DRAFT: Protection of Hate Speech

[Hatzisland]

Have my fellow representatives ever heard of the "paradox of tolerance"? It is a theory set out by Karl Marx that a completely tolerant society, one that allows every kind of speech- including hate speech- will not remain tolerant for long. Allowing bigotry to go unpunished means it will take root and grow like a weed until it spreads. In order to truly promote tolerance, one must offer no stage for hate speech.
The proposed law would only protect those seeking to do harm to marginalized peoples, and would do nothing to promote freedom of speech.

OOC: Karl Marx, huh? Didn't he build the perfect society? Yes, I think he did. If only very nation followed marxism. Very good point. In fact, while we're at it, we should make a name day for Karl Marx. I mean, Marxism led to Communism, and the people in Soviet Russia would be there first people to tell you how great communism and Stalin were, right? Anyone? No?

[Jebslund]

Have my fellow representatives ever heard of the "paradox of tolerance"? It is a theory set out by Karl Marx that a completely tolerant society, one that allows every kind of speech- including hate speech- will not remain tolerant for long. Allowing bigotry to go unpunished means it will take root and grow like a weed until it spreads. In order to truly promote tolerance, one must offer no stage for hate speech.
The proposed law would only protect those seeking to do harm to marginalized peoples, and would do nothing to promote freedom of speech.

OOC: Karl Marx, huh? Didn't he build the perfect society? Yes, I think he did. If only very nation followed marxism. Very good point. In fact, while we're at it, we should make a name day for Karl Marx. I mean, Marxism led to Communism, and the people in Soviet Russia would be there first people to tell you how great communism and Stalin were, right? Anyone? No?

[OOC: Ah, yes. Person A is wrong about one thing, so, clearly, nothing that person says could possibly be right ever. Never mind that we have ample evidence of the paradox of tolerance. Nope. Karl Marx was wrong about communism (never mind that Marx didn't endorse Stalin's take on "communism". Your argument is like saying Washington ought to be blamed for Manifest Destiny.), so he MUST be wrong about the paradox of tolerance, too.

Are you familiar with the adage, "Even a broken clock is right twice a day"?]

[Andoros]

OOC: I don't think this draft/resolution should come to pass. Not that I disagree with you, I support the idea behind it (both as my nation and somewhat IRL as well). But, this draft serves to reinforce the idea that "hate speech" should be kept separate from regular free speech. Maybe you could emphasize more on regular free speech, instead of only "hate groups"? (Public universites mandated to provide platform for all controversial ideas, regardless of their relative unpopularity etc.)

[Hatzisland]

OOC: Karl Marx, huh? Didn't he build the perfect society? Yes, I think he did. If only very nation followed marxism. Very good point. In fact, while we're at it, we should make a name day for Karl Marx. I mean, Marxism led to Communism, and the people in Soviet Russia would be there first people to tell you how great communism and Stalin were, right? Anyone? No?

[OOC: Ah, yes. Person A is wrong about one thing, so, clearly, nothing that person says could possibly be right ever. Never mind that we have ample evidence of the paradox of tolerance. Nope. Karl Marx was wrong about communism (never mind that Marx didn't endorse Stalin's take on "communism". Your argument is like saying Washington ought to be blamed for Manifest Destiny.), so he MUST be wrong about the paradox of tolerance, too.

Are you familiar with the adage, "Even a broken clock is right twice a day"?]

Yes I am. However, I this clock is still hours away from being correct.

[Nyasantara]

OOC: It was Karl Popper who conceived of the Paradox of Tolerance, not Karl Marx.

In any case, typically those who oppose Karl Marx or Marian theory have a very poor understanding of it. It's less debate on the labor theory of value, commodity fetishism or his ideas on alienation and more "Oh haven't you heard how evil communism and socialism is?"

[Rat Piss]

"While I mostly find this to be a huge embarrassing mess, I could be swayed if it also included a 'freedom of consquences" legalizing a certain amount of mob or vigalante justice against bigots."

[Falcania]

So just to be clear here, the delegations in favour of this legislation are inviting the delegation from the Free Kingdom to call them contemptible, stupid, incompetent, laughable and a disgrace to the World Assembly? That it is a good thing that they have hatred heaped upon them in the name of free speech?

[Kowani]

OOC: Protecting hatespeech has nothing to do with criticizing governments - and yes, government officials should be protected from hatespeech as private citizens in terms of ethnicity, sexuality, etc.

Why should hatespeech be protected? Like, give me one good reason beyond "because I want to say nasty things and not get in trouble".

Because whoever defines what speech is protected and what is not will always pick based on their own interests.

[Arasi Luvasa]

So just to be clear here, the delegations in favour of this legislation are inviting the delegation from the Free Kingdom to call them contemptible, stupid, incompetent, laughable and a disgrace to the World Assembly? That it is a good thing that they have hatred heaped upon them in the name of free speech?

And the right to call other nations/people to mutilate and brutalise or murder you?

[Greater vakolicci haven]

So just to be clear here, the delegations in favour of this legislation are inviting the delegation from the Free Kingdom to call them contemptible, stupid, incompetent, laughable and a disgrace to the World Assembly? That it is a good thing that they have hatred heaped upon them in the name of free speech?

"If your delegation wishes to speak to us in that mannor, we can happily answer back with childish insults of our own. However, we would not stoop to such lows; on the other hand, you will notice how we did not challenge your right to call us such things."

[Battlion]

So just to be clear here, the delegations in favour of this legislation are inviting the delegation from the Free Kingdom to call them contemptible, stupid, incompetent, laughable and a disgrace to the World Assembly? That it is a good thing that they have hatred heaped upon them in the name of free speech?

"If your delegation wishes to speak to us in that mannor, we can happily answer back with childish insults of our own. However, we would not stoop to such lows; on the other hand, you will notice how we did not challenge your right to call us such things."

I like to think there is a distinct difference between “childish insults” and real hate speech which often is directed at vulnerable groups of society who cannot change certain aspects of themselves, with the potential of real harm to them as a result.

The idea of “protecting hate speech” is not something we should be translating into international law.

[New Bremerton]

While we agree with the sentiment that hate speech is protected free speech unless it includes a direct incitement to violence, this is already covered by GAR#436. There is no need to complicate matters any further. GenSec will see to it that it is marked as illegal for duplication.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

While we agree with the sentiment that hate speech is protected free speech unless it includes a direct incitement to violence, this is already covered by GAR#436. There is no need to complicate matters any further. GenSec will see to it that it is marked as illegal for duplication.

Doesn't that resolution include clauses allowing nations to restrict speech if it is likely to cause a 'breech of the peace' or some other such rubbish?

[Kenmoria]

While we agree with the sentiment that hate speech is protected free speech unless it includes a direct incitement to violence, this is already covered by GAR#436. There is no need to complicate matters any further. GenSec will see to it that it is marked as illegal for duplication.

Doesn't that resolution include clauses allowing nations to restrict speech if it is likely to cause a 'breech of the peace' or some other such rubbish?

(OOC: Yes, the resolution makes an exception for ‘an incitement to violence or widespread lawlessness’, as well as seven other categories, which would make something prohibiting restrictions on those contradiction.)

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Doesn't that resolution include clauses allowing nations to restrict speech if it is likely to cause a 'breech of the peace' or some other such rubbish?

(OOC: Yes, the resolution makes an exception for ‘an incitement to violence or widespread lawlessness’, as well as seven other categories, which would make something prohibiting restrictions on those contradiction.)

Gods, it looks like I'll have to finally write a resolution.