Operation Varsity Blues

[Ethel mermania]

The world plays unfair so they in my view, were only playing unfair back. There were great benefits to be had if they weren't caught, but if they were caught; evidently the consequences for them aren't so bad. So they opted to do this. It is the university's fault if they get fooled.

I detest the whole concept that people should have to spends loads of money just to become qualified for more lucrative jobs (outside of a few industries where there doesn't exist much viable alternative, such as someone wanting to become a medical or legal professional). I'm wroth at all the fleecing of people universities are responsible for. It is not as if all the money these schools are getting is even being put to good use. It is going to luxury bullshit or lining the pockets of administrators, not teachers, not for the benefit of aspiring students.

So your going off the logic of two wrongs make a right? It is in no way okay to bribe people so that your kid can get into college in the place of actually deserving students and it is a crime. College being to expensive does not justify this period.

As a parent your job is to put your kid in the best position to succeed. If you could use your money to improve their chances, why wouldnt you?

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

So your going off the logic of two wrongs make a right? It is in no way okay to bribe people so that your kid can get into college in the place of actually deserving students and it is a crime. College being to expensive does not justify this period.

As a parent your job is to put your kid in the best position to succeed. If you could use your money to improve their chances, why wouldnt you?

Hopefully it depends on whether you use your money in a way that is legal.

[Ethel mermania]

As a parent your job is to put your kid in the best position to succeed. If you could use your money to improve their chances, why wouldnt you?

Hopefully it depends on whether you use your money in a way that is legal.

I was playing devil's advocate a bit, but you are right, teaching your kids to cheat isnt the best of ideas. And again that is my surprise, for the same money you can get your kid in legally.

[The New California Republic]

Hopefully it depends on whether you use your money in a way that is legal.

I was playing devil's advocate a bit, but you are right, teaching your kids to cheat isnt the best of ideas. And again that is my surprise, for the same money you can get your kid in legally.

The contrast between the cheating in the admissions system and the stringent anti-cheating methods employed by most universities in relation to submitted coursework is glaring...

[Saiwania]

So your going off the logic of two wrongs make a right? It is in no way okay to bribe people so that your kid can get into college in the place of actually deserving students and it is a crime. College being to expensive does not justify this period.

If the student in question who benefits from the bribe, can manage to do all of the work anyways- then it isn't a big deal to me. It is a different matter if a person who got bribed in will fail because they're objectively not able to do the work and won't make good enough grades to perform to expectations. In the latter scenario, there is no point in trying to get them in as a student and they're better served elsewhere.

If a college rejects you, chances are that there is another that will accept them. The question of "who deserves to get admitted" is subjective and arbitrary. Fact is that more people want to go to a particular place, than there are available seats. If that is the case, then the only deciding factor will be what people the school wants and who manages to get "first in line" figuratively speaking. The means they used to get first in line, is asides the point from my perspective.

[Andsed]

So your going off the logic of two wrongs make a right? It is in no way okay to bribe people so that your kid can get into college in the place of actually deserving students and it is a crime. College being to expensive does not justify this period.

As a parent your job is to put your kid in the best position to succeed. If you could use your money to improve their chances, why wouldnt you?

It depends on how I am going to do that. If it means bribing people so my kid can get spots in place of desvering kids hell no. If it means hiring tutors to help them than yes.

[Ifreann]

The kid with a perfect GPA is still going to lose to the kid whose daddy donated a million dollars most of the time.

How do we fix this?

Destroy capitalism.

[Andsed]

So your going off the logic of two wrongs make a right? It is in no way okay to bribe people so that your kid can get into college in the place of actually deserving students and it is a crime. College being to expensive does not justify this period.

If the student in question who benefits from the bribe, can manage to do all of the work anyways- then it isn't a big deal to me. It is a different matter if a person who got bribed in will fail because they're objectively not able to do the work and won't make good enough grades to perform to expectations. In the latter scenario, there is no point in trying to get them in as a student and they're better served elsewhere.

