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Postby Fedel » Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:48 pm

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Problem with comparing the US's left and right to rest of the world's left and right is that the US's is based more on social policies whereas other countries are based more on economics.

This is a central misunderstanding of the US political divide. You are conflating progressive and the left, while those are two different groups. The left is economic, but many leftists are also progressive. The two are not the same though, even though Fox News likes to conflate the two to score easy points.

For example: "Progressives want a free and just Republic? Why then do they want a Marxist dictatorship?!?"


I'm referring to the colloquial left as it's known in the USA.

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Postby Kowani » Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:48 pm

Ausinia wrote:
Kowani wrote:Thankfully, no.

Thanks, I didn’t know. It’s crazy that this happened. How bad is this compared to other shootings in NZ and AUS?

AUS, dunno. As for NZ, this is the worst one in their history, but it’s very rare. I think the last one prior to this was in the 90’s.
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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:49 pm

Khataiy wrote:May Allah accept the 50 martyrs, I ask God to be merciful to those who have been martyred and to heal those who have been wounded and to bring down His wrath and curse on every criminal who sheds the blood of innocent people.

Though I understand the anger and wish for revenge in your heart, I'm more inclined for us to forgive him. There's no use to exact any vengeance to him or his kind, since the dead remains death, at least in our human world. Let's just hope that he received a fair trial, and may Allah protect us from dangers like this to happen again.
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Postby Ausinia » Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:55 pm

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Ausinia wrote:Thanks, I didn’t know. It’s crazy that this happened. How bad is this compared to other shootings in NZ and AUS?

In NZ it was the worst in 200 years.


Jezzus, what the hell. The laws must have loose for an Aussie to be able to pick up a license and five guns and shoot up mosques. My best of hopes for those affected.
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Postby Amuaplye » Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:00 am

Kowani wrote:
Ausinia wrote:Thanks, I didn’t know. It’s crazy that this happened. How bad is this compared to other shootings in NZ and AUS?

AUS, dunno. As for NZ, this is the worst one in their history, but it’s very rare. I think the last one prior to this was in the 90’s.

Australia's deadliest shooting is the Port Arthur massacre in 1996, which killed 35 and wounded 23.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:02 am

Ausinia wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:In NZ it was the worst in 200 years.


Jezzus, what the hell. The laws must have loose for an Aussie to be able to pick up a license and five guns and shoot up mosques.


In his manifesto the shooter explicitly stated he hoped his usage of guns would spark another debate on guncontrol.
He also hoped that that would lead to civil war in the USA.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:05 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Ausinia wrote:
Jezzus, what the hell. The laws must have loose for an Aussie to be able to pick up a license and five guns and shoot up mosques.


In his manifesto the shooter explicitly stated he hoped his usage of guns would spark another debate on guncontrol.
He also hoped that that would lead to civil war in the USA.


Given how fucked everything has become that's not a totally outlandish goal tbh
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:09 am

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Eternal Lotharia wrote:I agree to an extent, but am cautious of the word treason.

I both agree with calling it treason, and do not agree with it, do I make sense?

No, I get it. It's not legally treason, obviously. It's more like allowing the continuous existence of a fifth column of saboteurs opposed to the nation building project that is the United States.

That's not treason.
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Khataiy wrote:May Allah accept the 50 martyrs, I ask God to be merciful to those who have been martyred and to heal those who have been wounded and to bring down His wrath and curse on every criminal who sheds the blood of innocent people.

Though I understand the anger and wish for revenge in your heart, I'm more inclined for us to forgive him. There's no use to exact any vengeance to him or his kind, since the dead remains death, at least in our human world. Let's just hope that he received a fair trial, and may Allah protect us from dangers like this to happen again.

Prophet Muhammad SAWS also asked for Allah's SWT punishment to come upon those who did wrongs like this, there's nothing wrong with that. Nonetheless, aameen to your du'a as well.
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Postby Eternal Lotharia » Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:10 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
In his manifesto the shooter explicitly stated he hoped his usage of guns would spark another debate on guncontrol.
He also hoped that that would lead to civil war in the USA.


Given how fucked everything has become that's not a totally outlandish goal tbh

I'll say it again:

Are we really going to fuck up global civilization and kill each other because of an 8Chan Shitposter?


This is how our society and united nations end?


Compared to the other global crises, that's just...disappointing man. It feels like something out of a comedy.


