New Jersey to Teach LGBT History in Schools

[Blueflarst]

You have to respect my freedom of expresion

[Vassenor]

You have to respect my freedom of expresion

And we have the freedom of expression to criticise what you say.

[The Free Joy State]

...Well that was a thing. Anyone got a tl;dr?

TL;DR: gays bad, commies bad... mantises bad?

TL; DR: Well, that happened. So, how about those history classes.

[Kavagrad]

You have to respect my freedom of expresion

Incoherent as that "expresion" may be.

[Internationalist Bastard]

TL;DR: gays bad, commies bad... mantises bad?

TL; DR: Well, that happened. So, how about those history classes.

Yeah I’m curious if anyone has any idea what the curriculum will actually entail

[LiberNovusAmericae]

I never said that we should gloss over it. I'm simply stating that you shouldn't go overboard and make blanket statements that everyone or almost everyone is a bigot, or that anyone who disagrees with a certain political ideology is bigoted by definition.

How does teaching LGBT history make blanket statements that everyone is a bigot? That is the point of this little derail into "identity politics", yes?

I'm for teaching LGBTQ history, as long as they don't include rampant identity politics in the curriculum. This ain't a derail; it is my views on the subject of this thread. The others are simple examples on why I want ID politics to stay out.

[Kavagrad]

How does teaching LGBT history make blanket statements that everyone is a bigot? That is the point of this little derail into "identity politics", yes?

I'm for teaching LGBTQ history, as long as they don't include rampant identity politics in the curriculum. This ain't a derail; it is my views on the subject of this thread. The others are simple examples on why I want ID politics to stay out.

I see, my apologies. That's what I get for skipping a couple of pages.

[Saiwania]

And they're allowed to keep whining their little socks off, how does that de-legitimise LGBT history in any way?

In my mind, what de-legitimizes LGBT history is the fact that they aren't the majority and thus shouldn't dictate the narrative or what gets priority. This is very niche history that should arguably be relegated to an optional college course that doesn't count towards any degree.

[Internationalist Bastard]

How does teaching LGBT history make blanket statements that everyone is a bigot? That is the point of this little derail into "identity politics", yes?

I'm for teaching LGBTQ history, as long as they don't include rampant identity politics in the curriculum. This ain't a derail; it is my views on the subject of this thread. The others are simple examples on why I want ID politics to stay out.

See I actually understand people not liking identity politics in history, but it’s simply not something I’m personally about

[Internationalist Bastard]

And they're allowed to keep whining their little socks off, how does that de-legitimise LGBT history in any way?

In my mind, what de-legitimizes LGBT history is the fact that they aren't the majority and thus shouldn't dictate the narrative or what gets priority. This is very niche history that should arguably be relegated to an optional college course that doesn't count towards any degree.

And we shouldn’t teach about what black people have done in history either
It’s so niche

[Loben]

You have to respect my freedom of expresion

* so long as it falls in line with progressive politics.

[Geneviev]

TL; DR: Well, that happened. So, how about those history classes.

Yeah I’m curious if anyone has any idea what the curriculum will actually entail

If it's like in California, they're going to mention Stonewall once. We also had Harvey Milk, but that probably wouldn't be in New Jersey. It isn't actually very much of LGBT history in California, but New Jersey might be different.

[Kavagrad]

And they're allowed to keep whining their little socks off, how does that de-legitimise LGBT history in any way?

In my mind, what de-legitimizes LGBT history is the fact that they aren't the majority and thus shouldn't dictate the narrative or what gets priority. This is very niche history that should arguably be relegated to an optional college course that doesn't count towards any degree.

If we can only teach about the "majority", whatever definition we're putting on that aside, you run out of things to teach very fast.

[Kavagrad]

You have to respect my freedom of expresion

* so long as it falls in line with progressive politics.

Blueflarst's post didn't fall in line with any semblance of reality, nevermind any specific political ideology.

[Farnhamia]

I will not be the one which purges this sick brainwashers of the world but i am tired of being shocked by their attempts to brainwash young people be sure if someone exterminates all your brainwashers degeneracy i will watch him/her/... while eating popcorns instead of defending you. I normally respect the sexual desires and acts of other people without saying nothing, but when you instruct the children in your sex variety you go for the limit
When you start brainwashing the childs to follow your degeneracy called free sex values we have a problem, we had tosuffer brainwashing of sects, ideologies, churches which only wanted power instead of improving the humanity and now this...

At your level of impurity you are no more worth than savage animals for the average right wing person , of course you can live as you want having sex bla, bla... but never expect real tolerance for the right wing conservative people we can and will continue smiling to you and saying is fine we respect.... We can say we tolerate you in the real world but you must know we will never do in our internal feelings, of course we the right wing excepting the brainless radicals will never say this hidden disrespect in public much less when in minority we are not brainless, we will wait until your degeneracy generates problems and you start to force us to adopt your ''sex identities''.
I do not hate you i only see souls mixing and spirit degeneration in your practice.

I do not know who is the dark hand behind your movement but i am sure it wants to experiment with your sexual freedom to see deep you can carry it or to gain something probably demons or an entity which want fun of you. Congratulations you invented a lot of weird sex feelings which noone had like trigender and gender void. You one day without surprising me will invent the mantis sex identity and will start to cut off your companion heads with the teeths and worse identities.

Never forget Stalin, Fidel Castro, Che guevara and many of your 'revolutionary heroes' had a worse opinion in this matter than me. Stalin directly killed you, fidel and the other carried you to concentration camps to be trained in the military to become 'men'. We the conservative people will not do any hurt on you until you start to impose your gender indentities in ourselves after few decades of young brainwashing. Then we will force you to stop or else.

