Are you satisfied with how your nation has turned out?

by **Ghost Land** » Sun Feb 10, 2019 6:22 am

Basically, what do you want your nation to be like, where is it now, and how does it compare? Do you run it according to your own views and find it matches up perfectly, or were you going for centre-right libertarian and wound up Iron Fist Consumerists?

This nation was intended to be a crazy Psychotic Dictatorship, which it is, with 8800 MilliStalins and very high corruption, law enforcement, secularism, and a huge military, but with good welfare programs and misguided, yet fierce, environmentalists in government. Basically I was going for the exact opposite of my political views, and it seems to be going pretty well in that direction. 60s Music, on the other hand, was supposed to be run in accordance with my views, though it hasn't been turning out that way, becoming a rather bland New York Times Democracy that fails at everything except primitiveness, pizza, and religiousness.

I created four puppets in the past month trying to get the Benevolent Dictatorship classification; I got it on the fourth try as Utopia 1987 (shout out to Vivolkha for his totally rad guide), though that nation itself isn't quite ideal, being poor as heck and having a crippling crime problem, though I'm scared to answer issues on it for fear that the classification would get messed up and it would become a Father Knows Best State or, worse yet, Psychotic Dictatorship. The BD classification has a cool name and civil/economic/political combination, though its canned description also seems to be bordering on the negative, with the "populist sham for a dictatorship government that has no intention of giving up power" part. So I'm still trying to get what I would consider the "perfect" NS nation.

What about you? Is your Left-wing Utopia going as intended, or did you shoot for Anarchy and end up a Compulsory Consumerist State?

by **Trinadaed** » Sun Feb 10, 2019 6:05 pm

I hate the high tax rate.

by **The Galactic Liberal Democracy** » Sun Feb 10, 2019 6:07 pm

Trinadaed wrote:I hate the high tax rate.

Same, but other wise my stats are okayish. What sucks is that I’m trying to have a sci fi nation while I get no issues that can improve this.

by **Vando0sa** » Sun Feb 10, 2019 7:15 pm

I want anarchy or benevolent dictatorship.. those are too hard to get..

by **Ghost Land** » Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:46 pm

Vando0sa wrote:I want anarchy or benevolent dictatorship.. those are too hard to get..

I know of an easy way to get both of those:

Go to the "create a nation" page, then click either "Libertarian" or "Anarchic" preset. Ignore all questions. You'll end up with an Anarchy.
Go to the "create a nation" page, then click either "Libertarian" or "Anarchic" preset. Ignore all questions except for #7: "Without democracy, a country has nothing." Answer "Strongly Disagree". You'll end up with a Benevolent Dictatorship, as can be seen on my puppet Utopia 1987.

High tax rate seems to be a common problem people are having; I heard there's an issue that allows you to get rid of income tax entirely, though I'm not sure which one it is or what other economic effects it would have. Is it possible to disband government altogether, as can be seen in the glitched nation of hoppe?

Sadly I don't think my personal utopia can be created on NS (Benevolent Dictatorship or Capitalizt but without the crippling income inequality or high crime rate, and with good health and HDI but low tax rate).

by **Xize Tirten** » Mon Feb 11, 2019 6:17 pm

Eh... this one's alright.
I do have a particular puppet that I'm liking so far. I don't really fancy that it's capitalist, but If it goes socialist I'd probably lose its economy.

Most of my issue with this one isn't that I'm not getting policies I want, but rather that I'm getting uninteresting issues. Most of the issues that would enact policies (ironically, the ones I want on here) have been going to the puppet I mentioned. This nation is also a ton more militant than I wanted it to be, but cutting back on the military and arms manufacturing would damage the economy at this point. Things are getting pretty stagnant on this one, which was not as intended seeing as I wanted a very dynamic, ever-changing socialist utopia.
I do have another puppet that I was going to build to anarchy, (or possibly Capitalizt or Free Market Paradise, since I want it to contrast my other puppets) but it went from Civil Rights Lovefest to Liberal Democratic Socialists.

by **New Excalibus** » Mon Feb 11, 2019 6:19 pm

Certainly. I managed to make a small (for NS standards) while efficient nation.

by **Ghost Land** » Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:51 am

Xize Tirten wrote:Eh... this one's alright.
I do have a particular puppet that I'm liking so far. I don't really fancy that it's capitalist, but If it goes socialist I'd probably lose its economy.

