Massive Fire at Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris

[Alvecia]

Exaggerations aside, anecdotally I’d say we tend to trust them more on average than Americans.

Maybe we have more revealed examples of that trust being violated. Could be.

Perhaps. It seems intrinsically ties to gun ownership, so maybe that’s a factor, or maybe just a symptom. I’m just spitballing.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Ok then, prove that this wasn't an accident.

You can't prove either way at this point.
You suggesting this completely rules out Islamic or other extremist arson is you whipping out something Taquiyya-esque which is a very old trick of yours' and very easy to spot. You're really not subtle and you don't need to use it on me anyway.

Literally what are you talking about lol. Also if you can't prove something then you shouldn't bring it up.

[Ifreann]

The police say they're treating the fire as an accident? Proves it was Muslims. They can't have done an investigation yet so the police must know it was terrorism but they're covering it up because political correctness.
The police say they're won't know what caused the fire until they investigate? Proves it was Muslims. The police would say it was an accident if there wasn't anything suspicious.
The police don't say anything? Proves it was Muslims. The only reason the police would be keeping quiet is because they know it was terrorism but they can't say it because of political correctness.
The police say it could have been deliberate? Proves it was Muslims, even if the police later come out after finishing the investigation and say it was an accident.

It doesn't matter what the police say or do, conspiracy theorists will always use it to prove whatever they want to believe.

You seem to think terrorism = Muslims?

Technocratic Uganda thinks it was Muslims it is that belief we're talking about.

[The Black Forrest]

You seem to think terrorism = Muslims?

All Ethels saying is that there’s a possibility for terrorism

Yes, could also have been the IRA

Hmmm? I don't think the Police have ruled out terrorism. They haven't done a proper look over as the concern is the artifacts and the building stability at the moment. They will do their review of the fire.

France has an issue with "Muslim" violence. A coworker in France has a girl friend in a police unit (forgot what it was called) that is assigned Muslim violence issues. He said most Muslims are fine. They have many wackos there as well.

It was most likely an accident. Hard liners and anti-Muslim types will probably have comments to suggest otherwise.....

[Ifreann]

Yes, could also have been the IRA

Hmmm? I don't think the Police have ruled out terrorism. They haven't done a proper look over as the concern is the artifacts and the building stability at the moment. They will do their review of the fire.

France has an issue with "Muslim" violence. A coworker in France has a girl friend in a police unit (forgot what it was called) that is assigned Muslim violence issues. He said most Muslims are fine. They have many wackos there as well.

It was most likely an accident. Hard liners and anti-Muslim types will probably have comments to suggest otherwise.....

Anti-Muslim types are inventing their own proof that it was Muslims. There's videos going around of footage of the fire with audio of Muslim prayers added to "prove" that Muslims did it. Can't imagine what possible statement by the police would have stopped someone making that and stopped people from believing it.

[Galloism]

Hmmm? I don't think the Police have ruled out terrorism. They haven't done a proper look over as the concern is the artifacts and the building stability at the moment. They will do their review of the fire.

France has an issue with "Muslim" violence. A coworker in France has a girl friend in a police unit (forgot what it was called) that is assigned Muslim violence issues. He said most Muslims are fine. They have many wackos there as well.

It was most likely an accident. Hard liners and anti-Muslim types will probably have comments to suggest otherwise.....

Anti-Muslim types are inventing their own proof that it was Muslims. There's videos going around of footage of the fire with audio of Muslim prayers added to "prove" that Muslims did it. Can't imagine what possible statement by the police would have stopped someone making that and stopped people from believing it.

I'm a conspiracy nutball, but if we're going to blame anyone for deliberately setting the fire, the French government seems to have the most to gain here.

[Holy Tedalonia]

You seem to think terrorism = Muslims?

Technocratic Uganda thinks it was Muslims it is that belief we're talking about.

You quoted Ethel, a more level minded individual.

[Ifreann]

Technocratic Uganda thinks it was Muslims it is that belief we're talking about.

You quoted Ethel, a more level minded individual.

I quoted Ethel, who was talking about Technocratic Uganda's belief that this was Muslims.

Where are you even going with this? I really can't be fucked to excruciatingly explain my post to you in the simplest possible terms, so if you have a point can we just skip all the stupid questions and go straight to that?

