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What separates your god from mine?

Postby Hammer Britannia » Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:59 pm

I've seen many arguments for their religion ranging from Hindus to Christians, all of which claim that the universe was created by a deity and because the universe would be impossible without a deity, their is one named *Insert their religion here*. Now while I do believe they bring up some good points, something has always bugged me about it... the end. Why exactly does this intelligent deity need to be your god in particular?

For the record, this is not why you believe in a deity. I don't care about that. I'm questioning why you believe in the deity(ies). What separates your one particular religion from all the "false" ones?

I'm personally a Greek "Pagan" because... well... faith mostly. There was no great revelation where Zeus himself talked to me in a dream, or I prayed to Poseidon for my ship to not crash during a bad storm and the storm subsided (Though, the Gods really don't work like that, they're way more chaotic). I ask again though, what separates your god(s) from mine?
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:07 pm

Hammer Britannia wrote:I've seen many arguments for their religion ranging from Hindus to Christians, all of which claim that the universe was created by a deity and because the universe would be impossible without a deity, their is one named *Insert their religion here*. Now while I do believe they bring up some good points, something has always bugged me about it... the end. Why exactly does this intelligent deity need to be your god in particular?

For the record, this is not why you believe in a deity. I don't care about that. I'm questioning why you believe in the deity(ies). What separates your one particular religion from all the "false" ones?

I'm personally a Greek "Pagan" because... well... faith mostly. There was no great revelation where Zeus himself talked to me in a dream, or I prayed to Poseidon for my ship to not crash during a bad storm and the storm subsided (Though, the Gods really don't work like that, they're way more chaotic). I ask again though, what separates your god(s) from mine?

To answer that question, you really have to look more into comparative religion than can be covered in a forum post. You could read hundreds of apologetic works from every tradition and still not even scratch the surface. If you want a good reading list, I'd select works from the "further reading" in Huston Smith's The World's Religions/The Religions of Man. There's no PDF online, but you can find it used or new on amazon for not very much, and it's very much worth the read.

I don't really expect to convince others with it, but what convinced me was the stories of the apostles' martyrdoms. They were all given the chance to recant of their beliefs before their deaths, but they didn't, and they were the ones in the best position to know whether what Christ said was true. It strikes me as very unlikely that all of them would continue to hold to it even after it became detrimental to them to hold to it.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:09 pm

My god does next to nothing and my religion openly admits we don’t know definite answers to anything
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Postby Karu Nadu » Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:09 pm

Which one?

God can be multiple people, or just one person.

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:16 pm

Well for one, I don't have a god. Allah SWT does not not belong to anyone, we belong to Allah SWT.

As for why I believe in Allah SWT specifically over others, well, idk for certain. I just do. And I'm not sure if it's something I can explain clearly.
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Postby The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:19 pm

My God wasn’t born by being vomited up from a murder and doesn’t have an absurdly terrible family. He also doesn’t have hundreds of wifes including his sister and hasn’t repeatedly threatened all of humanity with lightning bolts. Besides that, nothing but tons of messed up things Zeus did in the myths. That’s not counting many other ‘gods’ in Greek myths. I have to give it to the ancient Greeks though. The Bible is boring while their far fetched tales are actually fun to read. Your stories do not set any plausible or favorable information about deities, but it does give an insight into what Greek civilization was at the time and is an important piece of culture worth preserving in books.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:22 pm

Can your god do this?

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Yeah didnt think so. Sigmar is my godly broski
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Postby Toklax » Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:25 pm

The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:The Bible is boring


Pillars of fire, burning bushes, angry mobs, people turning into salt, a baby almost got cut in half, the entirety of Revelation, water turns to blood... IDK, man, I think the Bible's got some crazy stuff in it. Is there another religious book where God gets the munchies and literally curses out a tree, then turns it into a lesson?

(edited bc I forgot to capitalize "Revelation")
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Postby Major-Tom » Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:27 pm

My god fucking shreds it with the guitar.

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Postby Eodor » Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:29 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:Can your god do this?

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Yeah didnt think so. Sigmar is my godly broski

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:30 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:Can your god do this?

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Yeah didnt think so. Sigmar is my godly broski


Sigmar is actually shit and killed WHFB :^]

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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:34 pm

Isn’t the Abrahamic God the same across all Abrahamic religions?

I’m pretty sure that God, Yawheh and Allah are the same damn entity.

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Postby Metamen » Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:34 pm

"My God is the Sun. If the Sun wasn't around we would all be dead. The Sun doesn't demand sacrifices, because it's a Star. The Sun doesn't demand we burn the Heretics, because it's a STAR. The Sun does not judge people, because it's a STAR. The Sun is always there because it's a STAR.

So in general. PRAISE THE SUN!"

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Postby The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:36 pm

Toklax wrote:
Pillars of fire, burning bushes, angry mobs, people turning into salt, a baby almost got cut in half, the entirety of Revelation, water turns to blood... IDK, man, I think the Bible's got some crazy stuff in it. Is there another religious book where God gets the munchies and literally curses out a tree, then turns it into a lesson?