Most of my issue with this one isn't that I'm not getting policies I want, but rather that I'm getting uninteresting issues. Most of the issues that would enact policies (ironically, the ones I want on here) have been going to the puppet I mentioned. This nation is also a ton more militant than I wanted it to be, but cutting back on the military and arms manufacturing would damage the economy at this point. Things are getting pretty stagnant on this one, which was not as intended seeing as I wanted a very dynamic, ever-changing socialist utopia.
I do have another puppet that I was going to build to anarchy, (or possibly Capitalizt or Free Market Paradise, since I want it to contrast my other puppets) but it went from Civil Rights Lovefest to Liberal Democratic Socialists.

Not necessarily - this nation of mine is proof of that, with an entirely state-planned economy and almost no economic freedom, but a 95-point economy and an average income of $132K. It's called "have the state subsidize everything and ban everything else".

Hopefully you can rescue that other puppet from the Liberal Democratic Socialists classification, though. Free-Market Paradise is one of the least common types in the game; out of over 160,000 nations there are only a few hundred FMPs. You have to have high economic and political freedoms while keeping civil rights low. I always find it cool when I come across a nation that is one of these six least common types, so good luck!

by **Kandorith** » Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:23 pm

Not entirely, still waiting to get the issue to free up the markets and establish a monarchy. I'll just keep hoping!

by **The Benevolent Nation of Winterland** » Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:40 pm

Ghost Land wrote:this nation of mine is proof of that, with an entirely state-planned economy and almost no economic freedom, but a 95-point economy and an average income of $132K. It's called "have the state subsidize everything and ban everything else".

Mine is where I'm happy with it. A Scandinavian Liberal Paradise with economy pinned at 100, Political Freedom at 71, and Civil Rights fluctuating between 83 and 93 (there are a couple of questions that I tend to answer "wrong" because I think their outcomes are incorrect and I always forget them). 100% tax rate, government and state-owned industry with private enterprise illegal, economic freedom hovering between -80 and -90 for the last 2.5 years (currently world rank in the bottom 8%... which makes it sound like a bad thing - the game does show its bias sometimes

)

Interesting discussion about the benevolent dictatorship... A former Canadian Prime Minister wrote a paper, years before he was PM, called "Our Benign Dictatorship". He wasn't exactly decrying such a state, but acknowledging it and explaining how to game that system to his advantage... which he did with cold efficiency over the ensuing decade before he won and became that which he described in his paper. (You can find it online on scribd if you search the title, if you care to.)

free-market · by **VoVoDoCo** » Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:15 pm

I love my nation. I started off as an Anarchy, so my crime rate is a touch high. But I report high levels of cheerfulness, freedom, and human development. I got a high human development score with a largely market oriented economy and low taxes.

I pulled off a pretty decent nation. Worth a look at probably.

by **Destructive Government Economic System** » Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:17 pm

Sure

I still want top 10 in law enforcement and 0.1% dying of old age though

by **LiberNovusAmericae** » Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:42 pm

Destructive Government Economic System wrote:Sure

I still want top 10 in law enforcement and 0.1% dying of old age though

I can safely say that if your nation was real, I would not want to live there

I'm mostly fine with how my nation came out. I just wish I could lower corruption while still siding with the free market.

by **Ghost Land** » Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:53 pm

The Benevolent Nation of Winterland wrote:
Ghost Land wrote:this nation of mine is proof of that, with an entirely state-planned economy and almost no economic freedom, but a 95-point economy and an average income of $132K. It's called "have the state subsidize everything and ban everything else".

Mine is where I'm happy with it. A Scandinavian Liberal Paradise with economy pinned at 100, Political Freedom at 71, and Civil Rights fluctuating between 83 and 93 (there are a couple of questions that I tend to answer "wrong" because I think their outcomes are incorrect and I always forget them). 100% tax rate, government and state-owned industry with private enterprise illegal, economic freedom hovering between -80 and -90 for the last 2.5 years (currently world rank in the bottom 8%... which makes it sound like a bad thing - the game does show its bias sometimes )

Interesting discussion about the benevolent dictatorship... A former Canadian Prime Minister wrote a paper, years before he was PM, called "Our Benign Dictatorship". He wasn't exactly decrying such a state, but acknowledging it and explaining how to game that system to his advantage... which he did with cold efficiency over the ensuing decade before he won and became that which he described in his paper. (You can find it online on scribd if you search the title, if you care to.)

Well, to me economic freedom that low would be very much a bad thing

VoVoDoCo wrote:I love my nation. I started off as an Anarchy, so my crime rate is a touch high. But I report high levels of cheerfulness, freedom, and human development. I got a high human development score with a largely market oriented economy and low taxes.

