OOC Thread for LGBT Protestors Attacked by Government Forces

[Ardoki]

It's probably best I leave then.

Sorry to New Edom for messing things up.

[Kylarnatia]

Just some advice for you guys in future: If you have problems with another player in the roleplay, best to bring it up with the OP, providing reasons as to why it is a problem and then allowing them to take it from there. Either that or as has been said, ignore them in your own engagement, but if you're doing that then keep it between yourselves and stop talking about said players openly as if they can't read what you're writing about them. That is what invites messy and quite frankly mundane loldrama into roleplays, and is if nothing else rather petty.

Apologies for the fact that I've still not been able to make a new post yet. A combination of real life and other NS-related commitments have kept me rather tied down. The new increased volume of posts also means I have some catching up to do.

[Solisian Union]

Just some advice for you guys in future: If you have problems with another player in the roleplay, best to bring it up with the OP, providing reasons as to why it is a problem and then allowing them to take it from there. Either that or as has been said, ignore them in your own engagement, but if you're doing that then keep it between yourselves and stop talking about said players openly as if they can't read what you're writing about them. That is what invites messy and quite frankly mundane loldrama into roleplays, and is if nothing else rather petty.

Apologies for the fact that I've still not been able to make a new post yet. A combination of real life and other NS-related commitments have kept me rather tied down. The new increased volume of posts also means I have some catching up to do.

My apologies as well! I hope I didn't offend you or Ardoki too much. I was only wondering about him and I was surprised myself. I heard from my friends so I thought it was sorta okay to talk about it.

[Common Territories]

I strongly hope Ardoki won't go to war with New Edom over this. This is becoming so tense.

Ardoki has never invaded anyone*, ever.

*Aanglandia can't really be included.

Eh?

Why not?

And why are you such an aggressive nation? >.<

Well, Aanglandia is a puppet of mine.

Having a fleet patrol international waters is hardly aggressive. But, I might scrap that plan if people are actually serious about sinking fleets in international waters. I don't want a war, since I don't think my country would do very well in it. So my country's leaders will do their best to avoid all military action.

Well that's a big fat stinking lie if I ever saw one. And yes, I/we in Imperion are serious about sinking your fleet. You threatened the conquest of a member and we see your fleet as nothing more than an invasion force - as we have stated to anyone else sending fleets not in support of New Edom. But since you have now left the thread, that's another plot line dead and burried

[New Aeyariss]

Okay. If you guys let me throw in a few cents. Honestly, OOC thread is not the best place to argue about IC matters, and I would like to keep it that way.

I absolutely don't mind anyone - including people I had tense relationships in the past, like Ardoki or Brytene - posting here as long as certain level of cooperation is upheld in the OOC field. RPs are, by their nature, cooperative activity, and even taking losses requires a level of cooperation from the other side. So if Ardoki wants to stay here, he is welcome to do so - but IC wise, Ardokian government should think of means that could be used to deal with the situation that don't include military means and focus on them. There are a lot of them actually and they are not anything complex - and I will be eager to give a few suggestions if someone is in need of that.

By moving military assets, one has to acknowledge all that comes with move of those assets - including possibility of them being sunk. It has to be noted that within the IC framework, sinking of such a fleet would not have been something that would not make sense. First, New Edom and it's allies have the homeland advantage, second it's a massive coalition of nations. Add to that the fact that Ardoki is a nation that, in the past, managed to unite Cuscatlan and Guadalupador against itself (just after Cuscatlanis massacred Dorians) is enough to conclude that not a lot of nations would be willing to die for Ardoki. Nifonese government, on the other hand, would be seeing Ardokian expansion as a major threat to it's own interests, considering all the strategic value of Edomite oil to Nifonese economy. In addition to that, a preemptive strike on the assets there may lead to swift tactical victory for pro-Edomite coalitions, and enough fatalities may be enough to convince the public opinions of those countries that an eventual escalation is not in their interests, putting pressure on the government.

Montenburg, for example, is doing a good job of how you can attempt to influence the international environment without use of hard power, even if it's current strategy is likely bound to yield little results, as New Edom has stable trade partners in from of likes of yours truly Nifon or even Shraileeni, for which Edomite oil will matter more than Edom's internal politics.

If you people want, we may return to the mode of RPing from early pages of this thread, where emphasis was far more on diplomacy, than on warfare, though I will not disdain a good war RP.

