Operation Varsity Blues

[Andsed]

Uh yeah when have I ever said the people who accepted their bribes should not be punished as well? And also the people bribing the university are not regular people. They are rich privileged people. It is the regular students who have actually worked hard who are getting fucked in this situation.

A pure academic is arguably less likely to be admitted to a place like Yale compared to a person who is "well rounded." One major complaint I have with universities in general is that they're never happy with who they get and constantly ask for more money with no questions allowed as to why what money they get now isn't enough or even what its being spent on.

Universities want this "perfect" renaissance man candidate who doesn't exist. Be from a minority group, meet preferred diversity or economic background, be an athlete, have a track record for a 4.0 GPA, be fluent in 2 or more languages, have community service, have your parents be willing to donate x amount of money, do this- do that. It never ends with these schools.

Lets just say I have as much contempt for these elite colleges as they show unto most people, who can do some but not all.

Okay? How does this apply to my arguments? Because it seems to me your just trying to complain about what colleges requirements are.

[Senkaku]

Uh yeah when have I ever said the people who accepted their bribes should not be punished as well? And also the people bribing the university are not regular people. They are rich privileged people. It is the regular students who have actually worked hard who are getting fucked in this situation.

A pure academic is arguably less likely to be admitted to a place like Yale compared to a person who is "well rounded." One major complaint I have with universities in general is that they're never happy with who they get and constantly ask for more money with no questions allowed as to why what money they get now isn't enough or even what its being spent on.

Universities want this "perfect" renaissance man candidate who doesn't exist. Be from a minority group, meet preferred diversity or economic background, be an athlete, have a track record for a 4.0 GPA, be fluent in 2 or more languages, have community service, have your parents be willing to donate x amount of money, do this- do that. It never ends with these schools.

Lets just say I have as much contempt for these elite colleges as they show unto most people, who can do some but not all.

...yes, elite schools want their students to be impressive and well-rounded. No student at them is all the things they're looking for, but they have certain criteria- what alternative criteria do you propose, if wanting well-rounded, intelligent, and accomplished people from many backgrounds is apparently so outrageous?

[Saiwania]

Okay? How does this apply to my arguments? Because it seems to me your just trying to complain about what colleges requirements are.

If universities put people through hell with regards to admission or finances, it is no loss in my view if those places get hell back.

[Andsed]

Okay? How does this apply to my arguments? Because it seems to me your just trying to complain about what colleges requirements are.

In universities put people through hell with regards to admission or finances, it is no loss in my view if those places get hell back.

So legit students who worked there asses off getting passed over for some other kids who parents bribed the university is not a problem in your mind?

[Gig em Aggies]

In universities put people through hell with regards to admission or finances, it is no loss in my view if those places get hell back.

So legit students who worked there asses off getting passed over for some other kids who parents bribed the university is not a problem in your mind?

If you seen his other threads then you'd have your answer mate

[Andsed]

So legit students who worked there asses off getting passed over for some other kids who parents bribed the university is not a problem in your mind?

If you seen his other threads then you'd have your answer mate

Oh I am familiar with Saiwania´s lets just say unique views. I just find it cathartic to rip into his posts.

[Valrifell]

A pure academic is arguably less likely to be admitted to a place like Yale compared to a person who is "well rounded." One major complaint I have with universities in general is that they're never happy with who they get and constantly ask for more money with no questions allowed as to why what money they get now isn't enough or even what its being spent on.

Universities want this "perfect" renaissance man candidate who doesn't exist. Be from a minority group, meet preferred diversity or economic background, be an athlete, have a track record for a 4.0 GPA, be fluent in 2 or more languages, have community service, have your parents be willing to donate x amount of money, do this- do that. It never ends with these schools.

Lets just say I have as much contempt for these elite colleges as they show unto most people, who can do some but not all.

...yes, elite schools want their students to be impressive and well-rounded. No student at them is all the things they're looking for, but they have certain criteria- what alternative criteria do you propose, if wanting well-rounded, intelligent, and accomplished people from many backgrounds is apparently so outrageous?

I think whatever lets him go to Harvard, tbh.

[Ethel mermania]

The thing is this does not even really get them ahead.
Graduating an from a big name school mostly only helps with your first job, and then only to a certain degree (someone looking for an engineer is still picking the engineer from a normal state school over a women’s studies major from Yale).

