Right Wing Discussion Thread XIV: Join the Friendkorps

[El-Amin Caliphate]

All this talk about religion makes me want to talk about another religious mass murder.

Inquisition, Crusade, or Jihad this time? Killing 50+ million of your own people with an atheist government is boring, we got to get that it epic removal of heresy.

Sorry if the rest of this is going to be about the crusades, but we haven’t mentioned it enough.

DEUS VULT

Jihad isn't religious mass murder, it's even all about war. So it doesn't really fit with what you want to talk about.

[Hanafuridake]

All this talk about religion makes me want to talk about another religious mass murder.

Inquisition, Crusade, or Jihad this time? Killing 50+ million of your own people with an atheist government is boring, we got to get that it epic removal of heresy.

Sorry if the rest of this is going to be about the crusades, but we haven’t mentioned it enough.

DEUS VULT

Unfortunately if I tried to raid other temples like in the good old days, the Japanese government would throw me in jail.

Smh this country has really declined when you can't punish the Tendai monks for their iniquity.

[Fahran]

Unfortunately if I tried to raid other temples like in the good old days, the Japanese government would throw me in jail.

Smh this country has really declined when you can't punish the Tendai monks for their iniquity.

Calm down, Nichiren.

[Conserative Morality]

All this talk about religion makes me want to talk about another religious mass murder.

Inquisition, Crusade, or Jihad this time? Killing 50+ million of your own people with an atheist government is boring, we got to get that it epic removal of heresy.

Sorry if the rest of this is going to be about the crusades, but we haven’t mentioned it enough.

DEUS VULT

>> specifically religious wars

lol, don't you know that MARS is ALWAYS on the side of ROME and her CONQUERING ARMIES?

OPEN THE GATES OF JANUS

[Fahran]

>> specifically religious wars

lol, don't you know that MARS is ALWAYS on the side of ROME and her CONQUERING ARMIES?

OPEN THE GATES OF JANUS

Roses are red;
Italy has many regions.
Quinctilius Varus, give me back my legions.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

All this talk about religion makes me want to talk about another religious mass murder.

Inquisition, Crusade, or Jihad this time? Killing 50+ million of your own people with an atheist government is boring, we got to get that it epic removal of heresy.

Sorry if the rest of this is going to be about the crusades, but we haven’t mentioned it enough.

DEUS VULT

Unfortunately if I tried to raid other temples like in the good old days, the Japanese government would throw me in jail.

Smh this country has really declined when you can't punish the Tendai monks for their iniquity.

Well of course. After all, the raiding of temples is contrary to societal harmony and stability, hence why one would be thrown in jail upon attempting it.

[Novus America]

All this talk about religion makes me want to talk about another religious mass murder.

Inquisition, Crusade, or Jihad this time? Killing 50+ million of your own people with an atheist government is boring, we got to get that it epic removal of heresy.

Sorry if the rest of this is going to be about the crusades, but we haven’t mentioned it enough.

DEUS VULT

Speaking of the Crusades...The Fourth Crusade (1204 AD) which ended with the Sack of Constantinople ended up bringing the Byzantine Empire to its knees. This was part of Western Christendom's plan to "bring the Orthodox into the fold"; what followed was the Frankokratia/Latinokratia, which subjected certain parts of Greece to Frankish or Latin rule. In certain cases this went on for centuries, even to the 18th and 19th centuries in certain cases! Sure, it wasn't the final death of the Byzantine Empire, as Constantinople was liberated by the Greeks in 1261 AD; but the Empire was permanently crippled, and this gave the Turks the opportunity to build up their power. The Rise of the Ottomans is directly linked to the Fourth Crusade and the subsequent Power Vacuum in Anatolia and the Balkans. Without the Crusaders; without Western meddling in the affairs of the Christian East , there would've been no Ottoman Empire.

Actually the 4th was not part of any grand Roman plan. Rather it was hinacked by the Venetians who turned the crusaders into mercenaries in its conflict with the ERE.

The attack on Constantinople was contrary to the Pope’s orders. Venice and many crusaders got excommunicated. Sure the Catholic Church was unfortunately more than willing to pick over the spoils after the ERE collapsed, but that never was the intent.

The other thing to note is the 4th crusaders were not some mighty army.
They were a small and poorly disciplined force.

Had the ERE had a decent leader and military at the time the could have easily defeated the pathetic bunch that was the 4th crusade.

[Conserative Morality]

Speaking of the Crusades...The Fourth Crusade (1204 AD) which ended with the Sack of Constantinople ended up bringing the Byzantine Empire to its knees. This was part of Western Christendom's plan to "bring the Orthodox into the fold"; what followed was the Frankokratia/Latinokratia, which subjected certain parts of Greece to Frankish or Latin rule. In certain cases this went on for centuries, even to the 18th and 19th centuries in certain cases! Sure, it wasn't the final death of the Byzantine Empire, as Constantinople was liberated by the Greeks in 1261 AD; but the Empire was permanently crippled, and this gave the Turks the opportunity to build up their power. The Rise of the Ottomans is directly linked to the Fourth Crusade and the subsequent Power Vacuum in Anatolia and the Balkans. Without the Crusaders; without Western meddling in the affairs of the Christian East , there would've been no Ottoman Empire.

