Was the New Left a Mistake?

[Communal concils]

New Left: a social-liberal Movement in the 1960's to 70's in the west that focus on reforms on civil rights and counterculture against the social conservatism of western society.

Like the "old" Left, the New "Left" is a anti-capitalist movements. Though, it values certain social issues more than other historical leftist movements. The social views it has are nearly identical views to Modern Liberalism. Therefor, it valued Reform over Revolution. At least in America, it had taked the form of College Student protest and activism. So, it was mostly focus on the young generation of it's time.
Old Leftism was focus on a working class, an Oppress Majority (instead of an oppress minority mindset of New Leftism). It goal was to create economic social justice, while New Leftism was focus on a social Justice that is nearly the same as Liberals.
what's your opinion on this movement, and does it actually have a positive impact today?

My Opinion: The New Left did not actually help leftism. The already established views of the suppose "Old" Left did not go reject anything they did. However, the leftist of old have done more than any western successor to the Historical movement of "New" Leftism. At best, it's unofficial Social democracy. At worse, it's Liberalism that likes the color red, and it is unconsciously loving the bourgeoisie lifestyle. Every time they look at historical examples of their desired system, they have idealistic fantasy about it, or they complain about it not going their way.

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[Azlaake]

I don't necessarily think it was or is a mistake, that's just your opinion

[Wisentia]

If "New Left" found its zenith in things like "Third Way Democrats", "New Labour", the Dutch and Belgian purple cabinets, the German Hartz IV laws, and so forth, it was a giant mistake.

I am reminded of the words of Berkhof: "Any ideology that weds itself to one generation, will be a widow in the next generation."

[Communal concils]

I don't necessarily think it was or is a mistake, that's just your opinion

Everybody does have opinions.

[Azlaake]

I don't necessarily think it was or is a mistake, that's just your opinion

Everybody does have opinions.

I may not agree with you, but I respect your decision

[Chan Island]

The real question here for op is do you consider them to be that distinct? Most people in the so called old left fully support the social justice goals that your so called new left espouses.

Going back to the 60s for example, the Soviet Union had enshrined in law many equal opportunities things that would take years to be copied in the west, like equal pay between sexes. And it didn't have the absurdity that was segregation going on (a fact that the Soviets actively used as a recruitment tool pretty successfully). So how much of a mistake was the so called new left focus on social issues where there was such an obvious injustice?

[Communal concils]

If "New Left" found its zenith in things like "Third Way Democrats", "New Labour", the Dutch and Belgian purple cabinets, the German Hartz IV laws, and so forth, it was a giant mistake.

I am reminded of the words of Berkhof: "Any ideology that weds itself to one generation, will be a widow in the next generation."

In many ways, it's exactly like that.

[Grenartia]

Hot take: You're just a social conservative that can't grasp the fact that the social order of the day is in part, motivated by the very capitalist oppression you claim to want to destroy, and yet you want to continue to uphold it, because you don't care about the liberation of oppressed peoples everywhere, only the liberation of yourself.

[Communal concils]

The real question here for op is do you consider them to be that distinct? Most people in the so called old left fully support the social justice goals that your so called new left espouses.

Going back to the 60s for example, the Soviet Union had enshrined in law many equal opportunities things that would take years to be copied in the west, like equal pay between sexes. And it didn't have the absurdity that was segregation going on (a fact that the Soviets actively used as a recruitment tool pretty successfully). So how much of a mistake was the so called new left focus on social issues where there was such an obvious injustice?

My criticism is not that it supports minorities, but it alienates it's self from the usual demographics that leftism is suppose to represent. I admire the Soviet's union efforts to create equality among people, but they were not as liberal leaning as the New Left.New Leftism to me is liberalism with Far-Leftist aesthetics combined with idealism and failure to appeal to lower classes.

[Communal concils]

Hot take: You're just a social conservative that can't grasp the fact that the social order of the day is in part, motivated by the very capitalist oppression you claim to want to destroy, and yet you want to continue to uphold it, because you don't care about the liberation of oppressed peoples everywhere, only the liberation of yourself.

I'm not a social conservative, simply because I seek to abolish everything a conservative values. I want to abolish today's gender norms, and I question the importance of societies views on marriage.

I do care for people of various Backgrounds, I just don't believe in the Liberal concept of magically making people cooperate.
Just so you know, I am anti-Racist , Anti Imperialist and anti-Fascist. So there is nothing reactionary about my beliefs.

