Or you can do what they do at UNAM. The following is short and really informative.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_doafpBDFs
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by Rio Cana » Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:35 pm
by Gig em Aggies » Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:00 pm
Bear Stearns wrote:Imagine spending millions so your kid can get into Georgetown or even worse, USC. Now, Georgetown is a great school and top recruiting spot for bureaucratic jobs, but c'mon. As for USC, do I really need to compare to it to its much superior neighbor in Westwood?
If I'm spending millions, I at least want Columbia, Cornell, or Dartmouth, let alone Stanford, Princeton, and Harvard.
by Shofercia » Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:23 pm
Rio Cana wrote:Ifreann wrote:Destroy capitalism.
Or you can do what they do at UNAM. The following is short and really informative.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_doafpBDFs
by The Black Forrest » Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:31 pm
by The Black Forrest » Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:45 pm
Shofercia wrote:Gig em Aggies wrote:two of them from USC are already feeling the burn, Isabella Rose and Olivia Jade Giannulli have dropped out don't know how many more will either drop out or be expelled plus the deals with several companies between the girls have vanished just like Spiderman on Titan.
I feel bad for the girls - how much of it was due to pressure fro their parents? It doesn't seem that Olivia Jade wanted to go, but was rather pressured by mom and dad, and now she's facing the loss of her social media career that she built on her own. That's a bit harsh.
by Shofercia » Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:45 pm
by The Black Forrest » Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:48 pm
Shofercia wrote:The Black Forrest wrote:
Hmmm? Maybe the ones who knew nothing about it?.
One way to punish the parents and make it sting is to punish the children.
Yeah, but take the case of Olivia Jade. She didn't even want to go to college, her parents made her go. Now she's not only been kicked out, but in danger of losing her social media business. The parents should be punished, but the kids who didn't even want the experience?
by Grinning Dragon » Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:52 pm
by Shofercia » Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:53 pm
The Black Forrest wrote:Shofercia wrote:
Yeah, but take the case of Olivia Jade. She didn't even want to go to college, her parents made her go. Now she's not only been kicked out, but in danger of losing her social media business. The parents should be punished, but the kids who didn't even want the experience?
Part of his business was built on being the cute happening co-ed and "inspiring" other girls....it was a lie.
by Shofercia » Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:55 pm
Grinning Dragon wrote:The Black Forrest wrote:
Hmmm? Maybe the ones who knew nothing about it?.
One way to punish the parents and make it sting is to punish the children.
Even the ones who nothing about it, should be shown the door. They are there not of their own accord.
If they want back in, then they need to redo the whole college entrance process on their own, complete with retaking ACT/SAT tests, etc.
by The Black Forrest » Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:56 pm
Shofercia wrote:The Black Forrest wrote:
Part of his business was built on being the cute happening co-ed and "inspiring" other girls....it was a lie.
She had a thriving business before college, earning millions of views. Here's one example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPETL3o8NUI
by Shofercia » Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:00 pm
The Black Forrest wrote:Shofercia wrote:
She had a thriving business before college, earning millions of views. Here's one example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPETL3o8NUI
Ok? She used the "college" experience and like any bad business decision; she pays the price.
It's ok to feel sorry for her. Just like it's ok to not feel sorry for her.
by The Black Forrest » Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:05 pm
Shofercia wrote:The Black Forrest wrote:
Ok? She used the "college" experience and like any bad business decision; she pays the price.
It's ok to feel sorry for her. Just like it's ok to not feel sorry for her.
From what I've gathered, she was "persuaded" into the whole college "experience" by her parents, which makes the whole scam even more pathetic. Not only are these rich kids taking spots of others who worked hard and deserved to be admitted, but they don't even want to be there. And now they're being blacklisted by the brands in yet another dumb move.
On top of that the only reason the FBI is even onto this, is because someone was caught committing yet another felony, probably a white collar felony. Everything about this case reeks, and you can certainly not feel sorry for the kids, but let's not pretend that she couldn't have succeeded in her social media career without USC.
by Ifreann » Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:54 am
Grinning Dragon wrote:The Black Forrest wrote:
Hmmm? Maybe the ones who knew nothing about it?.
One way to punish the parents and make it sting is to punish the children.
