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Rastafarianastan
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Authoritarian Democracy

Inaccurate Stats?

Postby Rastafarianastan » Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:43 am

Sometimes The Stats Don't Seem To Accurately Reflect The Issue And Legislation Passed. For Example, My Nation (As You Can Probably Guess From The Name) Is Meant To Be A Rastafarian Theocracy, However, For Some Reason, When I Actually Put The "Theocracy" Policy In Place, It Decreased Recreational Drug Use, Which, From My Understanding Of Rastafarian Beliefs, Should Not Happen. If There's Some Way To Change This Later On Or If There's Somewhere Better To Post This, please Tell Me, As I'm Pretty New Here.

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Ausinia
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Postby Ausinia » Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:48 am

It’s all based on a (from my understanding) random generator, I the data base cannot also know what religion you are based on the name, so it will not know, ‘hey, this guy should get higher ____ because ______.
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Postby East Lodge » Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:49 am

Earlier I had the idea of a dispatc format system, but turns out, those are just dispatches.

I guess you can use factbooks and stuff when that happens.
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The Free Joy State
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Postby The Free Joy State » Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:52 am

Please don't capitalise every word, if only for the sake of thread readers.

This first post of the Unusual Effect Thread explains this pretty well.

Basically, enforcing a mandatory religion generally lowers civil rights (there are times when that won't be true for your unique stats). Civil rights traditionally have a knock-on secondary effect on many things, including drug use. The game tends to correlate lower civil rights with lower drug use (maybe, IC'ly, it assumes your police are holding crack-downs).

Not much to be done about it. It's just how the game works.
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:36 am

I'm kind of amazed that anyone would think that the game would read the @@FAITH@@ field and then tailor stat results or each issue according to the religion you write in that fully free text field. Even if it were a choice of fixed known religions, that'd be an impressively complex bit of game design to do that for every issue in the game, and with a free text field allowing you to put anything from Zorroasstrainism (with spelling mistakes) to Ariana-Grande-Worship it'd be pretty incredible to expect the game simulation to account for that. Seriously, dude.

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Postby Trotterdam » Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:21 am

In my experience, average people seem to have a very poor grasp of how computer programming works.

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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:39 am

Trotterdam wrote:In my experience, average people seem to have a very poor grasp of how computer programming works.


So do I, to be honest. I just know how common sense works. Sometimes.
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Astoriya
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Postby Astoriya » Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:42 am

Rastafarianastan wrote:Sometimes The Stats Don't Seem To Accurately Reflect The Issue And Legislation Passed. For Example, My Nation (As You Can Probably Guess From The Name) Is Meant To Be A Rastafarian Theocracy, However, For Some Reason, When I Actually Put The "Theocracy" Policy In Place, It Decreased Recreational Drug Use, Which, From My Understanding Of Rastafarian Beliefs, Should Not Happen. If There's Some Way To Change This Later On Or If There's Somewhere Better To Post This, please Tell Me, As I'm Pretty New Here.

As far as I can guess, the stats are randomly generated

top tip - don't capitalise every word in your message :p

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Postby The Free Joy State » Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:53 am

Astoriya wrote:
Rastafarianastan wrote:Sometimes The Stats Don't Seem To Accurately Reflect The Issue And Legislation Passed. For Example, My Nation (As You Can Probably Guess From The Name) Is Meant To Be A Rastafarian Theocracy, However, For Some Reason, When I Actually Put The "Theocracy" Policy In Place, It Decreased Recreational Drug Use, Which, From My Understanding Of Rastafarian Beliefs, Should Not Happen. If There's Some Way To Change This Later On Or If There's Somewhere Better To Post This, please Tell Me, As I'm Pretty New Here.

As far as I can guess, the stats are randomly generated

top tip - don't capitalise every word in your message :p

The stats are not randomly generated. And it would be helpful if you didn't guess when you don't know.

The stats output are based on the stats programmed to the option interacting with your own pre-existing stats. Some stats are primary and some are secondary. They run according to the game's code, which might take some getting used to.

For more information, read this post.
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Postby Bears Armed » Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:30 am

Trotterdam wrote:In my experience, average people seem to have a very poor grasp of how computer programming works.

Isn't it a form of Magic? :blink:
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Postby Havarland » Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:36 am

Sorry for the offtopic since it's not about the stats, but my nation is described as:
"Havarlandians have some civil rights, but not too many, enjoy the freedom to spend their money however they like, to a point, and take part in free and open elections, although not too often." yet my civil rights are very good and people have democracy.
I used to be a democratic socialist but now that the government has changed it's not the case anymore.

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Postby Trotterdam » Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:41 am

Bears Armed wrote:Isn't it a form of Magic? :blink:
*sigh* I invoke arcane rituals from forgotten lore to defy reality itself once, and suddenly people expect me to be able to do anything.

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Postby Bears Armed » Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:45 am

Havarland wrote:Sorry for the offtopic since it's not about the stats, but my nation is described as:
"Havarlandians have some civil rights, but not too many, enjoy the freedom to spend their money however they like, to a point, and take part in free and open elections, although not too often." yet my civil rights are very good and people have democracy.
I used to be a democratic socialist but now that the government has changed it's not the case anymore.