It is all prestige. All about looking good.
Like plating your car in gold. It does not make your car faster, you are just engaging in superficial posturing.

Not true in the slightest. Degrees from those schools are worth a ton when it comes to employment and building connections.

Hell, if I was able to go to one of those schools and graduate with a only a Bachelor's or Master's, as long as the school still does well I'd be able to use that degree for employment purposes 20-30 years down the line if I wanted to.

When looking for someone with experience, we do require a proof of degree as well as experience, as long as it's not university of Phoniex, we dont care. Professional certification (P.E) is much more important. First job, yes I am asking where and I am looking for a transcript.

[Gig em Aggies]

Not true in the slightest. Degrees from those schools are worth a ton when it comes to employment and building connections.

Hell, if I was able to go to one of those schools and graduate with a only a Bachelor's or Master's, as long as the school still does well I'd be able to use that degree for employment purposes 20-30 years down the line if I wanted to.

When looking for someone with experience, we do require a proof of degree as well as experience, as long as it's not university of Phoniex, we dont care. Professional certification (P.E) is much more important. First job, yes I am asking where and I am looking for a transcript.

well they could always go to South Central Louisiana State University I mean talk about incompetence, they'd make these kids look like Einstein

[Shofercia]

Hopefully it depends on whether you use your money in a way that is legal.

I was playing devil's advocate a bit, but you are right, teaching your kids to cheat isnt the best of ideas. And again that is my surprise, for the same money you can get your kid in legally.

If you want your kid to go into politics, teaching your kid how to get away with cheating is a must

So your going off the logic of two wrongs make a right? It is in no way okay to bribe people so that your kid can get into college in the place of actually deserving students and it is a crime. College being to expensive does not justify this period.

If the student in question who benefits from the bribe, can manage to do all of the work anyways- then it isn't a big deal to me. It is a different matter if a person who got bribed in will fail because they're objectively not able to do the work and won't make good enough grades to perform to expectations. In the latter scenario, there is no point in trying to get them in as a student and they're better served elsewhere.

If a college rejects you, chances are that there is another that will accept them. The question of "who deserves to get admitted" is subjective and arbitrary. Fact is that more people want to go to a particular place, than there are available seats. If that is the case, then the only deciding factor will be what people the school wants and who manages to get "first in line" figuratively speaking. The means they used to get first in line, is asides the point from my perspective.

The problem, as Alan Dershowitz pointed out, is that schools are refusing to be tough on students, so if you get in, and you have a good tutor, you can be a complete dumbfuck and still graduate.

Because foreign kids pay full freight

All those international students are going to do, is steal national knowledge and resources to take back to use in their native country; like what happened with Huawei stealing Cisco technology. The US is not meant to be a dumping ground for the world's disadvantaged as Donald Trump puts it, and "helping the world" should not come at the expense of our own national progress and well being.

Shpies, shpies everywhere!

Dude, all the other Governments have to do is to buy data from Facebook, while acting as a shell company specializing in something that's semi-related to FB data.

Okay? How does any of this justify illegally bribing people to get kids into college?

The people accepting bribes should be punished, not the people offering bribes; if any punishment is to be had. If the system is stacked against certain types of people, that is sufficient reason for people who don't benefit to do whatever they can to get around such a system that is intent on locking them out; if it is inherently unjust and arbitrary.

What?! So it's ok to offer bribes, but not accept bribes in Sai's World?

[Novus America]

The thing is this does not even really get them ahead.
Graduating an from a big name school mostly only helps with your first job, and then only to a certain degree (someone looking for an engineer is still picking the engineer from a normal state school over a women’s studies major from Yale).

It is all prestige. All about looking good.
Like plating your car in gold. It does not make your car faster, you are just engaging in superficial posturing.

Not true in the slightest. Degrees from those schools are worth a ton when it comes to employment and building connections.

Hell, if I was able to go to one of those schools and graduate with a only a Bachelor's or Master's, as long as the school still does well I'd be able to use that degree for employment purposes 20-30 years down the line if I wanted to.

A degree from those schools does not hurt because prestige dazzles some.
But basically nobody is going to hire someone with a degree from those schools unless they are otherwise fully qualified.

Most employeers care far more about work experience and demonstrated skills than the degree.
Especially the longer you have been in the workforce.