Actually the 4th was not part of any grand Roman plan. Rather it was hinacked by the Venetians who turned the crusaders into mercenaries in its conflict with the ERE.

The attack on Constantinople was contrary to the Pope’s orders. Venice and many crusaders got excommunicated. Sure the Catholic Church was unfortunately more than willing to pick over the spoils after the ERE collapsed, but that never was the intent.

The other thing to note is the 4th crusaders were not some mighty army.
They were a small and poorly disciplined force.

Had the ERE had a decent leader and military at the time the could have easily defeated the pathetic bunch that was the 4th crusade.

Or not tried to use them for internal court politics. P A L A C E C O U P

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

Well of course. After all, the raiding of temples is contrary to societal harmony and stability, hence why one would be thrown in jail upon attempting it.

Throwing one in jail also involves violent action.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

Well of course. After all, the raiding of temples is contrary to societal harmony and stability, hence why one would be thrown in jail upon attempting it.

Throwing one in jail also involves violent action.

Yes, but keep in mind that Hanafuridake was expressing the desire to personally raid other temples, i.e. an illegitimate usage of violent action. The Japanese government, by contrast, has just cause to utilize violence in order to prevent the summum malum ("greatest evil", that is to say "war of all against all") within its domain.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

As a side note, I suppose that all of my political positions can be described as:

We live in a society... and that's totally rad.

[Nea Byzantia]

Speaking of the Crusades...The Fourth Crusade (1204 AD) which ended with the Sack of Constantinople ended up bringing the Byzantine Empire to its knees. This was part of Western Christendom's plan to "bring the Orthodox into the fold"; what followed was the Frankokratia/Latinokratia, which subjected certain parts of Greece to Frankish or Latin rule. In certain cases this went on for centuries, even to the 18th and 19th centuries in certain cases! Sure, it wasn't the final death of the Byzantine Empire, as Constantinople was liberated by the Greeks in 1261 AD; but the Empire was permanently crippled, and this gave the Turks the opportunity to build up their power. The Rise of the Ottomans is directly linked to the Fourth Crusade and the subsequent Power Vacuum in Anatolia and the Balkans. Without the Crusaders; without Western meddling in the affairs of the Christian East , there would've been no Ottoman Empire.

Actually the 4th was not part of any grand Roman plan. Rather it was hinacked by the Venetians who turned the crusaders into mercenaries in its conflict with the ERE.

The attack on Constantinople was contrary to the Pope’s orders. Venice and many crusaders got excommunicated. Sure the Catholic Church was unfortunately more than willing to pick over the spoils after the ERE collapsed, but that never was the intent.

The other thing to note is the 4th crusaders were not some mighty army.
They were a small and poorly disciplined force.

Had the ERE had a decent leader and military at the time the could have easily defeated the pathetic bunch that was the 4th crusade.

Which makes it all the more tragic...and as you yourself said, the Catholic Church had no problem sweeping in to take advantage of the chaos; after virtue-signalling of course how opposed they were to the events of 1204 AD. The Catholics came in after Constantinople was sacked and split the Imperial territories among themselves and set up their own micro-kingdoms along Western lines; bringing in Western Feudalism, and attempting to force the Greek Orthodox population to become Catholic. Not to mention the rapacious looting of holy sites, monasteries and churches; and the seizing of holy relics. Their actions over the decades and centuries speak volumes more than their verbal condemnations. Let's not pretend they were innocent angels. They were the main beneficiaries of Constantinople's Sacking.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

So, which one of us will have the honor of creating the OP for A New Hoppe?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

So, which one of us will have the honor of creating the OP for A New Hoppe?

Looks like Fahran has the honors.

[Nea Byzantia]

Actually the 4th was not part of any grand Roman plan. Rather it was hinacked by the Venetians who turned the crusaders into mercenaries in its conflict with the ERE.

The attack on Constantinople was contrary to the Pope’s orders. Venice and many crusaders got excommunicated. Sure the Catholic Church was unfortunately more than willing to pick over the spoils after the ERE collapsed, but that never was the intent.

The other thing to note is the 4th crusaders were not some mighty army.
They were a small and poorly disciplined force.

Had the ERE had a decent leader and military at the time the could have easily defeated the pathetic bunch that was the 4th crusade.

Or not tried to use them for internal court politics. P A L A C E C O U P

Sure you can lay a lot of culpability for those events at the feet of the Byzantine Elites, but that's not an excuse for the excesses of the Latins and Crusaders in Greece, after that time. The Latinokratia/Frankokratia was so terrible that by the time the Ottomans were growing in power, in the 14th century, a lot of Greeks would say "Better the Turban of the Sultan, than the Tiara of the Pope". The logic being that the Sultan, cruel as he was, greedy as he was, blood-thirsty as he was, would at least allow the Greeks to keep their Orthodox Christian Religion (albeit in the humiliating status of Dhimmitude); whereas the Catholic Franks and Latins would not even allow the Greeks that.