If a college rejects you, chances are that there is another that will. The question of "who deserves to get admitted" is subjective and arbitrary. Fact is that more people want to go to a particular place, than there are available seats. If that is the case, then the only deciding factor will be what people the school wants and who manages to get "first in line" figuratively speaking. The means they used to get first in line, is asides the point from my perspective.

What world are you living in where it is okay to illegally bribe people so that your kid can get into a college over a deserving kid? The ability of the kid getting in through bribes is utterly irrelevant as they are still getting in not through their merits but through money.

[Saiwania]

What world are you living in where it is okay to illegally bribe people so that your kid can get into a college over a deserving kid? The ability of the kid getting in through bribes is utterly irrelevant as they are still getting in not through their merits but through money.

It is not entirely through merit anyways. Colleges use diversity bs and other complex formulas to even decide whether to accept someone. Why should an international student for example, be given more of an edge by default over an American for an American university? I say that most people just do whatever it takes to win in this life.

[Ethel mermania]

What world are you living in where it is okay to illegally bribe people so that your kid can get into a college over a deserving kid? The ability of the kid getting in through bribes is utterly irrelevant as they are still getting in not through their merits but through money.

It is not entirely through merit anyways. Colleges use diversity bs and other complex formulas to even decide whether to accept someone. Why should an international student for example, be given more of an edge by default over an American for an American university? I say that most people just do whatever it takes to win in this life.

Because foreign kids pay full freight

[Saiwania]

Because foreign kids pay full freight

All those international students are going to do, is steal national knowledge and resources to take back to use in their native country; like what happened with Huawei stealing Cisco technology. The US is not meant to be a dumping ground for the world's disadvantaged as Donald Trump puts it, and "helping the world" should not come at the expense of our own national progress and well being.

[Ethel mermania]

Because foreign kids pay full freight

All those international students are going to do, is steal national knowledge and resources to take back to use in their native country; like what happened with Huawei stealing Cisco technology. The US is not meant to be a dumping ground for the world's disadvantaged as Donald Trump puts it, and "helping the world" should not come at the expense of our own national progress and well being.

These kids help the schools turn a profit and enable them to hand out scholarships to needy American kids.

2nd oftentimes exposing the future elite of their countries to America gives them a favorable viewpoint towards America. (Its good PR).

[Andsed]

What world are you living in where it is okay to illegally bribe people so that your kid can get into a college over a deserving kid? The ability of the kid getting in through bribes is utterly irrelevant as they are still getting in not through their merits but through money.

It is not entirely through merit anyways. Colleges use diversity bs and other complex formulas to even decide whether to accept someone. Why should an international student for example, be given more of an edge by default over an American for an American university? I say that most people just do whatever it takes to win in this life.

Okay? How does any of this justify illegally bribing people to get kids into college?

[Communist Xomaniax]

Anyone involved should have the whole of their assets seized and be put in prison.

[New haven america]

This just in, rich people do bad shit in order to get either them or their immediate families even further ahead in life than they already are.

And in other news, water is wet, more on this story at 11. Stay tuned.

The thing is this does not even really get them ahead.
Graduating an from a big name school mostly only helps with your first job, and then only to a certain degree (someone looking for an engineer is still picking the engineer from a normal state school over a women’s studies major from Yale).

It is all prestige. All about looking good.
Like plating your car in gold. It does not make your car faster, you are just engaging in superficial posturing.

Not true in the slightest. Degrees from those schools are worth a ton when it comes to employment and building connections.

Hell, if I was able to go to one of those schools and graduate with a only a Bachelor's or Master's, as long as the school still does well I'd be able to use that degree for employment purposes 20-30 years down the line if I wanted to.

[Tareldar]

How do we fix this?

Destroy capitalism.

[Saiwania]

Okay? How does any of this justify illegally bribing people to get kids into college?

The people accepting bribes should be punished, not the people offering bribes; if any punishment is to be had. If the system is stacked against certain types of people, that is sufficient reason for people who don't benefit to do whatever they can to get around such a system that is intent on locking them out; if it is inherently unjust and arbitrary.