[Vionna-Frankenlisch]

Right, I hope to get a post out today or tomorrow. I should like to ask what I need to reply to, I'm aware of most things but I'd like people to tell me here all the same, just so I'm completely aware. The situation at present is quite the mess and the Imperial government is essentially paralysed by the wounding of the King and the absence of the PM, however, I hope to clear things up in the next post or two. Thanks.

[New Aeyariss]

You know what, I have a suggestion.

Instead of sending fleets, what about a Gaza Aid Flotilla style event? A group of civilian fleet packed with hot headed activists, carrying "humanitarian aid" to "oppressed minorities" of New Edom.

Of course the coalition does not want it to pass, and so we will witness a raid.

[Montenbourg]

I propose to create a map in https://atwar-game.com/

And roleplay our strategies there.

[Montenbourg]

You know what, I have a suggestion.

Instead of sending fleets, what about a Gaza Aid Flotilla style event? A group of civilian fleet packed with hot headed activists, carrying "humanitarian aid" to "oppressed minorities" of New Edom.

Of course the coalition does not want it to pass, and so we will witness a raid.

Montenbourg endorse this action under a coalition with other nations such as Ardoki and ours too.

[Montenbourg]

I propose the creation of a map at https://atwar-game.com/

For the Roleplaying purposes.

My user: Montenbourg

[New Edom]

Hey everyone, sorry but I'm dealing with midterm stuff as well as a root canal right now. I didn't want to sprint ahead as well.

1. I will start catching up to posts tomorrow.

2. Regarding maps: there is already a regional map. Do people need other maps?

3. As I've said before, I don't mind tensions, but let's try to play realistically and not rush for war. Diplomacy makes far more sense at this stage, though I think no one should retcon. Showing the flag could make sense.


4. The only players I have personally found objectionable so far are the one liners, which I will ignore unless they spam up the thread.

I actually think the posters in the majority have been very civil and are writing well.

[Shazbotdom]

I propose the creation of a map at https://atwar-game.com/

For the Roleplaying purposes.

My user: Montenbourg

I would rather not.


Some of us post when is available to our time-frames, and some of us can post every couple days or so. I would rather keep the freeform roleplay element of this conflict within the NS Forums.

[Ghant]

I interpreted the Ardokian messages as diplomatic tactics. The first one, IIRC, listed a series of "demands" that the Edomites would likely find outrageous. That's the point, to see if the Edomites would respond meekly or firmly. It makes sense, because if a reasonably powerful nation can successfully intimidate other nations, it lends strength to the former nation's cause. Power isn't necessarily concentrated where it actually is, but where people think it is. If people "think" that Ardoki is powerful because it sends out strong and aggressive demands at the onset, then that would appear successful.

Therefore I think that Ardoki's work in this thread thus far has been fine, exceptional in fact, and by no means having been done in bad faith. I think it would be highly disingenuous for anyone to OOCly intimidate him from leaving the thread, because I'd like to explore roleplaying opportunities with him in this thread (presumably the OP feels the same way, based upon previously held conversations with him).

[New Aeyariss]

I interpreted the Ardokian messages as diplomatic tactics. The first one, IIRC, listed a series of "demands" that the Edomites would likely find outrageous. That's the point, to see if the Edomites would respond meekly or firmly. It makes sense, because if a reasonably powerful nation can successfully intimidate other nations, it lends strength to the former nation's cause. Power isn't necessarily concentrated where it actually is, but where people think it is. If people "think" that Ardoki is powerful because it sends out strong and aggressive demands at the onset, then that would appear successful.

Therefore I think that Ardoki's work in this thread thus far has been fine, exceptional in fact, and by no means having been done in bad faith. I think it would be highly disingenuous for anyone to OOCly intimidate him from leaving the thread, because I'd like to explore roleplaying opportunities with him in this thread (presumably the OP feels the same way, based upon previously held conversations with him).

IC wise though, exactly opposite is the case. Nifonese would be likely seeing it's opponent as a colossus based on legs of clay, and international pariah that managed to unite worst enemies against itself a certain time ago. Add to that a history of mass slaughters perpetuated by Ardokian government and it's enough to warrant a Kairyu shadowing the Ardokian naval force at least since it's entry into vicinity of Cornellia. From there it's a straight path to escalation. Not to mention that a while ago Inyursta struck Ardokian mainland with cruise missiles, and done so with complete impunity.

A swift, decessive naval victory over some nation's means of projecting power within the region may actually give someone a full edge on the diplomatic table.

