USSR collapsed rather fast, North Korea is a dictatorial shithole, Cuba is dealing with crippling poverty, Vietnam used to be poor before it switched to a capitalist system with communism as a rubber stamp, same as China
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by Aureumterra » Thu Apr 04, 2019 3:19 pm
by El-Amin Caliphate » Thu Apr 04, 2019 3:20 pm
Aureumterra wrote:El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Well you'd have to show when communism was attempted.
USSR collapsed rather fast, North Korea is a dictatorial shi*hole, Cuba is dealing with crippling poverty, Vietnam used to be poor before it switched to a capitalist system with communism as a rubber stamp, same as China
https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people
Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)
by LiberNovusAmericae » Thu Apr 04, 2019 3:22 pm
by First American Empire » Thu Apr 04, 2019 3:22 pm
Elletolis wrote:Eh, if there is going to be any kind of revolution against the current status quo in the US (violent or non-violent) it will probably be led by a coalition of moderates and relative-moderates (ie people not on the far-left or far-right) demanding constitutional reform to end the two-party system and poorly incentivized voting practices. Once plurality in politics has been embraced (and someone finally does something to stop morally bankrupt media companies from exploiting fringe issues for profit) extremist won't be able to piggy back off of major parties and movements any longer, and they'll finally crawl off into a corner to die, as they should have decades ago.
by LiberNovusAmericae » Thu Apr 04, 2019 3:24 pm
First American Empire wrote:Elletolis wrote:Eh, if there is going to be any kind of revolution against the current status quo in the US (violent or non-violent) it will probably be led by a coalition of moderates and relative-moderates (ie people not on the far-left or far-right) demanding constitutional reform to end the two-party system and poorly incentivized voting practices. Once plurality in politics has been embraced (and someone finally does something to stop morally bankrupt media companies from exploiting fringe issues for profit) extremist won't be able to piggy back off of major parties and movements any longer, and they'll finally crawl off into a corner to die, as they should have decades ago.
The status quo in the US is so entrenched that it would require an unholy alliance between both the moderates and the radical left to overturn it.
by El-Amin Caliphate » Thu Apr 04, 2019 3:25 pm
https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people
Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)
by LiberNovusAmericae » Thu Apr 04, 2019 3:28 pm
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:LiberNovusAmericae wrote:No, they only self-describe themselves as such, and are admired by communists abroad. They magically became non-communist because you say so.
And because they literally don't/didn't follow the 3 basic tenets of communism: classlessness, statelessness and no currency. Also, being admire by someone doesn't mean anything in terms of personal ideological standing.
by El-Amin Caliphate » Thu Apr 04, 2019 3:30 pm
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:El-Amin Caliphate wrote:And because they literally don't/didn't follow the 3 basic tenets of communism: classlessness, statelessness and no currency. Also, being admire by someone doesn't mean anything in terms of personal ideological standing.
Yes, those three things didn't happen because the experiment was a failure. It is an unachievable ideal that results in bloodshed every single time it is attempted. Just because it didn't make it to the end state does not mean it doesn't count as an attempt.
https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people
Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)
by Valrifell » Thu Apr 04, 2019 3:31 pm
by Aureumterra » Thu Apr 04, 2019 3:38 pm
Valrifell wrote:Nobody questions whether or not Nazi Germany.
Valrifell wrote:or Mussolini's Italy were Fascist.
by First American Empire » Thu Apr 04, 2019 3:42 pm
by LiberNovusAmericae » Thu Apr 04, 2019 3:50 pm
First American Empire wrote:LiberNovusAmericae wrote:What about us Right-Libertarians? Many of us don't like the two party system either.
Maybe, but the only way to make real change in the US is to take control of one of the two main parties and get control of both Congress and the Presidency. The Republican party is currently a lost cause for political change, since its two main branches are "polite pro-status quo", and "angry racist pro-status quo". I don't see many Right-Libertarians allying with the Democrats in order to get electoral reforms at the moment, but it would certainly help if enough of them did that.
by Torrocca » Thu Apr 04, 2019 3:51 pm
Aureumterra wrote:Valrifell wrote:or Mussolini's Italy were Fascist.