Even the ones who nothing about it, should be shown the door. They are there not of their own accord.
If they want back in, then they need to redo the whole college entrance process on their own, complete with retaking ACT/SAT tests, etc.
by Ethel mermania » Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:57 am
Shofercia wrote:The Black Forrest wrote:
Hmmm? Maybe the ones who knew nothing about it?.
One way to punish the parents and make it sting is to punish the children.
Yeah, but take the case of Olivia Jade. She didn't even want to go to college, her parents made her go. Now she's not only been kicked out, but in danger of losing her social media business. The parents should be punished, but the kids who didn't even want the experience?
by Ifreann » Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:56 am
Ethel mermania wrote:Shofercia wrote:
Yeah, but take the case of Olivia Jade. She didn't even want to go to college, her parents made her go. Now she's not only been kicked out, but in danger of losing her social media business. The parents should be punished, but the kids who didn't even want the experience?
You dont get to benefit from a crime.
by 95X » Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:24 am
Seems some students and parents are trying to fight money by looking for money. Instead, I think the universities in question should try to settle by refunding the application fee to the plaintiffs and call it a day.CNN/KXLY wrote:A group of students and parents have filed a federal lawsuit seeking class-action status against the University of Southern California, UCLA and other colleges named in this week's sprawling admissions scandal, saying their admissions process was "warped and rigged by fraud."
[…]
"Had Plaintiffs known that the system was warped and rigged by fraud, they would not have spent the money to apply to the school," the lawsuit says. "They also did not receive what they paid for -- a fair admissions consideration process."
I've never heard of her and in fact think social media "influencing" should be tightly regulated if not banned, but that's not the topic. To be honest, something "kids" should learn whether their parents are worth $10 or $1 billion is to make their own decisions in life and accept every good and bad result that happens because of that decision, including speaking up about attending college or not attending college.Shofercia wrote:Yeah, but take the case of Olivia Jade. She didn't even want to go to college, her parents made her go. Now she's not only been kicked out, but in danger of losing her social media business. The parents should be punished, but the kids who didn't even want the experience?
If that happens and a student either withdraws or is expelled, if they have already successfully completed any classes do you think they should be allowed their transcripts that indicate the coursework was completed? Or should that also be forfeit? I'd be on the fence on that one which is why I ask. (Edit/add: After seeing the post below I think I know what the answer will be.)Ethel mermania wrote:You dont get to benefit from a crime.
I've probably shared this before on NS; I visited Los Angeles when I was an undergrad student, and a professor at my university suggested I should visit USC because of their grad program in the field. I did. I also rode the bus out to Cal Poly-Pomona because it also had a grad program in the field. Guess which one I was legitimately more impressed with.Bear Stearns wrote:As for USC, do I really need to compare to it to its much superior neighbor in Westwood?
Nation not my RL views, etc.
Poe's Law. Nonpartisan.
by Hatzisland » Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:27 am
by Ethel mermania » Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:29 am
by Ethel mermania » Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:32 am
95X wrote:Lawsuit filed. Reported on March 14th, 2019.Seems some students and parents are trying to fight money by looking for money. Instead, I think the universities in question should try to settle by refunding the application fee to the plaintiffs and call it a day.CNN/KXLY wrote:A group of students and parents have filed a federal lawsuit seeking class-action status against the University of Southern California, UCLA and other colleges named in this week's sprawling admissions scandal, saying their admissions process was "warped and rigged by fraud."
[…]
"Had Plaintiffs known that the system was warped and rigged by fraud, they would not have spent the money to apply to the school," the lawsuit says. "They also did not receive what they paid for -- a fair admissions consideration process."I've never heard of her and in fact think social media "influencing" should be tightly regulated if not banned, but that's not the topic. To be honest, something "kids" should learn whether their parents are worth $10 or $1 billion is to make their own decisions in life and accept every good and bad result that happens because of that decision, including speaking up about attending college or not attending college.Shofercia wrote:Yeah, but take the case of Olivia Jade. She didn't even want to go to college, her parents made her go. Now she's not only been kicked out, but in danger of losing her social media business. The parents should be punished, but the kids who didn't even want the experience?