I pulled off a pretty decent nation. Worth a look at probably.

Crime rate in the top 5% of the world = "a touch" high?

Other than that and the super-high scientific advancement, your nation doesn't seem bad at all. I'd certainly love to have $179K in disposable income!

As I've said, this nation is pretty darn close to where I expected it to be, but 60s Music, my WA nation I created with the intent of running it in accordance with my own views, has failed miserably.

I'm glad to see that this thread has become a hit - I'd like to see as wide of a range of responses as possible!

by **New Rogernomics** » Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:31 pm

Absolutely, as it is a socialist paradise with a 99% tax rate, which flies in the face of it's namesake's real life economic/political ideology.

by **Beyrle** » Sat Feb 16, 2019 1:39 pm

Not at all. Disgustingly high tax rate, also having both socialism and slavery at the same time.

by **Imperial States America** » Sat Feb 16, 2019 1:41 pm

I am and I am not because I have yet to be the top for most primitive I am around 130-136 level

by **Ghost Land** » Sun Feb 17, 2019 5:03 am

Beyrle wrote:Not at all. Disgustingly high tax rate, also having both socialism and slavery at the same time.

Hey, I have a disgustingly high tax rate, socialism, and slavery too!

Either way, though, that sounds like a disgusting combination of stats, not the type of place I'd like to live in!

by **Bezkoshtovnya** » Sun Feb 17, 2019 5:06 am

For the most part, I have basically run into the point with this nation however where I am done answering issues because I am afraid of messing up my stats and instead focus on factbooks and stuff with this one, while using a puppet to focus entirely on issues with.

by **Adamgama** » Sun Feb 17, 2019 5:11 am

I really like how this nation is progressing, though I had a little setback a while ago: I accidentally removed theocracy. But it won't happen again because I now have this: http://www.mwq.dds.nl/ns/results/
Has really helped me with some issues. I don't use it with my other nations because it kind of takes away some of the fun.

by **Bluelight-R006** » Sun Feb 17, 2019 5:18 am

My nation is supposed to be a Benevolent Dictatorship, not an Anarchy.
My nation is supposed to be crime-free, not high in crime.
My nation is supposed to have no tax rates (no taxes), not the 14%-16% it flickers between.
My nation is supposed to have an infinite & uncountable population, not one that can be counted.
And most shockingly and importantly, my nation is supposed to be a perfect and peaceful, not be in total government/leadership corruption and chaos.

My nation isn’t going fine on NSstats, and I’m not satisfied. I hate how every nation comes to my front page without looking at the factbooks and immediately accuse me of being a corrupt nation!

by **Valentine Z** » Sun Feb 17, 2019 5:23 am

The answer is indeed a resounding yes for the nations that I am currently building.

I am disappointed that I kept giving people Civil Rights for Samantha-Higgs, because hey, that's a dictatorship!

Other than that, everything is in order, and even if most RPers don't use NS Stats, I do for the most of my nations, and I am proud of my badges.

Valentine Z is a total reflection of how I imagined my version of an utopia, though Left-Wing wasn't exactly it. If anything... call us Centrists, or that we Valentians don't really give a damn about politics that much, anyway.

by **EldrichVoid1-3** » Sun Feb 17, 2019 5:27 am

Actually going off NS stats for once since it reflects more of if how I'd run a nation. Ignoring my factbooks here because they barely even exist.
Overall, I'd say I'm mostly satisfied, which is an odd thing for me to say. I achieved one of my three main goals, the one goal I did complete was getting civil rights maxed out. My other two goals, getting top 1% for environmental beauty and maxing out political freedoms, have yet to be obtained. In fact, I seem to be consistently messing up EldrichVoid's political freedoms, which begins the problems I have with this nation.

Asides from my inability to not drop political freedoms every now and again, I have an issue with the taxation. Not much of a fan of "much higher for the wealthy" as 40% is already pretty questionable in my eyes. My attempt at fixing this before was rather careless and was more of an axe everything approach, which resulted in putting me behind in one of my main goals. Perhaps I should be more careful in my next approach. The crime is, of course, an issue, however I've simply came to accept this as I don't believe I can adress this effectively without EldrichVoid's civil rights getting hit somehow. At the very least, on average, people own an arsenal of weapons, which is the best part of EldrichVoid's stats in my opinion.

I wouldn't mind living in this nation as my two big issues would be what I just described. Of course, nothing is perfect in reality and I'd see this as a trade off for having such freedoms. Can't forget the lack of a military though. So, who knows how long I could enjoy life in EldrichVoid.

