[DEFEATED] Condemn Antifa

[Canterac]

A resolution to express shock and dismay at a nation or region.

Category: Condemnation

Nominee: Antifa

Proposed by: Koholint-Island

NOTING that Antifa is a region created to invade others that present a different ideology.

NOTING how among the regions that Antifa has invaded, many were peaceful and innocent.

ENRAGED by the fact that Antifa invades peaceful regions and complains when others (of a different ideology) do the same.

DISGUSTED that Antifa is an Alt-left region that presents ideologies just as dangerous as the Alt-right it wants to fight.

HEREBY, condemn Antifa.

[Koholint-Island]

Thx

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

You’re going to have to do a lot more work on this as you’ve given no detailed reasons to condemn. At the moment this is a pretty mediocre attempt.

Would advise you read other past, passed Condemnations to get an idea of the work you need to do to bring this up to scratch.

[Caelapes]

so what're y'all's real nations

[Cedoria]

Hah no.

Start with giving actual examples of behaviour and reason to condemn beyond just ideological generalities. Then maybe this will have a snowball's chance in hell.

[United Confederate States]

the Sheboyganite Union approves this

[Borovan3]

Nay until more substantial reasons

[Sheboyganite Union]

No i say we pass this and end ages of Antifa persecutions and for violation of freedom of speech for all fascist regions as it is guranteed by the WA

[Borovan3]

No i say we pass this and end ages of Antifa persecutions and for violation of freedom of speech for all fascist regions as it is guranteed by the WA

Regions aren't entitled to anything. That's outside the GA realm. If the freedoms really are guaranteed by the WA all the nation's in a region should be in the WA and not freeloading the benefits.

[Bedetopia]

I feel like directly saying "alt-left" and "alt-right" goes against rule 4a, though GenSec allowed it. What am I missing?

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Like others have said in this thread, this needs a lot more work to be viable, though to be honest, it probably won't pass anyway due to the current political climate in the WA.

[Lyrical International Brigade]

I feel like directly saying "alt-left" and "alt-right" goes against rule 4a, though GenSec allowed it. What am I missing?

Speaking for myself only, "alt-right" is a generic enough descriptor that I don't count it as a specific RL reference (you can understand its basics without necessarily referring to specific people, e.g.); while "alt-left" is a figment of the imaginations of

...and therefore cannot be an RL reference.

-- 1/6 GenSec

[Lord Dominator]

I'm confused on the chatter about GenSec in a SC thread...

[Bedetopia]

I'm confused on the chatter about GenSec in a SC thread...

Uh well, how are the guys who decide the legality of SC proposals called then?

I feel like directly saying "alt-left" and "alt-right" goes against rule 4a, though GenSec allowed it. What am I missing?

Speaking for myself only, "alt-right" is a generic enough descriptor that I don't count it as a specific RL reference (you can understand its basics without necessarily referring to specific people, e.g.); while "alt-left" is a figment of the imaginations of

...and therefore cannot be an RL reference.

-- 1/6 GenSec

Feels like a double standard if you ask me.

[Qwabour Harbour]

Here we go again.

1) Evidence on innocent regions
2) We raid fascist regions
3) we aren't alt left
4) what is your main

[Lord Dominator]

I'm confused on the chatter about GenSec in a SC thread...

Uh well, how are the guys who decide the legality of SC proposals called then?

Moderators

[Kranostav]

While I have no opinion on this, it does seem odd to be frothing at the mouth because someone posted a proposal with a puppet. Don't let your jimmies be rustled

[Pogorevka]

Disappointed in this. There are plenty of reasons to condemn and generally find antifa and the like insufferable, yet your proposal is devoid of just about any reason worth a vote

Withdrawal and redraft imho.

[Lyrical International Brigade]

I'm confused on the chatter about GenSec in a SC thread...

Uh well, how are the guys who decide the legality of SC proposals called then?

Moderators?

Speaking for myself only, "alt-right" is a generic enough descriptor that I don't count it as a specific RL reference (you can understand its basics without necessarily referring to specific people, e.g.); while "alt-left" is a figment of the imaginations of

...and therefore cannot be an RL reference.

-- 1/6 GenSec

Feels like a double standard if you ask me.

In what sense? I wouldn't count either "alt-left" or "alt-right" as an RL reference in the GA, and I have no say over the SC.

Unless you mean "one chamber has one standard and the other chamber has another standard." In which case this is to be expected.

[Nuclear Wastelands]

OOC: This Proposal can be seen as a 4(c) violation. I suggest you come up with more IC reasons in the Draft. Secondly, this proposal is obviously a draft and I suggest you work on it to make it a bit beefier with more information about why condemn "Antifa".

IC:

"Support, although this proposal needs work. If you need help, the Wasteland Diplomatic Department located in The Commonwealth would be fully willing to help."

[Ithreland]

I feel like directly saying "alt-left" and "alt-right" goes against rule 4a, though GenSec allowed it. What am I missing?

Speaking for myself only, "alt-right" is a generic enough descriptor that I don't count it as a specific RL reference (you can understand its basics without necessarily referring to specific people, e.g.); while "alt-left" is a figment of the imaginations of

...and therefore cannot be an RL reference.

-- 1/6 GenSec

A member of RL Antifa once attacked someone with a bike lock. Any extreme group can be bad, or "alt-direction".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muoR8Td44UE

[Ransium]

Although I’m not a fan of alt-left/right appearing in an SC proposal, I’m inclined to give most political terms that are generic enough (don’t reference a specific RL person, place, event etc.) a pass from an R4(a) perspective.

[Bedetopia]

Would you look at all these approvals. This thing is actually getting to quorum.

While it doesn't help that a certain news source made an article on this, I suspect there is some aggressive Jocospor-style campaigning at work.

[Ransium]

This resolution is at vote.

[The Communist Union of B]

I agree with this. Antifa spreads propaganda and invades regions under the guise of “we’re removing fascism and making the world better” when all they’re doing is destabilizing peaceful right wing regions and doing more damage then the alt-right they try to fight and leaving them an empty husk. It’s time to end them once and far all.

I do have to agree this is a pretty empty assembly proposal though and will need to be redrafted to have great effect.