Regarding the "college experience" argument, a student can also have the "college experience" from "Directional State College".
As for losing a business, that's the reality of business. As for other jobs, there's a joke in my area: "I hear whatever ACS calls itself now is hiring."If that happens and a student either withdraws or is expelled, if they have already successfully completed any classes do you think they should be allowed their transcripts that indicate the coursework was completed? Or should that also be forfeit? I'd be on the fence on that one which is why I ask.Ethel mermania wrote:You dont get to benefit from a crime.I've probably shared this before on NS; I visited Los Angeles when I was an undergrad student, and a professor at my university suggested I should visit USC because of their grad program in the field. I did. I also rode the bus out to Cal Poly-Pomona because it also had a grad program in the field. Guess which one I was legitimately more impressed with.Bear Stearns wrote:As for USC, do I really need to compare to it to its much superior neighbor in Westwood?
(Full disclosure: life happens; after earning my baccalaureate I took a survival job.)
by Ifreann » Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:36 am
Ethel mermania wrote:Ifreann wrote:If they're passing their classes then they clearly are qualified to be in those classes, and so they aren't benefiting from crime. If they fail their classes then they'll drop out and won't be benefiting from crime.
Wrong. A crime was committed to place them there, without that crime taking place they would not be there, they dont get the benefit from their crime.
by Ethel mermania » Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:45 am
Ifreann wrote:Ethel mermania wrote:Wrong. A crime was committed to place them there, without that crime taking place they would not be there, they dont get the benefit from their crime.
If they're passing their classes then how can you say that they wouldn't be in those classes without that crime taking place?
by This City of Ours » Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:10 am
Bear Stearns wrote:Imagine spending millions so your kid can get into Georgetown or even worse, USC. Now, Georgetown is a great school and top recruiting spot for bureaucratic jobs, but c'mon. As for USC, do I really need to compare to it to its much superior neighbor in Westwood?
If I'm spending millions, I at least want Columbia, Cornell, or Dartmouth, let alone Stanford, Princeton, and Harvard.
by Shofercia » Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:17 am
The Black Forrest wrote:Shofercia wrote:
From what I've gathered, she was "persuaded" into the whole college "experience" by her parents, which makes the whole scam even more pathetic. Not only are these rich kids taking spots of others who worked hard and deserved to be admitted, but they don't even want to be there. And now they're being blacklisted by the brands in yet another dumb move.
On top of that the only reason the FBI is even onto this, is because someone was caught committing yet another felony, probably a white collar felony. Everything about this case reeks, and you can certainly not feel sorry for the kids, but let's not pretend that she couldn't have succeeded in her social media career without USC.
Her success may have happened. Could still happen. We will never know for sure now. There have been a few comments she was aware and even participated in the process. I will wait for the evidence before talking about hard punishment.
As to the others? The case (I believe) was made when somebody tried to deduct the bribes on the taxes as donations.
The case is interesting. My way it's rather interesting to hear people defending the bribery as acceptable actions. The comments of you can't punish the children. Such talk only perpetuates the belief it's ok to do. Even Jade made comments about her dad faking his way in college and defrauding his parents to start a business....
Ethel mermania wrote:Shofercia wrote:
Yeah, but take the case of Olivia Jade. She didn't even want to go to college, her parents made her go. Now she's not only been kicked out, but in danger of losing her social media business. The parents should be punished, but the kids who didn't even want the experience?
You dont get to benefit from a crime.
95X wrote:Shofercia wrote:Yeah, but take the case of Olivia Jade. She didn't even want to go to college, her parents made her go. Now she's not only been kicked out, but in danger of losing her social media business. The parents should be punished, but the kids who didn't even want the experience?
I've never heard of her and in fact think social media "influencing" should be tightly regulated if not banned, but that's not the topic. To be honest, something "kids" should learn whether their parents are worth $10 or $1 billion is to make their own decisions in life and accept every good and bad result that happens because of that decision, including speaking up about attending college or not attending college.
Regarding the "college experience" argument, a student can also have the "college experience" from "Directional State College".
As for losing a business, that's the reality of business. As for other jobs, there's a joke in my area: "I hear whatever ACS calls itself now is hiring."
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