(edited bc I forgot to capitalize "Revelation")

It’s written boring while you can read Greek myths in the simpler form. You can’t just read the Bible but it’s meant to be entertaining.
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Postby The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:37 pm

Metamen wrote:"My God is the Sun. If the Sun wasn't around we would all be dead. The Sun doesn't demand sacrifices, because it's a Star. The Sun doesn't demand we burn the Heretics, because it's a STAR. The Sun does not judge people, because it's a STAR. The Sun is always there because it's a STAR.

So in general. PRAISE THE SUN!"

-OOC

Maybe we could make a religion cult out of this.
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Cossack Khanate wrote:This shall forever be known as World War Sh*t: Newark Aggression. Now if I see one more troop deployed, I will call on the force of all the Hindu gods to reverse time and wipe your race of the face of the planet. Cease.

The Black Party wrote:(TBP kamikaze's into all 99999999999 nukes before they hit our territory because we just have that many pilots ready to die for dah blak regime, we also counter-attack into your nation with our entire population of 45 million because this RP allows it.)

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Galatic Liberal Democracy short-circuits all of NS with FACTS and LOGIC

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Postby Eodor » Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:38 pm

The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:
Metamen wrote:"My God is the Sun. If the Sun wasn't around we would all be dead. The Sun doesn't demand sacrifices, because it's a Star. The Sun doesn't demand we burn the Heretics, because it's a STAR. The Sun does not judge people, because it's a STAR. The Sun is always there because it's a STAR.

So in general. PRAISE THE SUN!"

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Maybe we could make a religion cult out of this.

The Sun is a deadly lazer...
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Postby Toklax » Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:39 pm

Eodor wrote:
The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:Maybe we could make a religion cult out of this.

The Sun is a deadly lazer...

If you have a really big magnifying glass.
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Postby The Caleshan Valkyrie » Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:39 pm

Eodor wrote:
The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:Maybe we could make a religion cult out of this.

The Sun is a deadly lazer...


But now there’s a blanket!
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:40 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:Isn’t the Abrahamic God the same across all Abrahamic religions?

I’m pretty sure that God, Yawheh and Allah are the same damn entity.

They all say it's the same, but they have different conceptions of the same being.
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Postby Rea » Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:42 pm

Hammer Britannia wrote:I've seen many arguments for their religion ranging from Hindus to Christians, all of which claim that the universe was created by a deity and because the universe would be impossible without a deity, their is one named *Insert their religion here*. Now while I do believe they bring up some good points, something has always bugged me about it... the end. Why exactly does this intelligent deity need to be your god in particular?

For the record, this is not why you believe in a deity. I don't care about that. I'm questioning why you believe in the deity(ies). What separates your one particular religion from all the "false" ones?

I'm personally a Greek "Pagan" because... well... faith mostly. There was no great revelation where Zeus himself talked to me in a dream, or I prayed to Poseidon for my ship to not crash during a bad storm and the storm subsided (Though, the Gods really don't work like that, they're way more chaotic). I ask again though, what separates your god(s) from mine?


The great revelation you speak of.

I had a great revelation, I experienced something miraculous. That's not why I chose my faith but it's what strengthened it considerably and perpetuates it in my day to day life.

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Postby Major-Tom » Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:44 pm

The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:
Metamen wrote:"My God is the Sun. If the Sun wasn't around we would all be dead. The Sun doesn't demand sacrifices, because it's a Star. The Sun doesn't demand we burn the Heretics, because it's a STAR. The Sun does not judge people, because it's a STAR. The Sun is always there because it's a STAR.

So in general. PRAISE THE SUN!"

-OOC

Maybe we could make a religion cult out of this.


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Postby Metamen » Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:45 pm

The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:
Metamen wrote:"My God is the Sun. If the Sun wasn't around we would all be dead. The Sun doesn't demand sacrifices, because it's a Star. The Sun doesn't demand we burn the Heretics, because it's a STAR. The Sun does not judge people, because it's a STAR. The Sun is always there because it's a STAR.

So in general. PRAISE THE SUN!"

-OOC

Maybe we could make a religion cult out of this.

Your choice to praise the Sun is truly a step in the right direction!

But please don't double post!

Going further on the tangent of the Sun as being the best object of worship.

The Sun has no chosen people because we are all the byproduct of it or at least one of its brethren and even we tried to attest a chosen people we could never gain validity because the Sun cannot speak cause again. IT'S-A STAR. Science cannot prove our God does not exist because they have already proven our God Exists.

In all seriousness, there are no downsides or upsides to Praising the Sun... unless you have a skin condition.
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Postby Wunderstrafanstalt » Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:50 pm

Birth, repeated tradition and ritual, daily miracles/bad luck that happens. I've also been trying to find a scientific debunk of my faith's holy scriptures, but it is vague enough that it's quite difficult to point a glaring hole.

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:Isn’t the Abrahamic God the same across all Abrahamic religions?

I’m pretty sure that God, Yawheh and Allah are the same damn entity.


While I don't know about the other two, muslims believe that Moses and Jesus/Isa are muslims, or at least a Tauhid-ic religion who prayed to Allah Swt., but their teaching has been distorted as time passes.

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