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by Candlewhisper Archive » Mon Apr 08, 2019 1:56 am
by Valentine Z » Mon Apr 08, 2019 2:08 am
Candlewhisper Archive wrote:Ha, that's up to you. I'm not going to tell you what issue option does what, though Trotterdam's stat thing is pretty good if stat manipulation is your primary goal.
My personal advice though is to pick a way to answer issues for each nation that isn't stat-dependent. For Candlewhisper Archive, we pursue advancement of technology at any cost, though the people are also largely libertarian. As a side effect, we appear to have annihilated in my environment. In my puppet nation of DoNoHarm the government seeks maximum control of its citizens, and just playing to that role has driven the nation up to near the top of the Ideological Radicality graphs. In First And Only Archive, FinalAnswer Archive and Middlemidden I answer according to the option's position in the issue (first, last and middle respectively). Then Soldiersend Archive is all about militant Christianity, and Utopian Archiveis where I pick the answers that fit my own personal morality best, though admittedly with no concern over the cost to the taxpayer.
There's no "right" way to play, buy my personal experience is that getting into the mindset of a given nation and playing it to the hilt is a fun way to create a nation which over time has a very polarised form.
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by Hexicore » Mon Apr 08, 2019 11:34 am
by Trotterdam » Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:07 pm
The issue in question is #5.Hexicore wrote:I did not even think to remember them and could not locate either the name or number after the fact.
by Chilean Syndicates » Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:58 pm
by Merni » Mon Apr 08, 2019 11:36 pm
Chilean Syndicates wrote:(snip)
I selected that option with the logical objective of reducing the already low corruption, but instead it rose more than 200%. I think this could be an error, for the extreme change, or maybe I'm doing something wrong. Thanks
Candlewhisper Archive wrote:(snip)
"Why did this stat change by X%? That's too much / too little!"
The percentage change depends on your starting point.
If you have a statistic of 5, and the game code says add +2 to this, you'll see an increase of +40%.
If you have a statistic of 100, and the game code says add +2 to this, you'll see an increase of +2%.
If you have a statistic of 0.01, and the game code says add +2 to this, you'll see an increase of +20000%.
The perceived magnitude of effect that you are experiencing often results from being a new nation. The earliest issues you answer always cause massive stat changes, as you're adding small numbers to small numbers. As time goes on you'll find that the same issues will often now barely affect things at all, as you're adding small numbers to very large numbers.
Corollary: If you see NO stat effects, the simulation isn't broken. Rather, the decision was in keeping with where your current stat model suggests you are ideologically and structurally, so no stat changes were needed.
Look on it not so much as a direct cause and effect thing, but rather the game working out the nature of your nation. The more information it gathers, the closer it moves your simulation to where you're likely to truly be. It's kind of a collapsing waveform sort of thing. It's not quite that simple, but the main gist here is not to see the "effects" as part of a direct cause and effect model.
For example, if banning Grand Prix racing drops your tourism by 75%, it's not that Grand Prix racing represented 75% of your tourism, rather that the simulation is gathering information about your priorities, and slowly refining its simulation of those. Later on, when your nation has momentum, only decisions that are out of keeping with your previous direction will upset the overall simulation.
So long as you keep answering issues with a consistent style, and keep playing the game, your nation's simulation will grow more and more stable.
Don't worry about "buyer's regret" either. Early decisions in your nation's lifespan are no more inherently consequential than late ones: its the amalgamated effect of ALL your decisions that matters.
by Hexicore » Tue Apr 09, 2019 12:07 am
Trotterdam wrote:The issue in question is #5.Hexicore wrote:I did not even think to remember them and could not locate either the name or number after the fact.
However, I note on your RMB that you did not bring up the civil rights effect immediately after answering that issue, but rather four hours later, around the same time that you decided to raise newborns as mindless killing machines.
by Candlewhisper Archive » Tue Apr 09, 2019 3:25 am
Trotterdam wrote:The issue in question is #5.Hexicore wrote:I did not even think to remember them and could not locate either the name or number after the fact.
However, I note on your RMB that you did not bring up the civil rights effect immediately after answering that issue, but rather four hours later, around the same time that you decided to raise newborns as mindless killing machines.
by Candlewhisper Archive » Tue Apr 09, 2019 3:29 am
Chilean Syndicates wrote:Nation name: Chilean Syndicates
Issue encountered: 4/8/2019
Issue #294: Ghost Riders on the Sly
Following the passage of a well-supported bill that contained half a dozen riders, corruption watchdog groups are lobbying the government to take action against the use of these unrelated addenda in lawmaking.
I selected the option 1, which it says:
1. "This is unacceptable," says legislative clerk @@RANDOMNAME@@, peeking out from behind a wall of 3-ring binders. "It paves the way for corruption, eats up all our time and money, and, quite frankly, is exhausting! We must require each bill to have one – clearly defined – purpose and be able to state that purpose in a concise title. That way we won't have any more defense spending bills with addenda about cheese processing regulations. The industry will hate it, but if I have to read through one more schizophrenic morass, I'll quit!"
I selected that option with the logical objective of reducing the already low corruption, but instead it rose more than 200%. I think this could be an error, for the extreme change, or maybe I'm doing something wrong. Thanks
by Bisim » Thu Apr 11, 2019 9:39 am
by Candlewhisper Archive » Fri Apr 12, 2019 1:03 am
Bisim wrote:Today I answered issue No. 845, "A Comedy Of Errors" I choose option two. The main affect of this was an increase in the book publishing industry. Many of my other unrelated industries fell, but that is typical of NS issues.