[Saiwania]

What?! So it's ok to offer bribes, but not accept bribes in Sai's World?

Offering a bribe or tribute, is more often than not an act of desperation if not submission. The person who accepts a bribe is more commonly the extortionist or simply put, has more leverage to decide things than any person wanting to pay more to get access or influence; if not a quid pro quo.

[Luziyca]

Have access to university be solely based on academic ability, not how much you are willing to pay to attend.

But if people with money can just pay off the people who make the decisions, how do we fix that?

I was going to suggest that the government can enforce these rules, and penalize universities that accept those bribes, but then I realized that those peeps would just lobby politicians to change the rules to suit them, and we'd be back to where we started.

[Andsed]

What?! So it's ok to offer bribes, but not accept bribes in Sai's World?

Offering a bribe or tribute, is more often than not an act of desperation. The person who accepts a bribe is more commonly the extortionist or simply put, has more leverage to decide things, than any person wanting to pay more to get access or influence, if not a quid pro quo.

Uh no those offering bribes are usually only do so for selfish personal gains. I mean usually if they have money to bribe someone they are well of and are only bribing someone to advance their own lives. Offering bribes is a crime for a good reasons and it is in no way excused because the people your bribing may not be the best people.

[Ifreann]

What?! So it's ok to offer bribes, but not accept bribes in Sai's World?

Offering a bribe or tribute, is more often than not an act of desperation if not submission. The person who accepts a bribe is more commonly the extortionist or simply put, has more leverage to decide things than any person wanting to pay more to get access or influence; if not a quid pro quo.

Those poor desperate *check notes* multi-millionaire executives and celebrities.

[Shofercia]

What?! So it's ok to offer bribes, but not accept bribes in Sai's World?

Offering a bribe or tribute, is more often than not an act of desperation if not submission. The person who accepts a bribe is more commonly the extortionist or simply put, has more leverage to decide things than any person wanting to pay more to get access or influence; if not a quid pro quo.

So for you a bribe is equivalent to a tribute? What's your take on the Hunger Games?

[Ethel mermania]

But if people with money can just pay off the people who make the decisions, how do we fix that?

I was going to suggest that the government can enforce these rules, and penalize universities that accept those bribes, but then I realized that those peeps would just lobby politicians to change the rules to suit them, and we'd be back to where we started.

There are laws to prevent this, this is why people are being prosecuted for it. The parents may not do prison time, but the folks running the scam will be.

[Pope Joan]

Brown U is hip deep in this scandal'

Yet they disowned and dishonored Joe Paterno, a great man, of whom the PA Attorney General said after all interviews were concluded: "He did everything RIGhT"

These oh so moral elites are oh so easily bribed.

[Far Easter Republic]

The question now is what happens to the kids.

[Grinning Dragon]

The question now is what happens to the kids.

They should get kicked out of their respective colleges.

[Far Easter Republic]

The question now is what happens to the kids.

They should get kicked out of their respective colleges.

But would they finish their year/semester?

[Grinning Dragon]

They should get kicked out of their respective colleges.

But would they finish their year/semester?

They should be shown the door immediately.

[Gig em Aggies]

But would they finish their year/semester?

They should be shown the door immediately.

two of them from USC are already feeling the burn, Isabella Rose and Olivia Jade Giannulli have dropped out don't know how many more will either drop out or be expelled plus the deals with several companies between the girls have vanished just like Spiderman on Titan.

[Shofercia]

They should be shown the door immediately.

two of them from USC are already feeling the burn, Isabella Rose and Olivia Jade Giannulli have dropped out don't know how many more will either drop out or be expelled plus the deals with several companies between the girls have vanished just like Spiderman on Titan.

I feel bad for the girls - how much of it was due to pressure fro their parents? It doesn't seem that Olivia Jade wanted to go, but was rather pressured by mom and dad, and now she's facing the loss of her social media career that she built on her own. That's a bit harsh.

[Bear Stearns]

Imagine spending millions so your kid can get into Georgetown or even worse, USC. Now, Georgetown is a great school and top recruiting spot for bureaucratic jobs, but c'mon. As for USC, do I really need to compare to it to its much superior neighbor in Westwood?

If I'm spending millions, I at least want Columbia, Cornell, or Dartmouth, let alone Stanford, Princeton, and Harvard.