That line is the standard description for an 'Inoffensive Centrist Democracy' such as your nation now is.
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Population = just under 20 million. Economy = only Thriving. Average Life expectancy = c.60 years. If the nation is classified as 'Anarchy' there still is a [strictly limited] national government... and those aren't "biker gangs", they're traditional cross-Clan 'Warrior Societies', generally respected rather than feared.
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Postby The Free Joy State » Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:49 am

Havarland wrote:Sorry for the offtopic since it's not about the stats, but my nation is described as:
"Havarlandians have some civil rights, but not too many, enjoy the freedom to spend their money however they like, to a point, and take part in free and open elections, although not too often." yet my civil rights are very good and people have democracy.
I used to be a democratic socialist but now that the government has changed it's not the case anymore.

Well, it's sort of based on stats.

Your nation classification is based on freedoms, and your freedoms are stat-based. The issues you answered would have -- at some point -- changed your freedoms which altered your nation classification, and the description of your nation ("Havarlandians have some civil rights, but not too many...") depends on your classification.

EDIT: Your classification will possibly change again at some point as you continue to play the game.
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Postby Havarland » Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:17 am

The Free Joy State wrote:
Havarland wrote:Sorry for the offtopic since it's not about the stats, but my nation is described as:
"Havarlandians have some civil rights, but not too many, enjoy the freedom to spend their money however they like, to a point, and take part in free and open elections, although not too often." yet my civil rights are very good and people have democracy.
I used to be a democratic socialist but now that the government has changed it's not the case anymore.

Well, it's sort of based on stats.

Your nation classification is based on freedoms, and your freedoms are stat-based. The issues you answered would have -- at some point -- changed your freedoms which altered your nation classification, and the description of your nation ("Havarlandians have some civil rights, but not too many...") depends on your classification.

EDIT: Your classification will possibly change again at some point as you continue to play the game.

Thank you very very much :)

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Rastafarianastan
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Postby Rastafarianastan » Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:34 pm

Candlewhisper Archive wrote:I'm kind of amazed that anyone would think that the game would read the @@FAITH@@ field and then tailor stat results or each issue according to the religion you write in that fully free text field. Even if it were a choice of fixed known religions, that'd be an impressively complex bit of game design to do that for every issue in the game, and with a free text field allowing you to put anything from Zorroasstrainism (with spelling mistakes) to Ariana-Grande-Worship it'd be pretty incredible to expect the game simulation to account for that. Seriously, dude.

Or As You Would Say. Seriously Dude, You Think Dat Possible?

Perhaps Some Sort Of Customisable Religion, Where You Can Pick Stats Or Things That Your Religion "Likes", And That It "Dislikes", And Your Religiousness Will Then Increase Or Decrease With Those Things Would Be Good? I Guess That Might Be Pretty Hard To Code, Though.

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Postby Rastafarianastan » Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:36 pm

The Free Joy State wrote:Please don't capitalise every word, if only for the sake of thread readers.

Nah, I'll Continue To Write However I Like. Besides If I Don't Write This Way Then I Can't Give Random Reasons That I Do Write This Way Whenever Someone Asks! Probably About Half The People I Meet (Online, That Is) Find It Annoying, And Of The Other Half Most Don't Care, While A Few (As In Atleast One) Think It Looks Nice.

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Postby Brittany Normandy Aquitaine » Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:44 pm

Rastafarianastan wrote:
The Free Joy State wrote:Please don't capitalise every word, if only for the sake of thread readers.

Nah, I'll Continue To Write However I Like. Besides If I Don't Write This Way Then I Can't Give Random Reasons That I Do Write This Way Whenever Someone Asks! Probably About Half The People I Meet (Online, That Is) Find It Annoying, And Of The Other Half Most Don't Care, While A Few (As In Atleast One) Think It Looks Nice.


I used to type all caps every word when I was like 7, 8, 9 years old, I soon realized I can't type like that as for one it is grammarly incorrect but also makes typing a lot harder having to either hit caps lock after every word or hit shift after every word, not insulting but just trying to see if you see it (only saying this because someone mentioned it earlier)

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Postby Bears Armed » Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:54 am

Rastafarianastan wrote:
The Free Joy State wrote:Please don't capitalise every word, if only for the sake of thread readers.

Nah, I'll Continue To Write However I Like. Besides If I Don't Write This Way Then I Can't Give Random Reasons That I Do Write This Way Whenever Someone Asks! Probably About Half The People I Meet (Online, That Is) Find It Annoying, And Of The Other Half Most Don't Care, While A Few (As In Atleast One) Think It Looks Nice.

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The Confrederated Clans (and other Confrederated Bodys) of the Free Bears of Bears Armed
(includes The Ursine NorthLands) Demonym = Bear[s]; adjective = ‘Urrsish’.
Population = just under 20 million. Economy = only Thriving. Average Life expectancy = c.60 years. If the nation is classified as 'Anarchy' there still is a [strictly limited] national government... and those aren't "biker gangs", they're traditional cross-Clan 'Warrior Societies', generally respected rather than feared.
Author of some GA Resolutions, via Bears Armed Mission; subject of an SC resolution.
Factbook. We have more than 70 MAPS. Visitors' Guide.
The IDU's WA Drafting Room is open to help you.
Author of issues #429, 712, 729, 934, 1120, 1152, 1474, 1521.


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