[Communist Xomaniax]

The thing is this does not even really get them ahead.
Graduating an from a big name school mostly only helps with your first job, and then only to a certain degree (someone looking for an engineer is still picking the engineer from a normal state school over a women’s studies major from Yale).

It is all prestige. All about looking good.
Like plating your car in gold. It does not make your car faster, you are just engaging in superficial posturing.

Not true in the slightest. Degrees from those schools are worth a ton when it comes to employment and building connections.

Hell, if I was able to go to one of those schools and graduate with a only a Bachelor's or Master's, as long as the school still does well I'd be able to use that degree for employment purposes 20-30 years down the line if I wanted to.

these elite schools are also where their wealthy failsons will make the connections that carry them for life

[Andsed]

Okay? How does any of this justify illegally bribing people to get kids into college?

The people accepting bribes should be punished, not the people offering bribes; if any punishment is to be had. If the system is stacked against certain types of people, that is sufficient reason for people who don't benefit to do whatever they can to get around such a system that is intent on locking them out; if it is inherently unjust and arbitrary.

Uh no. The people offering bribes should most definitely be punished. They are doing an illegal action for their own personal gain. The fact the system is ¨stacked against them¨ changes nothing.

[New haven america]

These were parents that were willing to break the rules to try to get their children the best advantages. The only crime so far as I can tell, are the people who would've gotten admitted into Yale or whatever, but didn't because those people were chosen instead.

Hold on are you implying the people in these plot did not commit any crimes or have I misread your post?

No no, he admits that they committed a crime, he just doesn't believe they're the bad guys.

So par for the course for him.

[Andsed]

Hold on are you implying the people in these plot did not commit any crimes or have I misread your post?

No no, he admits that they committed a crime, he just doesn't believe they're the bad guys.

So par for the course for him.

Ah yeah that makes sense. Well for him at least.

[Saiwania]

Uh no. The people offering bribes should most definitely be punished. They are doing an illegal action for their own personal gain. The fact the system is ¨stacked against them¨ changes nothing.

They should not be getting punished unless the people who accepted their bribes go down with them. That is my price for siding with the universities. Otherwise, I'm inclined to side more with students or regular people trying to get in. Especially with the sheer amount of bullshit higher education as an industry, tries to pull.

[New haven america]

Uh no. The people offering bribes should most definitely be punished. They are doing an illegal action for their own personal gain. The fact the system is ¨stacked against them¨ changes nothing.

They should not be getting punished

Well they are because bribery, cheating on SATs, etc... happens to be illegal in the US.

[Andsed]

Uh no. The people offering bribes should most definitely be punished. They are doing an illegal action for their own personal gain. The fact the system is ¨stacked against them¨ changes nothing.

They should not be getting punished unless the people who accepted their bribes go down with them. That is my price for siding with the universities. Otherwise, I'm inclined to side more with students or regular people trying to get in. Especially with the sheer amount of bullshit higher education as an industry, tries to pull.

Uh yeah when have I ever said the people who accepted their bribes should not be punished as well? And also the people bribing the university are not regular people. They are rich privileged people. It is the regular students who have actually worked hard who are getting fucked in this situation.

[Saiwania]

Uh yeah when have I ever said the people who accepted their bribes should not be punished as well? And also the people bribing the university are not regular people. They are rich privileged people. It is the regular students who have actually worked hard who are getting fucked in this situation.

A pure academic is arguably less likely to be admitted to a place like Yale compared to a person who is "well rounded." One major complaint I have with universities in general is that they're never happy with who they get and constantly ask for more money with no questions allowed as to why what money they get now isn't enough or even what its being spent on.

Universities want this "perfect" renaissance man candidate who doesn't exist. Be from a minority group, meet preferred diversity or economic background, be an athlete, have a track record for a 4.0 GPA, be fluent in 2 or more languages, have community service, have your parents be willing to donate x amount of money, do this- do that. It never ends with these schools.

Lets just say I have as much contempt for these elite colleges as they show unto most people, who can do some but not all.