by Medwind » Sun Apr 14, 2019 11:54 pm
by Risottia » Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:16 am
Medwind wrote:What should the US response to foreign aggression be?
Are US allies meeting their treaty obligations?
by Medwind » Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:21 am
Cetacea wrote:No
by Medwind » Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:28 am
Risottia wrote:Medwind wrote:What should the US response to foreign aggression be?
Aggression?
Exactly what US territories are currently occupied or bombed by foreign armies?Are US allies meeting their treaty obligations?
Yes.
Anyway I hope the US military expands its budget even more. Ideally to 50% of the US gov't budget and buying a lot of stuff from Beretta, Agusta-Westland, Thales, Rheinmetall and Leonardo.
by Kowani » Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:28 am
by Valkalan » Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:31 am
by Havarland » Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:32 am
Medwind wrote:Cetacea wrote:No
I really love how you managed to answer all of my questions with a single word. I mean, I didn't expect any significant amount of support for this, but I was hoping to see something positive. With China, and Russia increasing spending, North Korea, and Iran both pursuing nuclear weapons, the number of terrorist organizations world wide, the historical failure of isolationist, and pacifist movements, with the EU divided, and not meeting their treaty obligations, with Russia expanding, and projecting power across the globe, including in the US's backyard, and so on, and so forth, people are still so anti military, that they refuse to acknowledge the threats around them, and respond appropriately. I suppose we have to wait until our citizens are dying before we can actually prepare.
by Medwind » Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:34 am
Kowani wrote:What, so America can have quadruple the rest of the world’s aircraft carriers?
by New haven america » Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:34 am
Risottia wrote:Medwind wrote:What should the US response to foreign aggression be?
Aggression?
Exactly what US territories are currently occupied or bombed by foreign armies?Are US allies meeting their treaty obligations?
Yes.
Anyway I hope the US military expands its budget even more. Ideally to 50% of the US gov't budget and buying a lot of stuff from Beretta, Agusta-Westland, Thales, Rheinmetall and Leonardo.
by New haven america » Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:35 am
by Radiatia » Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:36 am
by Aclion » Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:38 am
by New haven america » Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:39 am
Aclion wrote:8.5% seems like enough. We should be doing more to ensure we're funding stuff the pentagon actually wants though.
by Indian Empire » Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:39 am
by Havarland » Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:39 am
by Saiwania » Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:40 am
by Havarland » Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:41 am
Indian Empire wrote:There are 750 Million people in poverty on this earth and we're asking if we need more military spending?
There are 30 Million Americans without insurance and we're asking if we need more military spending?
Seems like a good idea. (Sarcasm)
by Medwind » Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:41 am
Valkalan wrote:Having served in the US armed forces, I've observed that huge amounts of the budget are generally wasted on bureaucracy, benefits and aid programs rather than weapons and training. Actually, this is common around the world. Many European nations push their budgets toward the 3% of GDP NATO standard by simply increasing personnel expenses rather than buying new weapons.
Honestly, the military has more than enough funding, but it needs to use it more efficiently.
by Indian Empire » Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:42 am
Havarland wrote:Indian Empire wrote:There are 750 Million people in poverty on this earth and we're asking if we need more military spending?
There are 30 Million Americans without insurance and we're asking if we need more military spending?
Seems like a good idea. (Sarcasm)
The World is over populated. There isn't enough jobs for everybody, especially now when the AI is taking over. There are robot chefs and self driving cars and soon they'll be pretty common.
We need fewer people if you ask me
by Purgatio » Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:44 am
by Havarland » Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:44 am
Indian Empire wrote:Havarland wrote:The World is over populated. There isn't enough jobs for everybody, especially now when the AI is taking over. There are robot chefs and self driving cars and soon they'll be pretty common.
We need fewer people if you ask me
So are you saying those problems are impossible to tackle, even though much of the industrialized world has to this point (barring the US, of course, because of corporate interests).
by Medwind » Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:45 am
Aclion wrote:8.5% seems like enough. We should be doing more to ensure we're funding stuff the pentagon actually wants though.
by Havarland » Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:45 am
Purgatio wrote:Just to clarify something, the OP talks about US allies meeting their treaty obligations, and some of the articles linked make reference to the NATO defense spending targets, nothing in the North Atlantic Treaty actually compels or obligates Contracting Parties to spend 2% of GDP on defense, and NATO's annual report (https://edition.cnn.com/2019/03/14/politics/nato-defense-spending-target/index.) noted that whilst only a minority of members met that target, there was a noticeable increase in defense spending across the board as a percentage of GDP and numerous members like Romania were close to hitting the target, so the idea or the notion that NATO members are just leeching off the US military spending isn't really true
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