[Abortion Thread] (YET ANOTHER POLL!) Taking measure.

[The New California Republic]

So instead you just dump that mess at our feet and then run off?

Yup *dips off*

And yet you had time to make further replies? Riiiiiight...

[Kowani]

Untrue
Prove God, then come back to me.

Rights don’t exist anyway, beyond those recognized by society and the state.
Non sequitor
, Bringing a baby into a mother’s care that is economically or psychologically not ready for it is a bad idea, y’know.
Hamsters literally eat their own babies. So do polar bears. The fact that they wait until the offspring is out of the womb doesn’t have an impact.

Yes, so killing your unborn child is not in fact child murder,...yeah, makes sense.

Neither a child nor murder.

God is real, I don't care what you think about it, as it's doesn't pertain to the subject,

If one of the tenets of your argument is the “anti-Christian nature” of abortion, God must be proven for said argument to have any weight.

how is that a non sequitur?

It does not follow, that when the majority of abortions happen under failed contraceptives, that seeking an abortion is irresponsible.

Nice way of deflecting, and, ignoring my argument there. You ignored what I said about adoption, and regardless it is her responsibility.

Ah, yes, our foster care system that’s already overburdened with unadopted children. Go back and try again.

Hamsters do that because the child is sickly, and most likely would have died anyway, thus increasing her other offsprings chances by freeing up resources,

Welcome to poverty.

it is done to ensure the survival of her offspring, not to wipe them out.

I reiterate my point about polar bears.

[The Free Joy State]

It does in some cases.

Murder requires the action to be illegal.

Yeah, so I guess that means the holocaust didn't involve murder, as the Jews didn't have rights.

Wow! Those goalposts are soaring... soaring majestically!

Jews murdered in the Holocaust were people. Born people: once someone emerges from the womb, they're a person.

That is a nice, clear, legal line.

In fact -- historically speaking, IIRC -- it was in large part the Holocaust led to the Declaration of Human Rights, to ensure that international baseline.

[Medwind]

Yup *dips off*

And yet you had time to make further replies? Riiiiiight...

Yeah dude, I should have already left, but my curiosity has kept me hanging in for longer than I should.

[The New California Republic]

And yet you had time to make further replies? Riiiiiight...

Yeah dude, I should have already left, but my curiosity has kept me hanging in for longer than I should.

Then you have time to go back and edit that post...

[Neutraligon]

Untrue
Prove God, then come back to me.

Rights don’t exist anyway, beyond those recognized by society and the state.
Non sequitor
, Bringing a baby into a mother’s care that is economically or psychologically not ready for it is a bad idea, y’know.
Hamsters literally eat their own babies. So do polar bears. The fact that they wait until the offspring is out of the womb doesn’t have an impact.

1)Yes, so killing your unborn child is not in fact child murder,...yeah, makes sense. 2)God is real, I don't care what you think about it, as it's doesn't pertain to the subject, how is that a non sequitur? 3)Nice way of deflecting, and, ignoring my argument there. You ignored what I said about adoption, and regardless it is her responsibility. Hamsters do that because the child is sickly, and most likely would have died anyway, thus increasing her other offsprings chances by freeing up resources, it is done to ensure the survival of her offspring, not to wipe them out. I don't feel like putting in all those quotes, gtg anyway.

1) Since abortion is legal correct it is not murder, by definition. Homicide, maybe, murder no.
2) Even if this where true...and?
3) That was not ignoring your comment. Adoption does not solve the issue of an unwanted pregnancy.
4) Funny thing, many women who have had previous children have abortions. "In 2015, women with one or more previous live births accounted for 59.3% of abortions, and women with no previous live births accounted for 40.7%" From my previous source I have linked.

[Estanglia]

It does in some cases.

Murder requires the action to be illegal.

Yeah, so I guess that means the holocaust didn't involve murder, as the Jews didn't have rights.

Damn, you jumped from abortion to the Holocaust.

I hope I don't have to explain the differences, like the Holocaust sitting in a bit of a legal grey area (the Nazis basically ignored laws when it suited them), it being of actual people etc.

[Dogmeat]

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...that... really doesn't answer what I said. Did you read what I wrote?

Yes there are two options for a unwanted pregnancy, peranting or adoption. Only if rape, incest, or certain death is involved Abortion can happen.

The inclusion of incest into these exception always proves relatively (hehe) quickly that the person talking really hasn't thought about it at all.