Two things:The closest state in history to true fascism was Francoist Spain, but even then, it didn’t have socialism, which is a core part of fascism
- Mussolini invented Fascism (or at least had a part in it)
- Mussolini didn’t follow his own definition in terms of ideology
by LiberNovusAmericae » Thu Apr 04, 2019 4:00 pm
Torrocca wrote:LiberNovusAmericae wrote:No, they only self-describe themselves as such, and are admired by communists abroad. They magically became non-communist because you say so.
Yes, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics actually called itself the Union of Soviet Communist Republics. In other news, the Democratic People's Republic of North Korea is single-handedly the freest and most democratic place on Earth, and National Socialists are Socialists.
by Torrocca » Thu Apr 04, 2019 4:07 pm
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Torrocca wrote:
Yes, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics actually called itself the Union of Soviet Communist Republics. In other news, the Democratic People's Republic of North Korea is single-handedly the freest and most democratic place on Earth, and National Socialists are Socialists.
The Communist Party of the Soviet Union described itself as communist. It wasn't like it was the only legal political party in the country.
by United States of Natan » Thu Apr 04, 2019 4:09 pm
Then it's a lie. Everything Fox News says is a lie.
Even true things once said on Fox News become lies.
(Family Guy: Excellence in Broadcasting)
by Genivaria » Thu Apr 04, 2019 4:13 pm
Torrocca wrote:LiberNovusAmericae wrote:The Communist Party of the Soviet Union described itself as communist. It wasn't like it was the only legal political party in the country.
Whoa, a party that called itself Communist? That's so cool! And did they implement any of the well-known Communist ideas that make Communism, Communism, such as social ownership of the means of production? How about a stateless, classless, moneyless society? What about equality?
Yes, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics actually called itself the Union of Soviet Communist Republics.
by Torrocca » Thu Apr 04, 2019 4:19 pm
Genivaria wrote:Torrocca wrote:
Whoa, a party that called itself Communist? That's so cool! And did they implement any of the well-known Communist ideas that make Communism, Communism, such as social ownership of the means of production? How about a stateless, classless, moneyless society? What about equality?
You just used a self-described name as an argument for what that thing was, and now you're dismissing someone else doing the same fucking thing.Yes, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics actually called itself the Union of Soviet Communist Republics.
by Saiwania » Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:07 pm
by Great Minarchistan » Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:10 pm
San Lumen wrote:The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket wrote:Liberal democracy is perhaps unaffordable, but fascism remains far too much of a fringe for it to get the support it would need to seize power.
The said the same thing about Germany in the 1930s. Or that fringe far right groups would never take power again. They did in Hungary
by Kragholm Free States » Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:12 pm
Saiwania wrote:Adolf Hitler is my favorite politician. Sure, he's not perfect and made a lot of dumb decisions- but... he was still overall, the best Germany has ever had. His not listening to his generals on the Eastern Front, actually saved the situation a few times. He had the correct broad strategic view in wanting to capture the Caucasus instead of driving straight towards Moscow. Moscow's fall wouldn't have gained anything for the Germans like the capture of oil fields would have. Soviets would simply retreat to Ural mountains and use scorched earth until they recaptured Moscow again if Moscow was taken.
Hitler has politics I'd like to see more of on the world stage, well- asides from being so anti-Jew and anti-Slav when those peoples could've been assets, but raised in a different environment, he'd probably have different priorities in mind that're more relevant and less counterproductive.
The ultimate political leader I can get behind in my mind, is someone whom I can call daddy. Someone who can keep me safe, but will tell me what to do within reason.
by Great Minarchistan » Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:13 pm
Kragholm Free States wrote:Saiwania wrote:Adolf Hitler is my favorite politician. Sure, he's not perfect and made a lot of dumb decisions- but... he was still overall, the best Germany has ever had. His not listening to his generals on the Eastern Front, actually saved the situation a few times. He had the correct broad strategic view in wanting to capture the Caucasus instead of driving straight towards Moscow. Moscow's fall wouldn't have gained anything for the Germans like the capture of oil fields would have. Soviets would simply retreat to Ural mountains and use scorched earth until they recaptured Moscow again if Moscow was taken.
