I am a socialist. I believe socialism can be achieved through democratic means.
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by Novacambria » Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:24 pm
by The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Mon Feb 18, 2019 5:32 pm
Hammer Britannia wrote:The word you're looking for is "Social Democrat", which is the whole "Capitalism, but with a wealth net and high taxes".
Democratic Socialism is when the workers own the means of production under a democratic state
Novacambria wrote:I am a socialist. I believe socialism can be achieved through democratic means.
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by Hammer Britannia » Mon Feb 18, 2019 6:16 pm
The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:Hammer Britannia wrote:The word you're looking for is "Social Democrat", which is the whole "Capitalism, but with a wealth net and high taxes".
Democratic Socialism is when the workers own the means of production under a democratic state
I know, I’m just asking because there are a lot of ‘socialists’ that are against the principles of socialism. Social democracy in its current definition strengthens capitalism and makes democratic socialism look totally unnecessary.Novacambria wrote:I am a socialist. I believe socialism can be achieved through democratic means.
(X) Doubt
by Telconi » Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:52 pm
Hammer Britannia wrote:The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:I know, I’m just asking because there are a lot of ‘socialists’ that are against the principles of socialism. Social democracy in its current definition strengthens capitalism and makes democratic socialism look totally unnecessary.
(X) Doubt
Socialism can't be achieved outside of shitty communes any bigger than 2000 people period
by Vallermoore » Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:07 pm
by Western Vale Confederacy » Tue Feb 19, 2019 1:24 am
Hammer Britannia wrote:The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:I know, I’m just asking because there are a lot of ‘socialists’ that are against the principles of socialism. Social democracy in its current definition strengthens capitalism and makes democratic socialism look totally unnecessary.
(X) Doubt
Socialism can't be achieved outside of shitty communes any bigger than 2000 people period
by North German Realm » Tue Feb 19, 2019 7:55 am
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:Hammer Britannia wrote:Socialism can't be achieved outside of shitty communes any bigger than 2000 people period
That would be libertarian socialism, which has consistently failed everywhere that wasn’t a war zone. Kronstadt, Makhnovia, the CNT-FAI, etc...all rose during periods of civil war and got instantly crushed the minute that the gun barrel turned towards ‘em (and all of them got yeeted by fellow socialists).
Authoritarian socialism has had more noticeable successes, albeit not without many flaws.
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by Cekoviu » Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:33 am
Hammer Britannia wrote:The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:I know, I’m just asking because there are a lot of ‘socialists’ that are against the principles of socialism. Social democracy in its current definition strengthens capitalism and makes democratic socialism look totally unnecessary.
(X) Doubt
Socialism can't be achieved outside of shitty communes any bigger than 2000 people period
by Meikaii » Wed Feb 20, 2019 4:53 am
Meikaii wrote:Fascism inspired, merit based geniocracy. It is the government's job, when rooted purely in fact, to eliminate falsehoods through whatever means necessary. By virtue of the politicans being benevolent and intelligent, there is little need for opposition; it can be said that any oppostion to decency, intelligence, reason, and a higher standard of living is definitively an oppressor which should be stamped out as soon as possible.
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Meikaii wrote:Fascism inspired, merit based geniocracy. It is the government's job, when rooted purely in fact, to eliminate falsehoods through whatever means necessary. By virtue of the politicans being benevolent and intelligent, there is little need for opposition; it can be said that any oppostion to decency, intelligence, reason, and a higher standard of living is definitively an oppressor which should be stamped out as soon as possible.
Because the people in power won't totally create their own truth to justify their atrocities, and suppress whistle blowers.
by The National Salvation Front for Russia » Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:09 am
by Cekoviu » Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:59 am
The National Salvation Front for Russia wrote:"Benevolent" and "Intelligent" politicians are exceedingly rare. I can only bring up a few examples, Huey Long standing foremost.
Otherwise politicians will always look out for numero uno. Politicians and merit rarely go together.
by Ginicun » Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:48 pm
Cekoviu wrote:The National Salvation Front for Russia wrote:"Benevolent" and "Intelligent" politicians are exceedingly rare. I can only bring up a few examples, Huey Long standing foremost.
Otherwise politicians will always look out for numero uno. Politicians and merit rarely go together.
While I understand your trepidation regarding declaring politicians as benevolent, I strongly disagree that politicians are not usually intelligent. Vladimir Putin, for example, definitely does not have good intentions, but it would be hard to argue that he's dumb.
by Byzconia » Fri Feb 22, 2019 3:12 pm
VoVoDoCo wrote:First of all,You said you'd remain skeptical until there was a real world example (unless there was another post before that one I didn't see, in that case, my apologies). That's different than getting policy specific, which is what you did in this last post. Wording was the issue here.
Second of all,90% of this last part seems irrelevant. We're not debating any of those topics. I brought corporate taxes up as an example. Debate about corporate taxes or healthcare wasn't on the agenda.
Third of all, you don't get to tell us whether these latest tax cuts are our wet dream or not. You don't know the ideology enough. The LP actually went on record saying the party is against the cuts.
Fourth of all, no really. Why go into such heavy detail explaining why you believe what you do on those issues? That wasn't the discussion. Literally the only thing you had to say was, "I didn't really mean real world examples of utopias, I meant real world examples of successful policy implementation."
by Byzconia » Fri Feb 22, 2019 3:25 pm
Hammer Britannia wrote:The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:I know, I’m just asking because there are a lot of ‘socialists’ that are against the principles of socialism. Social democracy in its current definition strengthens capitalism and makes democratic socialism look totally unnecessary.
(X) Doubt
Socialism can't be achieved outside of shitty communes any bigger than 2000 people period
by Byzconia » Fri Feb 22, 2019 3:27 pm
Meikaii wrote:Meikaii wrote:Fascism inspired, merit based geniocracy. It is the government's job, when rooted purely in fact, to eliminate falsehoods through whatever means necessary. By virtue of the politicans being benevolent and intelligent, there is little need for opposition; it can be said that any oppostion to decency, intelligence, reason, and a higher standard of living is definitively an oppressor which should be stamped out as soon as possible.
Not every politician is intelligent or benevolent.
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Meikaii wrote:Fascism inspired, merit based geniocracy. It is the government's job, when rooted purely in fact, to eliminate falsehoods through whatever means necessary. By virtue of the politicans being benevolent and intelligent, there is little need for opposition; it can be said that any oppostion to decency, intelligence, reason, and a higher standard of living is definitively an oppressor which should be stamped out as soon as possible.
Because the people in power won't totally create their own truth to justify their atrocities, and suppress whistle blowers.
by Cekoviu » Fri Feb 22, 2019 6:22 pm
Ginicun wrote:Cekoviu wrote:While I understand your trepidation regarding declaring politicians as benevolent, I strongly disagree that politicians are not usually intelligent. Vladimir Putin, for example, definitely does not have good intentions, but it would be hard to argue that he's dumb.
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by Lamoni » Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:51 pm
Ginicun wrote:Cekoviu wrote:While I understand your trepidation regarding declaring politicians as benevolent, I strongly disagree that politicians are not usually intelligent. Vladimir Putin, for example, definitely does not have good intentions, but it would be hard to argue that he's dumb.
i believe there are only 2 genders. change my view
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