[Natanya]

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[Alvecia]

Competition Time DDDDD

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Spire McSpireFace

[The Alma Mater]

Well tbf, the French PD said it probably wasnt terrorism, without any follow up, while the fire was still raging.

Now It is very possible one of the contractors told them, "I accidentally shorted a temporary electrical box, it sparked and the dried wood went right up, I sounded the alarm and got the hell out of there", but the cops should have said more, and that lack of saying more is when lends itself to all the conspiracy theories.

The police say they're treating the fire as an accident? Proves it was Muslims. They can't have done an investigation yet so the police must know it was terrorism but they're covering it up because political correctness.
The police say they're won't know what caused the fire until they investigate? Proves it was Muslims. The police would say it was an accident if there wasn't anything suspicious.
The police don't say anything? Proves it was Muslims. The only reason the police would be keeping quiet is because they know it was terrorism but they can't say it because of political correctness.
The police say it could have been deliberate? Proves it was Muslims, even if the police later come out after finishing the investigation and say it was an accident.

It doesn't matter what the police say or do, conspiracy theorists will always use it to prove whatever they want to believe.

And then Macron poured oil on the fire by saying a mosque would be included in the new building...

[Ifreann]

The police say they're treating the fire as an accident? Proves it was Muslims. They can't have done an investigation yet so the police must know it was terrorism but they're covering it up because political correctness.
The police say they're won't know what caused the fire until they investigate? Proves it was Muslims. The police would say it was an accident if there wasn't anything suspicious.
The police don't say anything? Proves it was Muslims. The only reason the police would be keeping quiet is because they know it was terrorism but they can't say it because of political correctness.
The police say it could have been deliberate? Proves it was Muslims, even if the police later come out after finishing the investigation and say it was an accident.

It doesn't matter what the police say or do, conspiracy theorists will always use it to prove whatever they want to believe.

Otoh, Macron did say a mosque would be included in the new building.

...what?

[Ethel mermania]

Well tbf, the French PD said it probably wasnt terrorism, without any follow up, while the fire was still raging.

Now It is very possible one of the contractors told them, "I accidentally shorted a temporary electrical box, it sparked and the dried wood went right up, I sounded the alarm and got the hell out of there", but the cops should have said more, and that lack of saying more is when lends itself to all the conspiracy theories.

The police say they're treating the fire as an accident? Proves it was Muslims. They can't have done an investigation yet so the police must know it was terrorism but they're covering it up because political correctness.
The police say they're won't know what caused the fire until they investigate? Proves it was Muslims. The police would say it was an accident if there wasn't anything suspicious.
The police don't say anything? Proves it was Muslims. The only reason the police would be keeping quiet is because they know it was terrorism but they can't say it because of political correctness.
The police say it could have been deliberate? Proves it was Muslims, even if the police later come out after finishing the investigation and say it was an accident.

It doesn't matter what the police say or do, conspiracy theorists will always use it to prove whatever they want to believe.

No, the police should say what they know. If they have a reason to say it wasnt terrorism they should say why. My thinking it was a construction accident is, based on ... well every construction project I have been in on, is conjecture. Based on what the public knows it is a more educated guess than terrorism, but it's still guesswork. I would prefer a "we don't think its terrorism", to a "it's not terrorism" while the thing is still burning. It gives me more confidence of a good investigation that covers all bases.
Again they may already may know the answer, and pending the investigation may not want to let it out. (Negligence on the part of a contractor for example which could lead to criminal charges). But then say so.

[The Alma Mater]

Otoh, Macron did say a mosque would be included in the new building.

...what?

RIght after the fire started some right wingers/conspiracy theorists said "no doubt they will now build a mosque there".
They were right.

Well, partially. The new Notre Dame is supposed to become a monument to diversity, including a synagogue, mosque and inclusivity center.

[Bassoe]

Competition Time DDDDD

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Spire McSpireFace

Fuck you Macron, people are donating to pay for a recreation of what was destroyed, not some postmodernist parasitic growth on the wreckage.

[Ethel mermania]

Technocratic Uganda thinks it was Muslims it is that belief we're talking about.