[Conserative Morality]

Sure you can lay a lot of culpability for those events at the feet of the Byzantine Elites, but that's not an excuse for the excesses of the Latins and Crusaders in Greece, after that time. The Latinokratia/Frankokratia was so terrible that by the time the Ottomans were growing in power, in the 14th century, a lot of Greeks would say "Better the Turban of the Sultan, than the Tiara of the Pope". The logic being that the Sultan, cruel as he was, greedy as he was, blood-thirsty as he was, would at least allow the Greeks to keep their Orthodox Christian Religion (albeit in the humiliating status of Dhimmitude); whereas the Catholic Franks and Latins would not even allow the Greeks that.

Don't worry, the only crusade I will ever play apologist for is the 3rd.

[Nea Byzantia]

Sure you can lay a lot of culpability for those events at the feet of the Byzantine Elites, but that's not an excuse for the excesses of the Latins and Crusaders in Greece, after that time. The Latinokratia/Frankokratia was so terrible that by the time the Ottomans were growing in power, in the 14th century, a lot of Greeks would say "Better the Turban of the Sultan, than the Tiara of the Pope". The logic being that the Sultan, cruel as he was, greedy as he was, blood-thirsty as he was, would at least allow the Greeks to keep their Orthodox Christian Religion (albeit in the humiliating status of Dhimmitude); whereas the Catholic Franks and Latins would not even allow the Greeks that.

Don't worry, the only crusade I will ever play apologist for is the 3rd.

Richard the Lionheart was pretty great; and Isaac Komnenos was oppressing his own subject in Cyprus, so Richard's liberation of Cyprus was a genuine good. But selling it to the Knights Templar, and later the Lusignans, wasn't so great. Richard essentially liberated the Island from one Tyrant and handed them over to another.

Frederick Barbarossa...well...I'm not such a fan of his. When the Byzantine Emperor Isaac II Komnenos (ruled: 1185 AD - 1195 AD, 1203 AD) refused to pay him tribute, as Frederick and his German Army were marching through the Balkans, the Holy Roman Emperor responded by sacking and pillaging his way through Thrace and Anatolia, crossing over into Asia at Gallipoli. He then marched through Seljuk territory and drowned (anticlimactically) in some river in Syria (God riddance!).

[Conserative Morality]

Richard the Lionheart was pretty great; and Isaac Komnenos was oppressing his own subject in Cyprus, so Richard's liberation of Cyprus was a genuine good. But selling it to the Knights Templar, and later the Lusignans, wasn't so great. Richard essentially liberated the Island from one Tyrant and handed them over to another.

"Promise not to throw me in irons."

"Okay."

"Phew."

"Men, clap him in silver chains!"

10/10, would sell everything I can get my hands on to fund a war addiction again

[Nea Byzantia]

Richard the Lionheart was pretty great; and Isaac Komnenos was oppressing his own subject in Cyprus, so Richard's liberation of Cyprus was a genuine good. But selling it to the Knights Templar, and later the Lusignans, wasn't so great. Richard essentially liberated the Island from one Tyrant and handed them over to another.

"Promise not to throw me in irons."

"Okay."

"Phew."

"Men, clap him in silver chains!"

10/10, would sell everything I can get my hands on to fund a war addiction again

I though it was Gold chains, but I could be wrong.

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

Why hello there










Almost to 500 pages

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

That's it? You have nothing better to say?

Words are not inherently valuable without any sincere or deceptive concepts reinforcing their phrasing and subtly implied meaning. To believe that my sentence must contain any coherent content within the context is to believe that drinking water has any purpose but to provide hydration and remove unpleasant sensory information just as flavored potable fluids do. It is not necessary, although it is not required to have motivation or contribute deeper thoughts to this natural flow of semi-cognitive discourse.

[Nea Byzantia]

That's it? You have nothing better to say?

Words are not inherently valuable without any sincere or deceptive concepts reinforcing their phrasing and subtly implied meaning. To believe that my sentence must contain any coherent content within the context is to believe that drinking water has any purpose but to provide hydration and remove unpleasant sensory information just as flavored potable fluids do. It is not necessary although it is not required to have motivation or contribute deeper thoughts to this natural flow of semi-cognitive discourse.

I totally agree. Your comment also applies to my words. Don't take it seriously.

[Nea Byzantia]

Why hello there










Almost to 500 pages

That was an Obi-Wan reference, wasn't it?

[Fahran]

So, which one of us will have the honor of creating the OP for A New Hoppe?

I’ll throw it up as soon as we hit 500.

[Valrifell]

That's it? You have nothing better to say?

Words are not inherently valuable without any sincere or deceptive concepts reinforcing their phrasing and subtly implied meaning. To believe that my sentence must contain any coherent content within the context is to believe that drinking water has any purpose but to provide hydration and remove unpleasant sensory information just as flavored potable fluids do. It is not necessary although it is not required to have motivation or contribute deeper thoughts to this natural flow of semi-cognitive discourse.

You can't just justify a shitpost with the philosophical nature of language.