so; and those who don't can set an impossibly high standard of behaviour, in essence eliminating all chances of a prisoner behaving in that way. You'd be far better off recommending nations to set rewards for good behaviour than plugging in a useless, restrictively specific mandate.'

"I expected this kind of response. Let me explain that nations cannot escape this clause, they HAVE to put some kind of bar of approval, but it also must be doable. Nobody will ask of prisoners to learn how to fly or something like that. Examples that are mentioned in the draft are doable requests, it is up to nations how many requests will they make to prisoners and how extended the good behavior must be for it to be rewarded."

“The idea of the behaviour necessarily being ‘doable’ is not mentioned in the clause, so there is nothing wrong, compliantly speaking, with a nation setting a standard of behaviour that, while technically possible, is in practical terms almost impossible to achieve in reality.”

[Separatist Peoples]

'Ambasssador, by following this line of reasoning you are rendering that clause useless. You're effectively saying that nations who want to abide by it can do so; and those who don't can set an impossibly high standard of behaviour, in essence eliminating all chances of a prisoner behaving in that way. You'd be far better off recommending nations to set rewards for good behaviour than plugging in a useless, restrictively specific mandate.'

"I expected this kind of response. Let me explain that nations cannot escape this clause, they HAVE to put some kind of bar of approval, but it also must be doable. Nobody will ask of prisoners to learn how to fly or something like that. Examples that are mentioned in the draft are doable requests, it is up to nations how many requests will they make to prisoners and how extended the good behavior must be for it to be rewarded."

"Unless you specify in the text that the requirements are limited to those within the realm of possibility, nations are under no obligation to make those requirements remotely reasonable."

[Widowed Land]

"Three days release has been reduced to one day release. Clause will remain its initial purpose, while the probable expenses were cut several times. Also, extra subclause has been added, clarifying governments' prerogatives and limits to set their own standard of good behaviour."

[Separatist Peoples]

"Three days release has been reduced to one day release. Clause will remain its initial purpose, while the probable expenses were cut several times. Also, extra subclause has been added, clarifying governments' prerogatives and limits to set their own standard of good behaviour."

"Nations can still set the standards high enough to evade this."

[Kenmoria]

"Three days release has been reduced to one day release. Clause will remain its initial purpose, while the probable expenses were cut several times. Also, extra subclause has been added, clarifying governments' prerogatives and limits to set their own standard of good behaviour."

“One day, actually, is worse. The costs for three days are: safe transport to the home, paying guards, safe transport back from the home. The costs for one day are exactly the same as the above, and only the wages are reduced. That means that, on per-day cost, three days is cheaper. Both are still pointlessly expensive, and not an international issue.”

[Maowi]

"Nations can still set the standards high enough to evade this."

“One day, actually, is worse. The costs for three days are: safe transport to the home, paying guards, safe transport back from the home. The costs for one day are exactly the same as the above, and only the wages are reduced. That means that, on per-day cost, three days is cheaper. Both are still pointlessly expensive, and not an international issue.”

OOC: ^This. I don't see why you are so determined that this is the best and only way of encouraging good behaviour, to the extent that it must be forced upon member nations. Do what you want, to be honest; you've made it quite clear you're intent on keeping it, but it'll lose you a lot of votes.

[Widowed Land]

OOC: Is it even worth posting? Without massive telegram campaign it still won't achieve quorum, not to talk about actually passing. But it has been fun writing a resolution and then discussing it.

[Kenmoria]

OOC: Is it even worth posting? Without massive telegram campaign it still won't achieve quorum, not to talk about actually passing. But it has been fun writing a resolution and then discussing it.

(OOC: Although it is true that it is almost impossible to pass a proposal without campaigning, there are numerous ways to do this. One could spend money on telegram stamps and just contact many people. Alternatively, you could do it manually and send telegrams to a few players at a time. Lastly, you can use API to telegram people automatically and freely, though it does take some setup beforehand.)

[Widowed Land]

OOC: Okay, I'll submit it. Here goes nothing ^_^

[Marxist Germany]

"The World Assembly Delegation of Marxist Germany would like to notify you that it will be voting AGAINST"

[Widowed Land]

"The World Assembly Delegation of Marxist Germany would like to notify you that it will be voting AGAINST"

"Thank you for telling me that over and over and over again, as if I was blind enough not to read it first several times"

[Marxist Germany]

"The World Assembly Delegation of Marxist Germany would like to notify you that it will be voting AGAINST"

"Thank you for telling me that over and over and over again, as if I was blind enough not to read it first several times"

"We hoped that you'll remove the good behaviour clause but you seem very stubborn, if only you removed that clause you would've gotten my support."

[Widowed Land]

"Thank you for telling me that over and over and over again, as if I was blind enough not to read it first several times"

"We hoped that you'll remove the good behaviour clause but you seem very stubborn, if only you removed that clause you would've gotten my support."

OOC: vote against as much as you like, first it kinda has to reach quorum.... yea doubt but I'll try to telegram the votes through

[Kenmoria]

"The World Assembly Delegation of Marxist Germany would like to notify you that it will be voting AGAINST"

“The Kenmoria WA Mission wishes to declare its intention to vote against this proposal. Several clauses of the legislative text are prohibitively expensive, blatantly unsafe, not international issues, or all three.”

[Quappe]

"Whilst again restating that the intentions of this proposal are indeed commendable, Quappe will only consider voting for this proposal once the mandates relating to house arrest are removed and glaring errors in the proposal (e.g, on the clause about temporary house arrest for good behavior, one day and three day releases both being mentioned in contradiction to one another) are rectified. Many nations already employ long-term effective rewards, such as parole schemes, to encourage good behaviour in prisons, and such mandates are unnecessary measures."

[Kenmoria]

(OOC: How are you campaigning? This is getting a lot more approvals than I initially thought it would.)

[Marxist Germany]

(OOC: How are you campaigning? This is getting a lot more approvals than I initially thought it would.)

OOC:We will make sure this gets crushed at vote

[Separatist Peoples]

(OOC: How are you campaigning? This is getting a lot more approvals than I initially thought it would.)

OOC:We will make sure this gets crushed at vote

OOC: can you personally make that assurance?

[Marxist Germany]

OOC:We will make sure this gets crushed at vote

OOC: can you personally make that assurance?

OOC:No

[Separatist Peoples]

OOC: can you personally make that assurance?

OOC:No

OOC: Best not to write checks with one's mouth that one's posterior cannot cash, I should think.

[Marxist Germany]

OOC:No

OOC: Best not to write checks with one's mouth that one's posterior cannot cash, I should think.

OOC:

[East Meranopirus]

OOC: Best not to write checks with one's mouth that one's posterior cannot cash, I should think.

But meanwhile, when are you going to make up your mind whether it's legal or not?

[Separatist Peoples]

OOC: Best not to write checks with one's mouth that one's posterior cannot cash, I should think.

But meanwhile, when are you going to make up your mind whether it's legal or not?

Ooc: I dont see a challenge, so I dont see a need to interact with this thread in an official capacity.

[Kenmoria]

OOC: Best not to write checks with one's mouth that one's posterior cannot cash, I should think.

But meanwhile, when are you going to make up your mind whether it's legal or not?

(OOC: Why would it be illegal? Though ill-conceived, I can’t see a reason for the proposal to break any rules.)

[Araraukar]

OOC: It's too bad that incomprehensibility isn't an illegality, if it's otherwise understandable English...

Also stupidities like "mandates that nations may".

And talking of detainees, prisoners and convicts as if they were synonyms.