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Iron Fist Socialists

Postby Kurnugia » Wed Feb 20, 2019 7:34 pm

Unibot III wrote:snip


This guy would probably stamp any galactic empire or empire of man themed regions as nazi :rofl:
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Postby Pierconium » Thu Feb 21, 2019 1:16 am

Kuramia wrote:While the superiority complex imbued within Francoism is exclusionary and runs contrary to the values of Europeia and other User-Created Regions, my comments in NationStates Today went too far. I wish to apologize for conflating Francoism with Nazism. Europeia recognizes the steps NPO is taking in their pledge to end Francoism. Europeia will continue to promote the values of inclusion and respect among all willing to communicate civilly.

Thank you.

I have to ask, was it the public outcry or the idea that you might be thinking the same as someone like Unibot (whose wall of text is laughable at best) that led to this statement?
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Postby Unibot III » Thu Feb 21, 2019 8:48 am

Pierconium wrote:someone like Unibot (whose wall of text is laughable at best)


Francos Spain and Unlimited, both students of European politics, know exactly what language they were lifting when the former named a state, the New Pacific Order, and Unlimited et. al. created an ideology around reclamation, annexation, unification, and national pride and culture, in addition to collective servitude and the abolition of the individual, against a sinister "deceptive," elite/dominant minority.

The NPO is a not very subtle pastiche of European nationalist dictatorships.

Sure it's a game, nobody has died over a game, but it is a pastiche and the source is clear and unsavory. I don't see anything wrong about pointing out the connection. Francoist rhetoric is indistinguishable from RL fascist propaganda, it just inserts "userite" where RL dictators used "jew" - and the logic of them as a dominant minority, infiltrating political society and weakening and imperalising nations from within remains intact. You may be comfortable with that, knowing it is a game, but I don't think it is fair to direct outrage, not to the people prancing around with Mein Kampf ripoffs, but to the people pointing out the plagiarism.
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Postby Big Bad Badger » Thu Feb 21, 2019 9:09 am

That is a disgusting comparison.
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Postby Roavin » Thu Feb 21, 2019 9:48 am



Well, I got it correct every single time. Not so indistinguishable.

Collectivism and outgroup derogation in propaganda are neither new nor unusual in this game. This is a dumb comparison.
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Postby Kurnugia » Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:39 am

Roavin wrote:


Well, I got it correct every single time. Not so indistinguishable.

Collectivism and outgroup derogation in propaganda are neither new nor unusual in this game. This is a dumb comparison.

The quiz was hilarious bad too. Like the quote about democracy could have stemmed from a monarchist or something like that.
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Postby The Notorious Mad Jack » Thu Feb 21, 2019 12:03 pm

I find it very amusing for Unibot to pretend to be outraged by supposed fascism on behalf of the NPO, when I'm pretty sure he rewarded Automagfreek with Condemnation. Were we to take the things AMF has said in RPs at the value Unibot wants us to take the NPO, then Unibot supports fascism as evidenced by rewarding AMF with an in-character condemnation.

Such a comparison would be incredibly stupid, but then, so is comparing the NPO to real life fascists and nazis.
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Postby Unibot III » Thu Feb 21, 2019 12:30 pm

Roavin wrote:


Well, I got it correct every single time. Not so indistinguishable.

Collectivism and outgroup derogation in propaganda are neither new nor unusual in this game. This is a dumb comparison.


I am not "comparing" Francoism and Nazism, I'm saying Francoism is a flat out pastiche of European Fascist propaganda. And you can brush it off as a game if you like, but calling it a "dumb" or "disgusting" statement is stubborn cognitive dissonance from people who should know better: the fact that NPO is a ripoff of the kinds of RL propaganda that ravaged and occupied Western and Eastern Europe in generations past is incontrovertible. The "logic" of Francoism lifts directly from the "logic" of ethno-nationalism, an aggrieved cultural diaspora 'oppressed' by a deceptive, dominant minority.

I am not saying that proponents of Francoism are fascists or unemphatic or racists, I am saying that their rhetoric was a deliberate carbon copy of RL fascist propaganda by political science undergraduates (probably playfully) in '03-04 - whether that is ethically significant in a game isn't really something I've given much thought to, but I know disputing the connection in and of itself is disputing reality.