That said though, there is no damage done to Ardoki's position in this RP, and I highly encourage him to fully take part in this RP as long as this does not turn into a repeat of our last RP together. As far as I remember, the threat to send the carrier group was exactly that - a threat, which does not need to be acted upon, and we can easily continue the storyline with the conference Ardoki plans to set up, and more wreid Moriarty songs.

On the other hand, when deploying a naval task force to foreign waters - one must take into account the consequence. So Ardoki would need to ask himself, what does the Ardokian government even intend to gain - and is it worth the risk? IC wise, I am Rping Nifon as so dedicated to Edom because Nifon, on it's own, has no natural resources and it's energy security is highly connected to friendly relations with New Edom, from which Nifon obtains oil at cheap price, which is why the Shogunate will go to extreme lengths to defend it's ally.

To sum it up and for everyone involved, I am leaving here a guide on foreign policy which you are free to use: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=401366&hilit=Guide

[Guadalupador]

As it’s been said before it’s all up to the OP of the thread. I’m just hoping that everything goes by smoothly.

[Montenbourg]

I propose the creation of a map at https://atwar-game.com/

For the Roleplaying purposes.

My user: Montenbourg

I would rather not.


Some of us post when is available to our time-frames, and some of us can post every couple days or so. I would rather keep the freeform roleplay element of this conflict within the NS Forums.

There are maps that can last days

[Shazbotdom]

I would rather not.


Some of us post when is available to our time-frames, and some of us can post every couple days or so. I would rather keep the freeform roleplay element of this conflict within the NS Forums.

There are maps that can last days

I would still rather not. We don't need anything like that website to properly RP.

At best, you linking that website is a ridiculous idea. At worst, it is advertising another game, which is against the rules on NationStates.

[The Shrailleeni Empire]

As Edom said, there is a regional map for the Cornellian Empire region. It should be sufficient to locate all territories and forces.

[Vionna-Frankenlisch]

Posted replying to Cossack, will do another soon on other happenings.

[Lanorth]

I am writing a post about the Tyronian Military launching an 'ultrasonic anti-ballistic missile', which is used by Russia.
This is proof that it is used by the Russians.
The post is designed to increase tensions, which will make quite a few nations worried if they end up going to war with Lanorth. I look forward to your reactions, once the pos is up.

[Common Territories]

I am writing a post about the Tyronian Military launching an 'ultrasonic anti-ballistic missile', which is used by Russia.
This is proof that it is used by the Russians.
The post is designed to increase tensions, which will make quite a few nations worried if they end up going to war with Lanorth. I look forward to your reactions, once the pos is up.

As far as I've heard, this missile is still very much in its prototype stage of design. I've not been able to find anything about it, but all I could find in my quick search (im busy atm) is the fear mongering over it and propaganda; your news article/source fits into the latter field. Prior to this I never really looked into it because all that was available when I looked then were those two examples. If someone could provide better resources I'll happily look into it later, but for right now it's very much a prototype weapon system that's not ready for fielding. Least that's how I feel about it. It's up to Edom if he wants to allow it since it's his thread.

And just for the record, this wont make us in Imperion worry one bit. But that's just our collective view on the entire situation.

[Lanorth]

As far as I've heard, this missile is still very much in its prototype stage of design. I've not been able to find anything about it, but all I could find in my quick search (im busy atm) is the fear mongering over it and propaganda; your news article/source fits into the latter field. Prior to this I never really looked into it because all that was available when I looked then were those two examples. If someone could provide better resources I'll happily look into it later, but for right now it's very much a prototype weapon system that's not ready for fielding. Least that's how I feel about it. It's up to Edom if he wants to allow it since it's his thread.

And just for the record, this wont make us in Imperion worry one bit. But that's just our collective view on the entire situation.

Fair enough. I have put up the post, I look forward to see if Edom will accept it. I did, in the title, class it as a test-launch, so it is technically still in development. We will soon find out if it will be voided or not.

[New Aeyariss]

I would also like to add that we know nothing of the missile itself, namely we have no idea about it's flight profile. For a target moving at a ballistic altitude, Mach 8 isn't anything extraordinary.It would have been a major threat -and even most likely cause a revolution in military affairs - if the missile flies at cruise profile, but we don't have evidence to confirm it at this moment.

At this point, mach 8 is not that much for an ABM considering that ICBMs move at Mach 24, and medium ranged missiles pull Mach 10 without problems

[Lanorth]

It will probably be voided if I am being honest.

[New Aeyariss]

It will probably be voided if I am being honest.

You don't need it to be . Just turn it into a test of a prototype of a hypersonic ballistic weapon and we are clear.