A few final, non-stat related notes. I like the flag I made for this nation, even if it doesn't have much of a meaning, yet. I am also not at all proud of my factbooks as they are the result of my laziness. Perhaps if I ever do actually roleplay with this nation and not just see at as to see how badly a nation would turn out if "lead" by me, then I'll may actually make the factbooks worth reading.

Edit: In this ramble, I forgot to say what I wanted this nation to be. Good job.

My vision for this nation was for a land of extensive freedoms and jungles with people who kept mostly out of international affairs. I'd say I've meet this goal, except for political and economic freedoms. Hopefully I'll fix political freedoms soons and our record with businesses has never been kind.

by **Ghost Land** » Sun Feb 17, 2019 6:21 am

Valentine Z wrote:The answer is indeed a resounding yes for the nations that I am currently building.

I am disappointed that I kept giving people Civil Rights for Samantha-Higgs, because hey, that's a dictatorship!

Other than that, everything is in order, and even if most RPers don't use NS Stats, I do for the most of my nations, and I am proud of my badges.

Valentine Z is a total reflection of how I imagined my version of an utopia, though Left-Wing wasn't exactly it. If anything... call us Centrists, or that we Valentians don't really give a damn about politics that much, anyway.

Well, Samantha-Higgs is still a Psychotic Dictatorship, and it's above yours truly in corruption, so I'd say you're still doing okay.

Do you make use of tools like this site when unsure how to answer an issue? If not, count this as a recommendation; I've used it quite a bit when I want to make a stat go a certain way and it's hard to figure out which option I want to pick, as I, like many others, am also more concerned about my stats than with the result lines of each issue in isolation.

EldrichVoid1-3 wrote:Actually going off NS stats for once since it reflects more of if how I'd run a nation. Ignoring my factbooks here because they barely even exist.
Overall, I'd say I'm mostly satisfied, which is an odd thing for me to say. I achieved one of my three main goals, the one goal I did complete was getting civil rights maxed out. My other two goals, getting top 1% for environmental beauty and maxing out political freedoms, have yet to be obtained. In fact, I seem to be consistently messing up EldrichVoid's political freedoms, which begins the problems I have with this nation.

Asides from my inability to not drop political freedoms every now and again, I have an issue with the taxation. Not much of a fan of "much higher for the wealthy" as 40% is already pretty questionable in my eyes. My attempt at fixing this before was rather careless and was more of an axe everything approach, which resulted in putting me behind in one of my main goals. Perhaps I should be more careful in my next approach. The crime is, of course, an issue, however I've simply came to accept this as I don't believe I can adress this effectively without EldrichVoid's civil rights getting hit somehow. At the very least, on average, people own an arsenal of weapons, which is the best part of EldrichVoid's stats in my opinion.

I wouldn't mind living in this nation as my two big issues would be what I just described. Of course, nothing is perfect in reality and I'd see this as a trade off for having such freedoms. Can't forget the lack of a military though. So, who knows how long I could enjoy life in EldrichVoid.

A few final, non-stat related notes. I like the flag I made for this nation, even if it doesn't have much of a meaning, yet. I am also not at all proud of my factbooks as they are the result of my laziness. Perhaps if I ever do actually roleplay with this nation and not just see at as to see how badly a nation would turn out if "lead" by me, then I'll may actually make the factbooks worth reading.

Edit: In this ramble, I forgot to say what I wanted this nation to be. Good job.

My vision for this nation was for a land of extensive freedoms and jungles with people who kept mostly out of international affairs. I'd say I've meet this goal, except for political and economic freedoms. Hopefully I'll fix political freedoms soons and our record with businesses has never been kind.

40% tax rate is admittedly rather dicey, though I'm at least glad you got to max out your civil rights! As for crime, high civil rights and high crime seem to go together in NS for some weird reason, though I'd imagine funding the heck out of law enforcement would reduce it by a bit. Economic freedom and income inequality also seem to go together, which has irked me in terms of trying to build my own personal utopia, which would have an almost completely free market but without crippling income inequality.

And also, there's no rule that says you have to have factbooks; they didn't exist before 2012, so for a full ten years all factbook construction and roleplaying was done on the forums only. Most of my factbooks, of what few exist, are OOC anyway.

by **Astoriya** » Sun Feb 17, 2019 6:25 am

So far, it's been all good - this nation's supposed to reflect my real life views

However, I still don't understand why my tax rate keeps skyrocketing (53%!) - which is why I've put it as 10% in my factbook, until it decreases