My question is why, if Book Publishing increases dramatically, why wouldn't the Industry Timber Wood Chipping (logging), increase as well? Presumably more paper is needed to print the increased number of books?
by The Super Spoon » Fri Apr 12, 2019 11:25 am
“We could make everyone happy,” coos prematurely-grey former-teacher Margaret Vangelis, her bug-eyes seeming even larger through a thick pair of round-rimmed spectacles. “I admit, I used to be one of those hip ‘withhold nothing’ teachers. Then I had kids. The idea of my itty-bitty Sherlock hearing naughty words, in the name of ‘education’? Not on my watch, bucko. Big Government should stop legislating every tiny detail of our kids’ school day, and allow schools to teach any sex education curriculum they like: from no-holds-barred to nothing at all. Then parents will be free to choose the school that best suits their needs.”
by Candlewhisper Archive » Fri Apr 12, 2019 2:08 pm
by Blueflarst » Sun Apr 14, 2019 9:30 am
by Ransium » Sun Apr 14, 2019 9:34 am
Blueflarst wrote:an issue lowed my political freedoms and civil rights without reason
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IT RAISED MY AUTHORITARIANISM AND CORRUPTION
such anger
by Blueflarst » Sun Apr 14, 2019 9:36 am
Ransium wrote:Blueflarst wrote:an issue lowed my political freedoms and civil rights without reason
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IT RAISED MY AUTHORITARIANISM AND CORRUPTION
such anger
I've merged your post into the unusual issue effects megathread.
by Candlewhisper Archive » Sun Apr 14, 2019 12:27 pm
The Super Spoon wrote:My nation has the sex education policy, and I got issue #840 Abstinence Makes the Heart Grow Fonder, and chose option #4“We could make everyone happy,” coos prematurely-grey former-teacher Margaret Vangelis, her bug-eyes seeming even larger through a thick pair of round-rimmed spectacles. “I admit, I used to be one of those hip ‘withhold nothing’ teachers. Then I had kids. The idea of my itty-bitty Sherlock hearing naughty words, in the name of ‘education’? Not on my watch, bucko. Big Government should stop legislating every tiny detail of our kids’ school day, and allow schools to teach any sex education curriculum they like: from no-holds-barred to nothing at all. Then parents will be free to choose the school that best suits their needs.”
I expected this to repeal my sex education policy, but it did not.
Any reason why?
by Blueflarst » Sun Apr 14, 2019 12:47 pm
do i deserve a 27,4 increase on authritarianism for reforming my language? also why it lowers my political freedoms 30%?Candlewhisper Archive wrote:The Super Spoon wrote:My nation has the sex education policy, and I got issue #840 Abstinence Makes the Heart Grow Fonder, and chose option #4
I expected this to repeal my sex education policy, but it did not.
Any reason why?
The policy reversal was added to this option, as I note above, but the discussion has been re-opened backstage. The change may or may not be reverted according to the discussion's outcome. Will keep you posted.
by Kuviran » Sun Apr 14, 2019 2:33 pm
by The Free Joy State » Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:30 pm
Blueflarst wrote:an issue lowed my political freedoms and civil rights without reason
http://prntscr.com/nbtm62 http://prntscr.com/nbtmgy
http://prntscr.com/nbtmnc
IT RAISED MY AUTHORITARIANISM AND CORRUPTION
such anger
Kuviran wrote:My nation, Kuviran, ran into an issue regarding Issue 878, DoublePlusUnGood. This was encountered today, 14/4/2019.
The question was asked before, but the issue I’m facing was not answered at that time, as the responses focused on a different part of the overall question. My issue is that, when choosing option 2, which states “Grab those who complain, and strip them of their liberty by putting them to forced labour in service of the state. Good citizens will have the incentive to behave better, and our economy will benefit from a costless workforce,” my authoritarinism score went down 14.7%, taking me from a score of 10.9k to 9.3k.(Image)
I’m wondering how it makes sense that, in enslaving the workforce to the state specifically (and not to independent slave owners), authoritarianism goes down instead of up. There should be no logical explanation for this.
by Kuviran » Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:45 am
The Free Joy State wrote:I see what that is. There is a balance of rights here (the reduced rights of your people by making those who disobey into slaves and the increased freedom of businesses -- state and private -- to not pay their new slaves any money) that would -- in many nations -- usually be outweighed by the reduced rights of the enforced slavery. However, in your individual nation, your people's rights can't really get much lower.
So the freedom to have a costless workforce outweighed the lost rights of your citizens and resulted in reduced authoritarianism.
by The Free Joy State » Mon Apr 15, 2019 10:10 pm
Kuviran wrote:The Free Joy State wrote:I see what that is. There is a balance of rights here (the reduced rights of your people by making those who disobey into slaves and the increased freedom of businesses -- state and private -- to not pay their new slaves any money) that would -- in many nations -- usually be outweighed by the reduced rights of the enforced slavery. However, in your individual nation, your people's rights can't really get much lower.
So the freedom to have a costless workforce outweighed the lost rights of your citizens and resulted in reduced authoritarianism.
Thank you for your response, though I do have some follow-up concerns.
There is no private industry nor privately-held businesses in my country. Therefore, enslaving my population would only benefit the state (just me, since it's an authoritarian government headed by a monarch). Are you suggesting that the state granting (to itself) the ability to enslave its population is increasing freedom (of itself) outweighing the minimal but still statistical loss of economic freedoms of its population? This decision benefits nobody but my character and the members of their government. That sounds like, at the very least, it should have kept my authoritarianism score neutral, but barring the existence of private-sector slavery, I can't see any reason why it should have lowered it.
by The Free Joy State » Tue Apr 16, 2019 3:10 am
Agnatoli wrote:This is not an effect, but it's the unexpected issue stuff
Why didn't I receive the 3rd option in #831(The Universe Creation Day)??? I didn't ban religon???
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