I find it very amusing for Unibot to pretend to be outraged by supposed fascism on behalf of the NPO, when I'm pretty sure he rewarded Automagfreek with Condemnation. Were we to take the things AMF has said in RPs at the value Unibot wants us to take the NPO, then Unibot supports fascism as evidenced by rewarding AMF with an in-character condemnation.

Such a comparison would be incredibly stupid, but then, so is comparing the NPO to real life fascists and nazis.


I'm not outraged, nor am I pretending to 'feel' anything.

I was responding to criticism (in fact, a piling-on) of someone's statement that NPO reminded them of Nazi propaganda. The point of my initial defense is folks have a fair reason to see similarities: Francoist propaganda is liberally lifted from RL Fascist sources. I've also found it uncomfortable watching people in this thread get more angry about that simple truth being pointed out than anything else.
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Father Knows Best State

Postby The Seeker of Power » Thu Feb 21, 2019 12:57 pm

Are you really QUOTING YOURSELF to argument an answer? Isn't that circularly too much?
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Postby Unibot III » Thu Feb 21, 2019 2:52 pm

The Seeker of Power wrote:Are you really QUOTING YOURSELF to argument an answer? Isn't that circularly too much?


Not sure what you're referring to, Elegarth?
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Postby The Seeker of Power » Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:05 pm

Unibot III wrote:
Pierconium wrote:someone like Unibot (whose wall of text is laughable at best)


Francos Spain and Unlimited, both students of European politics, know exactly what language they were lifting when the former named a state, the New Pacific Order, and Unlimited et. al. created an ideology around reclamation, annexation, unification, and national pride and culture, in addition to collective servitude and the abolition of the individual, against a sinister "deceptive," elite/dominant minority.

The NPO is a not very subtle pastiche of European nationalist dictatorships.

Sure it's a game, nobody has died over a game, but it is a pastiche and the source is clear and unsavory. I don't see anything wrong about pointing out the connection. Francoist rhetoric is indistinguishable from RL fascist propaganda, it just inserts "userite" where RL dictators used "jew" - and the logic of them as a dominant minority, infiltrating political society and weakening and imperalising nations from within remains intact. You may be comfortable with that, knowing it is a game, but I don't think it is fair to direct outrage, not to the people prancing around with Mein Kampf ripoffs, but to the people pointing out the plagiarism.


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If you're bothered by the NPO Uni, why did you join their ranks?

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Postby Consular » Fri Feb 22, 2019 4:19 pm

I am familiar with literally zero of those. :unsure:

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Postby The Seeker of Power » Fri Feb 22, 2019 4:59 pm

Consular wrote:I am familiar with literally zero of those. :unsure:

Same here.
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Voted for "We have lots of new friends".

Don't know what it is about, but I can imagine role playing having lots of new friends!
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New Edition for February 24th Released!

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Elections for Governor & Podcast Reminder

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And that's a wrap! Earlier today, we broadcast the first episode of The Newsroom, the NationStates Today Podcast, on Twitch. Our hosts, Wymondham and Lewis Flood, interviewed Halo and Imki, the WA Delegates of the West Pacific and Lazarus respectively. If you missed it, don't worry! We're editing our first episode to add music and effects, and it'll be released next Wednesday.


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NEW EDITION! (March 3rd)

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Podcast Episode 1 Now Live!

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The first episode of the NSToday Podcast is now live!
Summary: Covering regional theming, the Euro election, and just general chat, the first episode from The Newsroom is now live! Featuring Delegates Imki and Halo, from Lazarus and the West Pacific.

https://nationstates.news/the-newsroom-podcast-ep-1-march-2nd-w-imki-halo/625/

Direct Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/ns_today/the-newsroom-episode-1-ft-imki-halo
Direct MP3: https://nationstates.news/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/thenewsroomepisode1.mp3
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Postby Grater Tovakia » Wed Mar 06, 2019 6:38 pm

Great Interview! It was a really good listen and the topics were really interesting. I can't wait for the next edition.
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New Weekend Edition: March 31st, 2019

Postby NationStates Today » Wed Apr 03, 2019 3:56 pm

This week's Weekend (newpaper) Edition can be found here: https://nationstates.news/weekend-edition-march-31st-2019/688/

Thanks for reading! If you have any questions, contact @lawrencedepe#1475 or @brihimia#8845 on Discord.
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