[DRAFT] Commend Cormactopia Prime

[Malphe]

Is there any actual proof that he was actually planning to coup the region? As far as I know, it was all speculatory.

Does it matter? :p

Uh, yeah, getting the facts right in a commendation kinda does matter?

[Consular]

Care to elaborate?

At a guess? Euro doesn't much like Cormac, because Cormac has historically been critical of them, and they are really very petty. It's one of their more shit "qualities"

Cormac is ridiculous but also very much commendable so all of the support.

[Lord Dominator]

Does it matter?

Uh, yeah, getting the facts right in a commendation kinda does matter?

Fair, but as I understand that whole situation was confusing anyways, so I don't think there is a straight answer.

[Malphe]

Uh, yeah, getting the facts right in a commendation kinda does matter?

Fair, but as I understand that whole situation was confusing anyways, so I don't think there is a straight answer.

If there isn't a straight answer then imo the proposal shouldn't try to present it like it has one. I don't know either way, that situation is a mystery to me, but if we don't know how it exactly went down we shouldn't pretend we do. n stuff

[Democratic Republic Of Unified States]

#commendcormac

[Zaolat]

I'm not against this proposal by any means. But, let me point you to Xoriet's commend repeal thread argument about her being NPO, trounces all her good deeds. So yeah, Lanav has a point going by that standard.

It's valid, if you think that opposing the NPO is wrong. Most people don't think that, so it isn't really a convincing point.

Well, you're wrong.

By that logic, Cormac has been everyone's enemy and headache at some point, therefore he shouldn't get any C&C. Cormac has never been a saint and has created his fair share of trouble for himself and others. Though, his "bad" and his "good" is frankly enough to warrant both a Commendation and a Condemnation. Very few people truly deserve that, and he is one of them.

[The Tri State Area and Maine]

It's valid, if you think that opposing the NPO is wrong. Most people don't think that, so it isn't really a convincing point.

Well, you're wrong.

By that logic, Cormac has been everyone's enemy and headache at some point, therefore he shouldn't get any C&C. Cormac has never been a saint and has created his fair share of trouble for himself and others. Though, his "bad" and his "good" is frankly enough to warrant both a Commendation and a Condemnation. Very few people truly deserve that, and he is one of them.

"At some point" doesn't really matter. If you were to dislike Cormac right now, you wouldn't give him a commendation right now. Obviously you may be willing to give him one in the future, but why would you want to give him one right now?

[Lord Dominator]

Well, you're wrong.

By that logic, Cormac has been everyone's enemy and headache at some point, therefore he shouldn't get any C&C. Cormac has never been a saint and has created his fair share of trouble for himself and others. Though, his "bad" and his "good" is frankly enough to warrant both a Commendation and a Condemnation. Very few people truly deserve that, and he is one of them.

"At some point" doesn't really matter. If you were to dislike Cormac right now, you wouldn't give him a commendation right now. Obviously you may be willing to give him one in the future, but why would you want to give him one right now?

Because Zao evidently thinks that Cormac deserves one, as he indicated?

[Flanderlion]

I think the condemnation should come first, but realistically, as long as he gets both within a reasonable timeframe, I'm fine with whatever order.

[The Tri State Area and Maine]

"At some point" doesn't really matter. If you were to dislike Cormac right now, you wouldn't give him a commendation right now. Obviously you may be willing to give him one in the future, but why would you want to give him one right now?

Because Zao evidently thinks that Cormac deserves one, as he indicated?

So the SC is more of a Hall of Fame then of anything actually IC interesting. Got it.

[Lord Dominator]

Because Zao evidently thinks that Cormac deserves one, as he indicated?

So the SC is more of a Hall of Fame then of anything actually IC interesting. Got it.

Not sure why you think those two states are not able to exist together.

[The Tri State Area and Maine]

So the SC is more of a Hall of Fame then of anything actually IC interesting. Got it.

Not sure why you think those two states are not able to exist together.

Why would you do something against your IC interests in an IC setting?

[Lord Dominator]

Not sure why you think those two states are not able to exist together.

Why would you do something against your IC interests in an IC setting?

Because Gameplay and thus the SC has never had a great divide between IC/OOC, so no one really sees much of an IC interest most of the time.

[Zaolat]

Not sure why you think those two states are not able to exist together.

Why would you do something against your IC interests in an IC setting?

Because as many times as I felt opposed to Cormac there are times I felt in support. Again this goes in hand with me thinking he deserves both, but even if it was only opposition instead, he's done enough that it goes beyond the times when I'm his IC "enemy". Cormac is a very love him or hate him, and occasionally both love-hate. Many many people do not like him IC and many do like him IC. IC he's done things that are good for his communities, other communities, and the Gameplay meta as a whole, and on the reverse side he's instigated things people won't say was "good".

It may seem too OOC to you, but regardless of that, recognition should go where it's due. He's done plenty to warrant being commended and being condemned IC. So much so, he's one of the very few who's done so much IC that he deserves both. Sedge is the only other person to have held both and to be honest, sedge wasn't nearly as worthy to hold both. Cormac is. The only other person I can see as worthy of both off the top of my head as well, would be Unibot. For reasons, no one is going to go into detail over, that will not happen.

[Zaolat]

Tim, are you gonna do anything about this?