by Gig em Aggies » Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:04 pm
by Scomagia » Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:56 pm
by Yusseria » Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:01 pm
Scomagia wrote:It's obvious that the officer was in a position where he had to make a snap decision. However, why should that mean that nothing should happen to him? A lot of people, myself included, are pretty sick of cops making mistakes, even honest ones, and then skipping off merrily into the sunset. The truth is that he killed an innocent person. It was an easy mistake to make but that doesn't mean he should just get a back pat and be sent on his way. A man is dead and there needs to be some kind of reckoning. If you or I killed someone mistakenly, we'd be rightly held accountable but this same standard doesn't exist for police. It's a hideous double standard that damages relations between the community and the police and gives ammunition to the cop haters.
I don't blame the family one bit for seeking justice.
by Andsed » Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:02 pm
by Scomagia » Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:23 pm
Yusseria wrote:Scomagia wrote:It's obvious that the officer was in a position where he had to make a snap decision. However, why should that mean that nothing should happen to him? A lot of people, myself included, are pretty sick of cops making mistakes, even honest ones, and then skipping off merrily into the sunset. The truth is that he killed an innocent person. It was an easy mistake to make but that doesn't mean he should just get a back pat and be sent on his way. A man is dead and there needs to be some kind of reckoning. If you or I killed someone mistakenly, we'd be rightly held accountable but this same standard doesn't exist for police. It's a hideous double standard that damages relations between the community and the police and gives ammunition to the cop haters.
I don't blame the family one bit for seeking justice.
this is pretty much my feeling on the matter. mistakes should have consequences, especially when that mistake means killing a hero.
by An Alan Smithee Nation » Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:29 pm
by Yusseria » Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:30 pm
Scomagia wrote:Yusseria wrote:this is pretty much my feeling on the matter. mistakes should have consequences, especially when that mistake means killing a hero.
We've seen this problem in other circumstances with a similarly unjust result. SWAT teams have made some pretty stupendous fuckups, such as breaking into the wrong house and killing or maiming the occupants. The result, predictably, is "Sorry, wrong address". There is a very real accountability problem. Here's an example:
https://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=95475&page=1
And another:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source= ... 0895356839
One thing that might help is if the investigations into these incidents are conducted by a third party. It strikes me as incredibly dubious to have these kinds of incidents investigated by the friends and colleagues of the police involved.
by Yusseria » Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:31 pm
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:To a non-American it seems pretty obvious that that is what is going to happen.
by Valrifell » Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:40 pm
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:To a non-American it seems pretty obvious that that is what is going to happen.
by Scomagia » Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:44 pm
Yusseria wrote:Scomagia wrote:We've seen this problem in other circumstances with a similarly unjust result. SWAT teams have made some pretty stupendous fuckups, such as breaking into the wrong house and killing or maiming the occupants. The result, predictably, is "Sorry, wrong address". There is a very real accountability problem. Here's an example:
https://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=95475&page=1
And another:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source= ... 0895356839
One thing that might help is if the investigations into these incidents are conducted by a third party. It strikes me as incredibly dubious to have these kinds of incidents investigated by the friends and colleagues of the police involved.
yeah. having a neutral and independent law firm investigate these things would be preferable.
by Prusenreich » Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:46 pm
by Ifreann » Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:47 pm
by Andsed » Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:47 pm
Yusseria wrote:Scomagia wrote:We've seen this problem in other circumstances with a similarly unjust result. SWAT teams have made some pretty stupendous fuckups, such as breaking into the wrong house and killing or maiming the occupants. The result, predictably, is "Sorry, wrong address". There is a very real accountability problem. Here's an example:
https://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=95475&page=1
And another:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source= ... 0895356839
One thing that might help is if the investigations into these incidents are conducted by a third party. It strikes me as incredibly dubious to have these kinds of incidents investigated by the friends and colleagues of the police involved.
yeah. having a neutral and independent law firm investigate these things would be preferable.
Prusenreich wrote:I think it was the fact that he had A GUN at the scene of a shooting not his skin color
by Ifreann » Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:53 pm
Prusenreich wrote:I think it was the fact that he had A GUN at the scene of a shooting not his skin color
by USS Monitor » Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:07 pm
by Yusseria » Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:23 pm
Ifreann wrote:Prusenreich wrote:I think it was the fact that he had A GUN at the scene of a shooting not his skin color
So when there's a shooting, people with guns should...lie down on the ground with their hands on their head? The fuck is the point of the right to self defence and a right to bear arms if the police will kill you for exercising them?
by Purpelia » Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:49 pm
Yusseria wrote:Ifreann wrote:So when there's a shooting, people with guns should...lie down on the ground with their hands on their head? The fuck is the point of the right to self defence and a right to bear arms if the police will kill you for exercising them?
this is kind of the point. this is the second instance i know of where a hero who stopped a mass shooting ended up being mistakenly killed by police. it needs to end.
by Thermodolia » Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:50 pm
Andsed wrote:While I understand why the cops shot him and that it was an accident punishment still needs to be handed down. Maybe not firing the cop but he should be given further training along with some disciplinary action and compensation should be paid to the family.
by Ifreann » Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:55 pm
Purpelia wrote:Yusseria wrote:this is kind of the point. this is the second instance i know of where a hero who stopped a mass shooting ended up being mistakenly killed by police. it needs to end.
And the only way it can end is if police officers are given magic psychic powers, random would be heroes start wearing IFF tags or people stop playing hero and let the police do their jobs.
Out of the 3 only one is reasonable, likely or practical.
Thermodolia wrote:Andsed wrote:While I understand why the cops shot him and that it was an accident punishment still needs to be handed down. Maybe not firing the cop but he should be given further training along with some disciplinary action and compensation should be paid to the family.
Suspended without pay sounds like enough punishment
by Thermodolia » Wed Feb 06, 2019 4:01 pm
Ifreann wrote:Purpelia wrote:And the only way it can end is if police officers are given magic psychic powers, random would be heroes start wearing IFF tags or people stop playing hero and let the police do their jobs.
Out of the 3 only one is reasonable, likely or practical.
You missed the best option.
Disarm the police.Thermodolia wrote:Suspended without pay sounds like enough punishment
There's some parts of the world where you get put to death for shooting innocent people, but yeah, suspension without pay is also technically a punishment.
by Andsed » Wed Feb 06, 2019 4:05 pm
Thermodolia wrote:Andsed wrote:While I understand why the cops shot him and that it was an accident punishment still needs to be handed down. Maybe not firing the cop but he should be given further training along with some disciplinary action and compensation should be paid to the family.
Suspended without pay sounds like enough punishment
by Gig em Aggies » Wed Feb 06, 2019 4:09 pm
Thermodolia wrote:Ifreann wrote:You missed the best option.
Disarm the police.
There's some parts of the world where you get put to death for shooting innocent people, but yeah, suspension without pay is also technically a punishment.
For manslaughter? I don’t think any place outside of the Middle East executes people for manslaughter, a few years in prison is most likely
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by Aclion » Wed Feb 06, 2019 4:30 pm
Ifreann wrote:The fuck is the point of the right to self defence and a right to bear arms if the police will kill you for exercising them?
by Bombadil » Wed Feb 06, 2019 7:10 pm
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:To a non-American it seems pretty obvious that that is what is going to happen.
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