I'm not saying it's likely to happen, but the fact that it did stir Breitbart up and it could happen, even at a low percent rate...

That's just not fair! Why couldn't it have been Syria, if anything? Just, this?


I don't want this to happen over memes.

This is why we can't have nice things!
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Eternal Lotharia wrote:....
To be fair that's probably what most AOC, Gillum, and Bernie supporters think it is.

Which....

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:12 am

Eternal Lotharia wrote:That's just not fair! Why couldn't it have been Syria, if anything?

Why would you want this to happen in Syria?
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Postby The Alma Mater » Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:12 am

Eternal Lotharia wrote:I'm not saying it's likely to happen, but the fact that it did stir Breitbart up and it could happen, even at a low percent rate...


Remember that the first response of the leader of the free world to this incident was posting a link to Breitbart with 0 comment followed by saying nothing for many hours.
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Postby Amuaplye » Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:12 am

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:That's just not fair! Why couldn't it have been Syria, if anything?

Why would you want this to happen in Syria?

Because then the massive global war would be somewhat justified.
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Postby Eternal Lotharia » Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:12 am

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:That's just not fair! Why couldn't it have been Syria, if anything?

Why would you want this to happen in Syria?

I meant, ww3/2nd american civil war/whatever caused by that or Trump, just, not this meme shitposter who shot up everyone while referencing pop culture!
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... is this kinky?

Not until a rolled up magazine is used.

Kowani wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:....
To be fair that's probably what most AOC, Gillum, and Bernie supporters think it is.

Which....

Guys..

Americans think they're Socialist but are not.

AMERICA IS A LIE!

... I don’t know how to respond to this.

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Postby Eternal Lotharia » Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:13 am

Amuaplye wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Why would you want this to happen in Syria?

Because then the massive global war would be somewhat justified.

^This.

The Alma Mater wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:I'm not saying it's likely to happen, but the fact that it did stir Breitbart up and it could happen, even at a low percent rate...


Remember that the first response of the leader of the free world to this incident was posting a link to Breitbart with 0 comment followed by saying nothing for many hours.

....

The world is fucked.

It's a tragic comedy directed by Shakespeare on crack.
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Dahon wrote:
... is this kinky?

Not until a rolled up magazine is used.

Kowani wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:....
To be fair that's probably what most AOC, Gillum, and Bernie supporters think it is.

Which....

Guys..

Americans think they're Socialist but are not.

AMERICA IS A LIE!

... I don’t know how to respond to this.

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Postby Amuaplye » Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:15 am

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Amuaplye wrote:Because then the massive global war would be somewhat justified.

^This.

The Alma Mater wrote:
Remember that the first response of the leader of the free world to this incident was posting a link to Breitbart with 0 comment followed by saying nothing for many hours.

....

The world is fucked.

It's a tragic comedy directed by Shakespeare on crack.

The Earth's environment is deteriorating, the governments of the world are run by idiots, far-right terrorism has become a scourge, mass shootings have become as American as apple pie, and I can't do squat.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:18 am

Eternal Lotharia wrote:I don't want this to happen over memes.


It's not going to happen over memes. His manifesto went a lot deeper than that too. It mentions the fragility of society, environmental disaster, the decline of western society, the failure of conservatism to actually conserve anything, how just about any issue nowadays threatens to tear our (American) society apart into conflict etc etc.

While yeah a lot of it is stupid and yes he did meme it up at times he did lay down some actual thought out points that went further than "muzzies bad also PewDiePie".

He also wouldn't be the cause, he's simply another symptom of the western world going to shit.
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Postby Ausinia » Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:22 am

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Given how fucked everything has become that's not a totally outlandish goal tbh

I'll say it again:

Are we really going to fuck up global civilization and kill each other because of an 8Chan Shitposter?


This is how our society and united nations end?


Compared to the other global crises, that's just...disappointing man. It feels like something out of a comedy.


I'm not saying it's likely to happen, but the fact that it did stir Breitbart up and it could happen, even at a low percent rate...

That's just not fair! Why couldn't it have been Syria, if anything? Just, this?


I don't want this to happen over memes.

This is why we can't have nice things!