You quoted Ethel, a more level minded individual.

LIES! more level headed, I should report this...

while iffy's point seems to be it doesnt matter what the cops say "it was terrorism", and I am saying the cops left open the possibility for people to say that, by the way they have announced things.

[Galloism]

...what?

RIght after the fire started some right wingers/conspiracy theorists said "no doubt they will now build a mosque there".
They were right.

Well, partially. The new Notre Dame is supposed to become a monument to diversity, including a synagogue, mosque and inclusivity center.

Do you have a source on this I could read?

[North German Realm]

...what?

RIght after the fire started some right wingers/conspiracy theorists said "no doubt they will now build a mosque there".
They were right.

Well, partially. The new Notre Dame is supposed to become a monument to diversity, including a synagogue, mosque and inclusivity center.

...
This is a fucking joke, right?

[Natanya]

RIght after the fire started some right wingers/conspiracy theorists said "no doubt they will now build a mosque there".
They were right.

Well, partially. The new Notre Dame is supposed to become a monument to diversity, including a synagogue, mosque and inclusivity center.

Do you have a source on this I could read?

He mentioned it would be rebuilt to reflect modern France, which has some varying connotations. I think that's where the idea of the shared church comes from.

[The Alma Mater]

Do you have a source on this I could read?

He mentioned it would be rebuilt to reflect modern France, which has some varying connotations. I think that's where the idea of the shared church comes from.

Actually it was in a daily mail article that was widely shared online. The actual article on the website however does not mention it anymore,

[Natanya]

He mentioned it would be rebuilt to reflect modern France, which has some varying connotations. I think that's where the idea of the shared church comes from.

Actually it was in a daily mail article that was widely shared online. The actual article on the website however does not mention it anymore,

I found the Macron quote via a France 24 tweet that they later deleted. Might of been a fake source lol

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

For all you know, the monitoring on the electrical equipment already present is precisely why we're pretty much certain this was an accident.
I get where you're coming from, but I trust the baseless speculation of a random person on the Internet a lot less than I trust the word of the French.

This blanket trust in the government to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth must be a european thing.

I'm an American.

[Nea Byzantia]

This blanket trust in the government to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth must be a european thing.

I'm an American.

Then you're even more likely to have blanket trust in the Government to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

Jokes aside. Its not even the Government I'm skeptical of, necessarily; its Macron...that weasel would do ANYTHING to distract from the Yellow Vest protests.

[Galloism]

This blanket trust in the government to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth must be a european thing.

I'm an American.

Weird.

[Ifreann]

The police say they're treating the fire as an accident? Proves it was Muslims. They can't have done an investigation yet so the police must know it was terrorism but they're covering it up because political correctness.
The police say they're won't know what caused the fire until they investigate? Proves it was Muslims. The police would say it was an accident if there wasn't anything suspicious.
The police don't say anything? Proves it was Muslims. The only reason the police would be keeping quiet is because they know it was terrorism but they can't say it because of political correctness.
The police say it could have been deliberate? Proves it was Muslims, even if the police later come out after finishing the investigation and say it was an accident.

It doesn't matter what the police say or do, conspiracy theorists will always use it to prove whatever they want to believe.

No, the police should say what they know. If they have a reason to say it wasnt terrorism they should say why.

They were opening an investigation into a fire that was still burning. What were they going to say, if not "We're treating this as an accident"?

My thinking it was a construction accident is, based on ... well every construction project I have been in on, is conjecture. Based on what the public knows it is a more educated guess than terrorism, but it's still guesswork. I would prefer a "we don't think its terrorism", to a "it's not terrorism" while the thing is still burning. It gives me more confidence of a good investigation that covers all bases.

Did they actually say, definitively, "It's not terrorism"?

Again they may already may know the answer, and pending the investigation may not want to let it out. (Negligence on the part of a contractor for example which could lead to criminal charges). But then say so.

What would that do to prevent conspiracy theories?

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...what?

RIght after the fire started some right wingers/conspiracy theorists said "no doubt they will now build a mosque there".
They were right.

Well, partially. The new Notre Dame is supposed to become a monument to diversity, including a synagogue, mosque and inclusivity center.

I don't understand what this has to do with my post.