Because, why incest? Are you afraid of congenital defects? Then why is there no exception for congenital defects? Genetic problems? Then why no exception for genetic problems? Keeping in mind that there's every possibility that a child born of incest could be completely healthy. We don't know anything is wrong with them for sure, so you're not killing them because there's a definite problem. You're killing them "because incest."

Now I think people should be able to get abortions for whatever reason, but people who think abortion is murder and should be restricted are basically saying that "if your parents are cousins, you deserve to be murdered, even if there's nothing wrong with you."

Which is fantastically immoral, but you've never even thought about it, have you?

[Oxes Republic]

Adoption and after birth services need to be expanded, yes. Abortion is manslaughter after 24 weeks when the fetus becomes a sentient being. The murder of a sentient being with resonable provocation is manslaughter. Except most abortions occur due to unwanted fetuses, not because the woman’s life is on the line or she was raped.

[The New California Republic]

Abortion is manslaughter after 24 weeks when the fetus becomes a sentient being.

No. You have shifted tack from murder to manslaughter; but your analysis still fails, as the fetus still isn't a person, so it isn't manslaughter either...

[Neutraligon]

Adoption and after birth services need to be expanded, yes. Abortion is manslaughter after 24 weeks when the fetus becomes a sentient being. The murder of a sentient being with resonable provocation is manslaughter. Except most abortions occur due to unwanted fetuses, not because the woman’s life is on the line or she was raped.

It is also not manslaughter, and most abortions re done in the first trimester. Those after 21 weeks only 1.3% of abortions occur, and I would guess most of those are due to life of the mother, nonviable fetus, not being able to get an abortion before due to all the hurdles put in women's way, and possibly not knowing they where pregnant until very late.

[Northern Guaniet Sover]

Adoption and after birth services need to be expanded, yes. Abortion is manslaughter after 24 weeks when the fetus becomes a sentient being. The murder of a sentient being with resonable provocation is manslaughter. Except most abortions occur due to unwanted fetuses, not because the woman’s life is on the line or she was raped.

It is also not manslaughter, and most abortions re done in the first trimester. Those after 21 weeks only 1.3% of abortions occur, and I would guess most of those are due to life of the mother, nonviable fetus, not being able to get an abortion before due to all the hurdles put in women's way, and possibly not knowing they where pregnant until very late.

Ha you know why they are normally first timers because the person normally has regrets about and never does it again and lives happily ever after the end

[The New California Republic]

Ha you know why they are normally first timers because the person normally has regrets about and never does it again and lives happily ever after the end

...the fuck?

[Northern Guaniet Sover]

Ha you know why they are normally first timers because the person normally has regrets about and never does it again and lives happily ever after the end

...the fuck?

PG buddy ok now go drink you juice box little baby

[The New California Republic]

...the fuck?

PG buddy ok now go drink you juice box little baby

[Neutraligon]

PG buddy ok now go drink you juice box little baby

I'm reading it as they have kid, regret having a kid, and never want to have another kid.

[Oxes Republic]

This is my main argument the fetus is a human before 24 weeks in 1 article Enjoy!

[Vassenor]

Meanwhile the Texas GOP wants to make women exercising the right to control their bodies a capital crime.

[The New California Republic]

This is my main argument the fetus is a human before 24 weeks in 1 article Enjoy!

Ignored, since you can't take the time to formulate your own argument and rely on just dumping an entire article here instead.

[Neutraligon]

This is my main argument the fetus is a human before 24 weeks in 1 article Enjoy!

Mind just posting the arguments here?

[Vassenor]

This is my main argument the fetus is a human before 24 weeks in 1 article Enjoy!

Ignored, since you can't take the time to formulate your own argument and rely on just dumping an entire article here instead.

Pretty much this. Don't we have rules against blind-dumping links like that?

[Wallenburg]

This is my main argument the fetus is a human before 24 weeks in 1 article Enjoy!

Unless you are Emma Green, this isn't your argument. Most pro-life people here, even though they spout the same old arguments in a near-cyclical manner, at least pretend to exercise independent thought.

[Neutraligon]

Did very quick look over of the first few paragraphs of the article. Looks to be a bunch of "science is on our side" and appeals to emotion\
As to the article about texas

regardless of any contrary federal law, executive order, or court decision.

Yeah that won't work.

[Jakker]

PG buddy ok now go drink you juice box little baby

Not really seeing how that was necessary or served any purpose other to personally attack. *** Warned for Flaming ***

[Northern Davincia]

Meanwhile the Texas GOP wants to make women exercising the right to control their bodies a capital crime.

It's not going to pass. That much is obvious, but there's really no avenue for that to advance far.