by Orange-Bourgogne » Tue Apr 09, 2019 5:07 am
by Bears Armed » Tue Apr 09, 2019 5:11 am
by Orange-Bourgogne » Tue Apr 09, 2019 5:19 am
Bears Armed wrote:OOC; If the law allows confiscation of convicted traitors' estates, as has been the case in some RL nations, then that potentially gives the authorities an extra reason for post-mortem prosecution...
by Candlewhisper Archive » Tue Apr 09, 2019 5:59 am
Have you any idea what smell that would bring with it?!
by Orange-Bourgogne » Tue Apr 09, 2019 10:45 am
by Autonomous Cleaner Bot Cleaners » Tue Apr 09, 2019 10:59 am
by Australian rePublic » Tue Apr 09, 2019 5:03 pm
by Orange-Bourgogne » Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:43 am
Autonomous Cleaner Bot Cleaners wrote:Law &
Order
Weekend At Bernies
**BUM BUM**
Seriously, though, perhaps the Violetists might be the one's proposing posthumous trial. Something along the lines of the Cadaver Synod, if Violetism is compatible in some way. I'd think it ordinarily difficult to see a nominally secular government going to the trouble and expense, outside of extremely exceptional circumstances (e.g. establishing the historical fact and/or culpability of some war crime, or similar).
Autonomous Cleaner Bot Cleaners wrote:Also, title should be "Habeus Corpses."
Australian rePublic wrote:When I read this I thought that this was about places where it's illegal to die. What are you gonna do, kill him? (Try to include that line somewhere).
Australian rePublic wrote:Also, if he hasn't had his trial yet, how do we know that he's guilty? Presumption of innocence
by Australian rePublic » Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:44 am
Orange-Bourgogne wrote:Autonomous Cleaner Bot Cleaners wrote:Law &
Order
Weekend At Bernies
**BUM BUM**
Seriously, though, perhaps the Violetists might be the one's proposing posthumous trial. Something along the lines of the Cadaver Synod, if Violetism is compatible in some way. I'd think it ordinarily difficult to see a nominally secular government going to the trouble and expense, outside of extremely exceptional circumstances (e.g. establishing the historical fact and/or culpability of some war crime, or similar).
This would also have been an option of course, but I choose the divine interference to take place during the lives so that it would scare potential criminals to commit their actions rather than having them punished in the afterlife.Autonomous Cleaner Bot Cleaners wrote:Also, title should be "Habeus Corpses."
I like it. This suggestion will be implemented.Australian rePublic wrote:When I read this I thought that this was about places where it's illegal to die. What are you gonna do, kill him? (Try to include that line somewhere).
I left that one out to make the issue also applicable to nations that do not have capital punishment.Australian rePublic wrote:Also, if he hasn't had his trial yet, how do we know that he's guilty? Presumption of innocence
The question here is not whether the suspect is in fact guilty. The question is whether the prosecution may start a trial in which they would then have to prove that he is in fact guilty. Perhaps I will make another issue to deal with the question of guilt in the future.
by Verdant Haven » Thu Apr 11, 2019 6:33 am
by Autonomous Cleaner Bot Cleaners » Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:26 pm
Verdant Haven wrote:If this were framed as argument for or against pursuing evidence of past wrongdoing in one of those non-trial contexts, I think it would be much stronger, and would gain the ring of truth that it needs.
by Verdant Haven » Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:44 pm
Autonomous Cleaner Bot Cleaners wrote:Verdant Haven wrote:If this were framed as argument for or against pursuing evidence of past wrongdoing in one of those non-trial contexts, I think it would be much stronger, and would gain the ring of truth that it needs.
Plus, you could still have the crazy third option, where some Violetist insists that you've got to dig up the actual corpse and present it at trial. Or, maybe an overly enthusiastic paralegal interpreting "habeus corpus" a bit too literally. Or a Constitutional literalist, for that matter.
by Maltropia » Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:47 pm
by Israeli Commonwealth » Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:48 pm
Orange-Bourgogne wrote:My first draft issue. Critique is welcome.
Habeus Corpses
The Prosecution Office accuses @@RANDOMNAME@@ of treason. The only problem is that the suspect died two years ago.
Requirements: Must have a judicial system.
@@RANDOMNAMEFEMALE@@, the defence barrister, claims that her client can by no means be tried. “How can you accuse a person that has ceased to exist? Should we send his body to trial? Have you any idea what smell that would bring with it?! In the next case, the prosecution will probably try convicting @@ANIMALPLURAL@@ too. Clearly, the case should be dismissed!”
Effect: Suspects commit suicide in order to avoid trial.
“OBJECTION!”, shouts @@RANDOMNAME@@ wearing a black gown and a wig, @@NAME@@’s chief prosecutor. We have undoubtable proof that the suspect is guilty. It just took us thirteen years to find that out! Surely, criminals must be punished for their crimes; if not, @@NAME@@ will become a paradise for the parasites of society. They must serve their sentences, even if their bodies suffer from a permanent health condition like death.”
Effect: Skeletons serve prison sentences 500 years after they committed their crimes.
“Holy Violet!” A man responds. “Why do we punish criminals at all? Is it not true that only the Mighty Violet may pass down judgement on us mortals? Clearly, if the High Violet is of the opinion that a crime was made, She will intervene and strike the person with lightning.”
Effect: Criminals have a 0.00000002% chance of being punished for their behaviour.
Author: Orange-Bourgogne
by Autonomous Cleaner Bot Cleaners » Thu Apr 11, 2019 1:02 pm
by Australian rePublic » Fri Apr 12, 2019 3:55 am
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