And this is not hate speech is the expression of my lack of empathy or simpathies for the LGTB+ members and my lack of aproval to you.
You are not different in your fake tolerance than the catholic church, the islamist and the soviet propaganda you say you respect all people and are tolerant... yeah right until you become majority or someone in not satified with your belief then you will start to terrorize the ''homofobic'' like the nazism did to all of your colectives or something even most barbaric than them.

Awaiting your reports for supposed hate speech ideological opposition and contrarevolutionary, maybe my opinion on the matter end considered as flaming i want to see the number of reports you will put to censore my opinion

It's more trolling, really, not flaming. Regardless, this is not how we post here. You are welcome to express your opinion but please do so in a civil manner. Because this is not the first time you've been told this, you are *** banned for one day. ***

[Internationalist Bastard]

Yeah I’m curious if anyone has any idea what the curriculum will actually entail

If it's like in California, they're going to mention Stonewall once. We also had Harvey Milk, but that probably wouldn't be in New Jersey. It isn't actually very much of LGBT history in California, but New Jersey might be different.

Yeah I pretty much imagine it just being a minor thing
At the most I remember in high school during February we had to write a report on a historically important black person, so there might be a write an essay on a gay person

[Incion]

I'm for teaching LGBTQ history, as long as they don't include rampant identity politics in the curriculum. This ain't a derail; it is my views on the subject of this thread. The others are simple examples on why I want ID politics to stay out.

Thank you for your statement, but based on your post number we were already able to conclude that you advocate the sort of "conservatism" that is mostly about letting the government feed estrogenic plastics to your kid in school lunches and bombard him with constant gay propaganda.

When you wake up one day and learn that you will not have grandchildren, at least you will be able to take comfort in the fact that Donald Trump gave tax breaks to rich people.

[The New California Republic]

... and bombard him with constant gay propaganda.

Lol. "Gay propaganda".

[Incion]

It's more trolling, really, not flaming. Regardless, this is not how we post here. You are welcome to express your opinion but please do so in a civil manner. Because this is not the first time you've been told this, you are *** banned for one day. ***

For your further education, here is a flow chart to determine how "trolling" is defined by administrative staff.

Is it politically incorrect?

If no -> not trolling. If yes ->

Do I agree with it?

If no -> not trolling. If yes ->

BIG RED TEXT, YOU ARE SILENCED

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[LiberNovusAmericae]

I'm for teaching LGBTQ history, as long as they don't include rampant identity politics in the curriculum. This ain't a derail; it is my views on the subject of this thread. The others are simple examples on why I want ID politics to stay out.

Thank you for your statement, but based on your post number we were already able to conclude that you advocate the sort of "conservatism" that is mostly about letting the government feed estrogenic plastics to your kid in school lunches and bombard him with constant gay propaganda.

When you wake up one day and learn that you will not have grandchildren, at least you will be able to take comfort in the fact that Donald Trump gave tax breaks to rich people.

What?

[Farnhamia]

It's more trolling, really, not flaming. Regardless, this is not how we post here. You are welcome to express your opinion but please do so in a civil manner. Because this is not the first time you've been told this, you are *** banned for one day. ***

For your further education, here is a flow chart to determine how "trolling" is defined by administrative staff.

Is it politically incorrect?

If no -> not trolling. If yes ->

Do I agree with it?

If no -> not trolling. If yes ->

BIG RED TEXT, YOU ARE SILENCED

From a technical perspective, that post was long and disorganized and could have been written better, but clear and concise writing takes practice. In order to defend the practice of free speech on this forum, which is full of people who advocate free speech in their Nationstates but only feel comfortable posting in a "politically correct or revolutionary leftist opinions only" moderation environment, I will attempt to redact the original post into a coherent form so we can discuss the arguments it may contain. One moment.

Please don't.

[Ifreann]

How does teaching LGBT history make blanket statements that everyone is a bigot? That is the point of this little derail into "identity politics", yes?

I'm for teaching LGBTQ history, as long as they don't include rampant identity politics in the curriculum. This ain't a derail; it is my views on the subject of this thread. The others are simple examples on why I want ID politics to stay out.

Except the example you gave had nothing to do with identity politics as you defined it.

[The Free Joy State]

If it's like in California, they're going to mention Stonewall once. We also had Harvey Milk, but that probably wouldn't be in New Jersey. It isn't actually very much of LGBT history in California, but New Jersey might be different.

Yeah I pretty much imagine it just being a minor thing
At the most I remember in high school during February we had to write a report on a historically important black person, so there might be a write an essay on a gay person

From what I gather, having read what information is available, it is going to concentrate on the contributions of individuals.

[Kannap]

This isn't real history in my opinion. There is no need to elevate LGBT as being anything special. So their rights to be "different from the norm" weren't always respected by society, a lot of people to this day are going to think "big deal" about that. A lot of people in the present, still object to LGBT being out of the closet.

There are no rights to be "different from the norm," and the rights we are fighting for are equal rights to what others have now.

Do you also think that the Civil Rights movement shouldn't be taught and that MLK and other persons of color have rights "different from the norm"?

[Kannap]

This isn't real history in my opinion. There is no need to elevate LGBT as being anything special. So their rights to be "different from the norm" weren't always respected by society, a lot of people to this day are going to think "big deal" about that. A lot of people in the present, still object to LGBT being out of the closet.

We shouldn't tell anyone anything about historical figures. Maybe just a randomly asigned numerical code if you're lucky.

Or, we could make every text book an ad-lib.

Mad Libs textbooks! Enter your own historical figure's names, nation names, nouns, historical dates, etc.!