[Yusseria]

Yes. Modern leftism has always been a mistake.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Yes. Modern leftism has always been a mistake.

I agree, and it infested our college system like a virus.

[Autonomous Cleaner Bot Cleaners]

Yes. Modern leftism has always been a mistake.

I agree, and it infested our college system like a virus.

That's meningitis and mono. Nothing to do with the New Left, unless it has opinions on dense student housing.

[The Great-German Empire]

It was a mistake in that it made the more empty, useless aspects of leftism like constant whining about race mainstream. When it comes to New Left-actual leftism relations, I can't say because I am right-wing. That being said, the New Left had its perks loosening the almost-prudist culture of old, giving us the unrestrained, unregulated gems of western late '70s-early '00s culture.

[Zvahili]

Yes. Modern leftism has always been a mistake.

I agree, and it infested our college system like a virus.

But to be fair: that's because modern rightwingers are often too stupid to finish highschool... or already in their forties. Or both.

/ irony off.

[Communal concils]

Yes. Modern leftism has always been a mistake.

I would argue that it's a issue with Left-Libertarianism in general, and it's that Leftism that would argue for everything you expect from a stereotype of leftist.If you look in non-western nations, Far-Leftist movements are more likely to do something useful for their nations. In my opinion, it's Liberal democracy that allow such ideological limitations.

[The New California Republic]

Hot take: You're just a social conservative that can't grasp the fact that the social order of the day is in part, motivated by the very capitalist oppression you claim to want to destroy, and yet you want to continue to uphold it, because you don't care about the liberation of oppressed peoples everywhere, only the liberation of yourself.

I'm not a social conservative, simply because I seek to abolish everything a conservative values. I want to abolish today's gender norms, and I question the importance of societies views on marriage.

I do care for people of various Backgrounds, I just don't believe in the Liberal concept of magically making people cooperate.
Just so you know, I am anti-Racist , Anti Imperialist and anti-Fascist. So there is nothing reactionary about my beliefs.

You have repeatedly said on previous occasions that you want to ban non-reproductive sex. You have definite traits of social conservatism, and you are quite reactionary regarding sexual matters:

people aren't allowed to have Non-reproductive sex. However the sex allowed would be focused on Natalism. Their will be attempts to show the populous the reproductive method is better than those that don't make offspring. celibacy and asexualism would be encourage as a method for those that don't chose reproduction.

[Northern Jackaia]

New leftism? Oh god no, anything but more leftists.

[Azlaake]

New leftism? Oh god no, anything but more liberals.

You know what was a mistake????
The AN

[Communal concils]

It was a mistake in that it made the more empty, useless aspects of leftism like constant whining about race mainstream. When it comes to New Left-actual leftism relations, I can't say because I am right-wing. That being said, the New Left had its perks loosening the almost-prudist culture of old, giving us the unrestrained, unregulated gems of western late '70s-early '00s culture.

not only that, it gave up the ideal of class warfare and a populistic revolution. Without that, it's useless.
In general, i hate leftist groups that affiliate with liberal and Neo-liberal social views.

[Aman Danakil]

New leftism? Oh god no, anything but more liberals.

Here is something to consider: by most non-American standards, liberals are centre-right, whereas the left is ... on the other side of the centre.

[Azlaake]

New leftism? Oh god no, anything but more liberals.

Here is something to consider: by most non-American standards, liberals are centre-right, whereas the left is ... on the other side of the centre.

DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISM FTW

[Northern Jackaia]

my whole life it a lie. America is a lie.

[Aman Danakil]

not only that, it gave up the ideal of class warfare and a populistic revolution. Without that, it's useless.
In general, i hate leftist groups that affiliate with liberal and Neo-liberal social views.

Such as: I have mine, I don't care how you get yours? Because that is a major part of neo-liberal thought, in my experience.

[The Great-German Empire]

not only that, it gave up the ideal of class warfare and a populistic revolution. Without that, it's useless.
In general, i hate leftist groups that affiliate with liberal and Neo-liberal social views.

Now, I'm just a 'filthy' rightist to you, but I think there is much benefit in having a more civilized 'left' at the negotiating table. I really think we on the right could learn a thing or two about making large multinationals respect popular and national interest. Meanwhile class warfare just breeds excessive hate, making people separate from one another in preparation for a grand war/revolution which will, let's face it, no longer ever happen.