by Communal concils » Tue Apr 09, 2019 1:56 pm
by Azlaake » Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:00 pm
by Wisentia » Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:02 pm
by Communal concils » Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:03 pm
Azlaake wrote:I don't necessarily think it was or is a mistake, that's just your opinion
by Azlaake » Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:05 pm
by Chan Island » Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:05 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:"It's not time yet" is a tactic used by reactionaries in every era. "It's not time for democracy, it's not time for capitalism, it's not time for emancipation." Of course it's not time. It's never time, not on its own. You make it time. If you're under fire in the no-man's land of WW1, you start digging a foxhole even if the ideal time would be when you *aren't* being bombarded, because once you wait for it to be 'time', other situations will need your attention, assuming you survive that long. If the fields aren't furrowed, plow them. If the iron is not hot, make it so. If society is not ready, change it.
by Communal concils » Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:07 pm
Wisentia wrote:If "New Left" found its zenith in things like "Third Way Democrats", "New Labour", the Dutch and Belgian purple cabinets, the German Hartz IV laws, and so forth, it was a giant mistake.
I am reminded of the words of Berkhof: "Any ideology that weds itself to one generation, will be a widow in the next generation."
by Grenartia » Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:10 pm
by Communal concils » Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:14 pm
Chan Island wrote:The real question here for op is do you consider them to be that distinct? Most people in the so called old left fully support the social justice goals that your so called new left espouses.
Going back to the 60s for example, the Soviet Union had enshrined in law many equal opportunities things that would take years to be copied in the west, like equal pay between sexes. And it didn't have the absurdity that was segregation going on (a fact that the Soviets actively used as a recruitment tool pretty successfully). So how much of a mistake was the so called new left focus on social issues where there was such an obvious injustice?
by Communal concils » Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:20 pm
Grenartia wrote:Hot take: You're just a social conservative that can't grasp the fact that the social order of the day is in part, motivated by the very capitalist oppression you claim to want to destroy, and yet you want to continue to uphold it, because you don't care about the liberation of oppressed peoples everywhere, only the liberation of yourself.
by LiberNovusAmericae » Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:27 pm
Yusseria wrote:Yes. Modern leftism has always been a mistake.
by Autonomous Cleaner Bot Cleaners » Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:31 pm
by The Great-German Empire » Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:32 pm
Vossische Zeitung: The Chancellor, Baron Hartmann, announced in a rally that he will 'work tirelessly against the formation of a society of control' | Hungary edges out Germany 4-3 in Euro Cup final; Kaiser personally congratulates Hungarians for an 'exceptional' game | According to survey, 73% of Germans oppose an introduction of speed limits on major Autobahns
by Communal concils » Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:35 pm
Yusseria wrote:Yes. Modern leftism has always been a mistake.
by The New California Republic » Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:37 pm
Communal concils wrote:Grenartia wrote:Hot take: You're just a social conservative that can't grasp the fact that the social order of the day is in part, motivated by the very capitalist oppression you claim to want to destroy, and yet you want to continue to uphold it, because you don't care about the liberation of oppressed peoples everywhere, only the liberation of yourself.
I'm not a social conservative, simply because I seek to abolish everything a conservative values. I want to abolish today's gender norms, and I question the importance of societies views on marriage.
I do care for people of various Backgrounds, I just don't believe in the Liberal concept of magically making people cooperate.
Just so you know, I am anti-Racist , Anti Imperialist and anti-Fascist. So there is nothing reactionary about my beliefs.
Communal concils wrote:people aren't allowed to have Non-reproductive sex. However the sex allowed would be focused on Natalism. Their will be attempts to show the populous the reproductive method is better than those that don't make offspring. celibacy and asexualism would be encourage as a method for those that don't chose reproduction.
by Northern Jackaia » Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:38 pm
by Azlaake » Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:39 pm
Northern Jackaia wrote:New leftism? Oh god no, anything but more liberals.
by Communal concils » Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:40 pm
The Great-German Empire wrote:It was a mistake in that it made the more empty, useless aspects of leftism like constant whining about race mainstream. When it comes to New Left-actual leftism relations, I can't say because I am right-wing. That being said, the New Left had its perks loosening the almost-prudist culture of old, giving us the unrestrained, unregulated gems of western late '70s-early '00s culture.
by Aman Danakil » Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:40 pm
Northern Jackaia wrote:New leftism? Oh god no, anything but more liberals.
by Azlaake » Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:41 pm
by Northern Jackaia » Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:41 pm
by Aman Danakil » Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:42 pm
Communal concils wrote:not only that, it gave up the ideal of class warfare and a populistic revolution. Without that, it's useless.
In general, i hate leftist groups that affiliate with liberal and Neo-liberal social views.
by The Great-German Empire » Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:46 pm
Communal concils wrote:
not only that, it gave up the ideal of class warfare and a populistic revolution. Without that, it's useless.
In general, i hate leftist groups that affiliate with liberal and Neo-liberal social views.
Vossische Zeitung: The Chancellor, Baron Hartmann, announced in a rally that he will 'work tirelessly against the formation of a society of control' | Hungary edges out Germany 4-3 in Euro Cup final; Kaiser personally congratulates Hungarians for an 'exceptional' game | According to survey, 73% of Germans oppose an introduction of speed limits on major Autobahns
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