Hitler has politics I'd like to see more of on the world stage, well- asides from being so anti-Jew and anti-Slav when those peoples could've been assets, but raised in a different environment, he'd probably have different priorities in mind that're more relevant and less counterproductive.
The ultimate political leader I can get behind in my mind, is someone whom I can call daddy. Someone who can keep me safe, but will tell me what to do within reason.
oooh daddy hitler I've been a naughty little untermensch gas me harder
by The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:24 pm
Saiwania wrote:Adolf Hitler is my favorite politician. Sure, he's not perfect and made a lot of dumb decisions- but... he was still overall, the best Germany has ever had. His not listening to his generals on the Eastern Front, actually saved the situation a few times. He had the correct broad strategic view in wanting to capture the Caucasus instead of driving straight towards Moscow. Moscow's fall wouldn't have gained anything for the Germans like the capture of oil fields would have. Soviets would simply retreat to Ural mountains and use scorched earth until they recaptured Moscow again if Moscow was taken.
Hitler has politics I'd like to see more of on the world stage, well- asides from being so anti-Jew and anti-Slav when those peoples could've been assets, but raised in a different environment, he'd probably have different priorities in mind that're more relevant and less counterproductive.
The ultimate political leader I can get behind in my mind, is someone whom I can call daddy. Someone who can keep me safe, but will tell me what to do within reason.
Cossack Khanate wrote:This shall forever be known as World War Sh*t: Newark Aggression. Now if I see one more troop deployed, I will call on the force of all the Hindu gods to reverse time and wipe your race of the face of the planet. Cease.
The Black Party wrote:(TBP kamikaze's into all 99999999999 nukes before they hit our territory because we just have that many pilots ready to die for dah blak regime, we also counter-attack into your nation with our entire population of 45 million because this RP allows it.)
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by Aureumterra » Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:29 pm
Kragholm Free States wrote:Saiwania wrote:Adolf Hitler is my favorite politician. Sure, he's not perfect and made a lot of dumb decisions- but... he was still overall, the best Germany has ever had. His not listening to his generals on the Eastern Front, actually saved the situation a few times. He had the correct broad strategic view in wanting to capture the Caucasus instead of driving straight towards Moscow. Moscow's fall wouldn't have gained anything for the Germans like the capture of oil fields would have. Soviets would simply retreat to Ural mountains and use scorched earth until they recaptured Moscow again if Moscow was taken.
Hitler has politics I'd like to see more of on the world stage, well- asides from being so anti-Jew and anti-Slav when those peoples could've been assets, but raised in a different environment, he'd probably have different priorities in mind that're more relevant and less counterproductive.
The ultimate political leader I can get behind in my mind, is someone whom I can call daddy. Someone who can keep me safe, but will tell me what to do within reason.
oooh daddy hitler I've been a naughty little untermensch gas me harder
by Greater Loegria » Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:37 pm
Saiwania wrote:Adolf Hitler is my favorite politician. Sure, he's not perfect and made a lot of dumb decisions- but... he was still overall, the best Germany has ever had. His not listening to his generals on the Eastern Front, actually saved the situation a few times. He had the correct broad strategic view in wanting to capture the Caucasus instead of driving straight towards Moscow. Moscow's fall wouldn't have gained anything for the Germans like the capture of oil fields would have. Soviets would simply retreat to Ural mountains and use scorched earth until they recaptured Moscow again if Moscow was taken.
Hitler has politics I'd like to see more of on the world stage, well- asides from being so anti-Jew and anti-Slav when those peoples could've been assets, but raised in a different environment, he'd probably have different priorities in mind that're more relevant and less counterproductive.
The ultimate political leader I can get behind in my mind, is someone whom I can call daddy. Someone who can keep me safe, but will tell me what to do within reason.
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