The Marconian State wrote:Hey,
This is the ambassador to the WA from The Marconian State reporting in.
The President of Maowi gives his warm regards and expresses his gratitude for your support.
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by Maowi » Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:51 pm
The Marconian State wrote:Hey,
This is the ambassador to the WA from The Marconian State reporting in.
by Libervalley » Sun Feb 10, 2019 4:06 pm
Macsenoedd wrote:Hey, Does This Law Still Apply To Me, As It States (To Paraphrase) "...If Your Nation Allows Civil Marriage..." While We Would Rather Not, And Also The Law Seems To Be About Genders, And In Our State There's Only One Recognised Human Gender: Human.
by Maowi » Sun Feb 10, 2019 4:18 pm
Libervalley wrote:The fellow delegate raises a valid point that I was about to make. Many nations like mine do not even have state recognized civil marriages but only religious and secular marriages outside of the state. From my understanding if that is the case this resolution would not apply to such a nation.
On the other hand the resolution essentially forces nations to punish non-violent private entities to act a certain way. In an effort to protect civil rights of a minority this resolution discriminates against others which amounts to no less than tyranny. We recognize the minority of the individual and provide equal rights to all. The Federation of Conservative nations will not punish our great non-violent private institutions for reasons that does not harm people and violates and intern violates our citizens right to freedom.
by Arasi Luvasa » Sun Feb 10, 2019 5:23 pm
Edwardium wrote:But what would happen if my nation makes homosexuality illegal(which it is)? I have no intention of making homosexuality legal. Would my nation be forced to change its policy?
by Ophaesia » Sun Feb 10, 2019 5:30 pm
by Libervalley » Sun Feb 10, 2019 5:39 pm
Maowi wrote:Libervalley wrote:The fellow delegate raises a valid point that I was about to make. Many nations like mine do not even have state recognized civil marriages but only religious and secular marriages outside of the state. From my understanding if that is the case this resolution would not apply to such a nation.
On the other hand the resolution essentially forces nations to punish non-violent private entities to act a certain way. In an effort to protect civil rights of a minority this resolution discriminates against others which amounts to no less than tyranny. We recognize the minority of the individual and provide equal rights to all. The Federation of Conservative nations will not punish our great non-violent private institutions for reasons that does not harm people and violates and intern violates our citizens right to freedom.
As defined in the proposal, if your Government recognises marriages which are formalised as non-religious contracts, it allows civil marriages. If marriages are solely religious affairs, you are not affected by clause 1 (although note that civil marriages with a religious ceremony stuck on are still civil marriages; it is the nature of the agreement that defines the type of marriage). And if the state doesn't recognise these secular marriages, clause 1 doesn't apply to you, but the state must ensure that whoever does provide these secular marriage services provides them to all people, as otherwise they are violating clause 3.
Also, you can discriminate without being violent. Denying someone the right to, for example, teach in a school merely because of their sexuality should be a punishable offence, as realistically, how are we going to ensure equality and get rid of discrimination?
I hope I interpreted your message correctly, please ask again if I didn't
by Libervalley » Sun Feb 10, 2019 6:17 pm
Ophaesia wrote:We, the people of Ophaesia, are a social democratic nation, but we are also scientifically-minded. The notion that a person can choose their gender is as laughable as the notion that a person can choose their species. Is that where we're headed? Will the next resolution force us to recognize the poor deluded people that call themselves otherkin and demand to be taken seriously? While there's sadly nothing in the constitution of this assembly limiting its ability to shove the agenda of any minority who's only grievance is not being taken seriously enough for their liking down our throats, that doesn't make this a good idea. Ophaesia pledges support of any new resolution retracting this clause even if it goes hand in hand with retracting the entire resolution.
by Genovian Empire » Sun Feb 10, 2019 8:05 pm
by Maowi » Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:53 am
Genovian Empire wrote:The Free Land of Maowi Changing genders doesn't make sense, who even comes up with this stuff. Male and Female that is it, anything else is a mental illness and must be checked out. Common Sense
by Falcania » Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:04 am
by Nagatar Karumuttu Chettiar » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:02 am
Genovian Empire wrote:The Free Land of Maowi Changing genders doesn't make sense, who even comes up with this stuff. Male and Female that is it, anything else is a mental illness and must be checked out. Common Sense
by The New Nordic Union » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:34 am
Nagatar Karumuttu Chettiar wrote:Hoo boy! It took way too long, but I think I finally found a loophole:
If religious organization rules are exempt
then one can simply pass laws that all religious organizations within the nation must make internal rules against the contents of this resolution or be prohibited from practice in the country and replaced by a government back version of that religious organization!
Haha!
Genovian Empire wrote:Changing genders doesn't make sense, who even comes up with this stuff. Male and Female that is it, anything else is a mental illness and must be checked out. Common Sense
Nagatar Karumuttu Chettiar wrote:Yes. I concur. Though I think there are 3 genders to be honest (Male, Female, Intersex) but for the most part, gender change is weird as f*ck.
by Nagatar Karumuttu Chettiar » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:38 am
The New Nordic Union wrote:You should read up on the difference between sex and gender.
by Arasi Luvasa » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:50 am
Nagatar Karumuttu Chettiar wrote:Hoo boy! It took way too long, but I think I finally found a loophole:
If religious organization rules are exempt
then one can simply pass laws that all religious organizations within the nation must make internal rules against the contents of this resolution or be prohibited from practice in the country and replaced by a government back version of that religious organization!
Haha!
(This will probably turn out to actually be wrong, let me wait for the correction)
[/quote]Genovian Empire wrote:The Free Land of Maowi Changing genders doesn't make sense, who even comes up with this stuff. Male and Female that is it, anything else is a mental illness and must be checked out. Common Sense
Yes. I concur. Though I think there are 3 genders to be honest (Male, Female, Intersex) but for the most part, gender change is weird as f*ck.Wait, can I make propaganda in my nation to harass people into not changing gender?
by The Marconian State » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:55 am
by Caracasus » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:57 am
by Union of Pepe » Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:08 am
by The New Nordic Union » Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:13 am
by Audioslavia » Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:29 am
by Araraukar » Mon Feb 11, 2019 6:29 am
Ophaesia wrote:We, the people of Ophaesia, are a social democratic nation, but we are also scientifically-minded. The notion that a person can choose their gender is as laughable as the notion that a person can choose their species.
Maowi wrote:People can't help their gender; it is just that when we are born we are assigned a certain gender, which could be wrong
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Nagatar Karumuttu Chettiar » Mon Feb 11, 2019 6:36 am
by The New Nordic Union » Mon Feb 11, 2019 6:39 am
Nagatar Karumuttu Chettiar wrote:I think I came up with another loophole (at this point the loophole thing is more of a joke):
Make abortion totally legal, just make the process to get a permit to have one approved take 10 months of processing. Problem solved.
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