It is ridiculous. Any kid these day can pick up a gun at the local store and kill innocent lives, live that didn’t need or have to be lost, lives that would’ve made the world better. Instead, some 20 year old had his entire life in front of him, and threw away along with nearly 50 more for the sake of ‘that was cool mate’. Before we know, some kid is gonna dress up in a fake Pakistani/ Indian military uniform, pick up gun, and start pretending to attack, and actually kill people. They will have started WW3 because, ‘that was cool man, I started a world war’. These are the first generations living with out a Cold War, I’m a part of the generations with out a Cold War, a time, when what could have been peace, to super powers coming to ease, to people, who think it’s cool to start another Cold War.
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Postby Deutschess Kaiserreich » Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:36 am

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Ausinia wrote:
Jezzus, what the hell. The laws must have loose for an Aussie to be able to pick up a license and five guns and shoot up mosques.


In his manifesto the shooter explicitly stated he hoped his usage of guns would spark another debate on guncontrol.
He also hoped that that would lead to civil war in the USA.

I can see the debate but not the civil war. Takes a surprisingly lot to plunge a nation into civil war when that nation has a strong central government.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:44 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Given how fucked everything has become that's not a totally outlandish goal tbh


Which is why I'm hoping that whatever happens, it is done so in a rational and calm manner.
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Postby Special Aromas » Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:46 am

There's literally zero chance that the US would be plunged into civil war due to gun control lmao. If ever a new law went so far to actually spark an armed insurrection, there's no way it would make through both houses unless you brainwashed every rep and senator into pushing it through.

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:53 am

Special Aromas wrote:There's literally zero chance that the US would be plunged into civil war due to gun control lmao. If ever a new law went so far to actually spark an armed insurrection, there's no way it would make through both houses unless you brainwashed every rep and senator into pushing it through.

Or brainwashed enough to get a majority.
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Postby Eternal Lotharia » Sun Mar 17, 2019 1:15 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:I don't want this to happen over memes.


It's not going to happen over memes. His manifesto went a lot deeper than that too. It mentions the fragility of society, environmental disaster, the decline of western society, the failure of conservatism to actually conserve anything, how just about any issue nowadays threatens to tear our (American) society apart into conflict etc etc.

While yeah a lot of it is stupid and yes he did meme it up at times he did lay down some actual thought out points that went further than "muzzies bad also PewDiePie".

He also wouldn't be the cause, he's simply another symptom of the western world going to shit.

That's what I mean, he's just another tick on the time bomb.
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Dahon wrote:
... is this kinky?

Not until a rolled up magazine is used.

Kowani wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:....
To be fair that's probably what most AOC, Gillum, and Bernie supporters think it is.

Which....

Guys..

Americans think they're Socialist but are not.

AMERICA IS A LIE!

... I don’t know how to respond to this.

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Postby The Alma Mater » Sun Mar 17, 2019 1:33 am

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Saiwania wrote:The alleged shooter has exactly the right politics but like Anders Breivik, acted with too much haste. He is perhaps not wrong to decry the direction his country has been going in. This could've been averted in my view, if immigration from certain undeveloped countries would've been closed off. It is urgent that immigration only be limited to other rich countries at minimum. At least rich immigrants bring money and job creation. If you import Somalis, Afghanis, or people from other poor countries that're more of a burden, of course locals are going to grow wroth about letting any more in.


Little snag with this post: the muslims who were killed were doing fine in the country. One of them was even part of a national sportsteam. They were well integrated, spoke the local language, had jobs, paid their taxes and were good neighbours.

There were no problems. In fact, there are very few problems with muslims in New Zealand. Some religious nutters who oppose homosexual relationships - but relatively fewer than the christians with the same opinion. That's it.

So take your victimblaming and shove it somewhere the sun does not shine.


And then people messaged me that the mosque in question has produced at least two terrorists and locally is known for being extremist...
Now I do not know what to believe :(
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Postby Aclion » Sun Mar 17, 2019 1:38 am

Deutschess Kaiserreich wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
In his manifesto the shooter explicitly stated he hoped his usage of guns would spark another debate on guncontrol.
He also hoped that that would lead to civil war in the USA.

I can see the debate but not the civil war. Takes a surprisingly lot to plunge a nation into civil war when that nation has a strong central government.

We already have street skirmishes and local governments siding with partisans. The war is here. It just doesn't work like the last one.
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Postby Nevv Vegas » Sun Mar 17, 2019 1:41 am

The Alma Mater wrote:Irony: the guy visited Pakistan last year and publically lauded the hospitality and kindness of the local muslims.


He had no qualms with muslims living on their land. I would quote the manifesto, but that would be probably against the rules.
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