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by Jocospor » Tue Feb 05, 2019 8:27 am
by Heraswed » Tue Feb 05, 2019 9:04 am
by Syberis » Tue Feb 05, 2019 9:04 am
Jocospor wrote:OOC: You all make me laugh. Believe what you want to believe. The offer is always up for you to send a puppet down our way. Should you do so, you'll come to realise just how terribly you misjudged us.
Zaolat wrote:WHO THE F*** IS SYBERIS
by Drop Your Pants » Tue Feb 05, 2019 9:15 am
Heraswed wrote:NB. The following clauses have been added to the draft,
Further Asserting that of common qualities of a Fascist state the CCD is only in alignment with Authoritarianism,
Therefore Believing that there is not sufficient evidence to condemn the CCD as 'Fascist',
Understanding that Section 1, Article 1 of the 'Rights and Duties of WA Nations' (GA#2) states that 'Every WA Member State has the right to independence and hence to exercise freely, without dictation by any other NationState, all its legal powers, including the choice of its own form of government',
Believing that SC#263 is in violation of GA#2,
by New Bremerton » Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:20 am
by USS Monitor » Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:23 am
Jocospor wrote:Yokiria wrote:Anything we could gain from Jocospor's greater knowledge about the subject is nullified by the fact he has no credibility what-so-ever.
OOC: No credibility? Golly, and I didn't even claim that communism never killed more than ten million. How 'bout that?! Look, if you're so curious, send a puppet nation to the Confederation and see for yourself. I'm sure what you find will cause you extreme embarrassment. (Actually...that might be an...interesting initiative...welcome to the "Jocospor has an Idea!" show...)
by Blood Wine » Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:44 am
Heraswed wrote:NB. The following clauses have been added to the draft,
Further Asserting that of common qualities of a Fascist state the CCD is only in alignment with Authoritarianism,
Therefore Believing that there is not sufficient evidence to condemn the CCD as 'Fascist',
Understanding that Section 1, Article 1 of the 'Rights and Duties of WA Nations' (GA#2) states that 'Every WA Member State has the right to independence and hence to exercise freely, without dictation by any other NationState, all its legal powers, including the choice of its own form of government',
Believing that SC#263 is in violation of GA#2,
Elke and Elba wrote:Well Mall, you want Haven? I'd want your Joint Systems Alliance badge, then.
Discoveria wrote:Port blood is a raider through and through. Honest.
Tim-Opolis wrote:The Salt Mines will be fueled for months by the tears of silly fascists.
[4:27 PM] Antigone: Port Blood = Gameplay JesusSedgistan wrote:Attempted threadjack on sandwiches and satanism removed.
by New Bremerton » Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:57 am
USS Monitor wrote:Jocospor wrote:OOC: No credibility? Golly, and I didn't even claim that communism never killed more than ten million. How 'bout that?! Look, if you're so curious, send a puppet nation to the Confederation and see for yourself. I'm sure what you find will cause you extreme embarrassment. (Actually...that might be an...interesting initiative...welcome to the "Jocospor has an Idea!" show...)
Having a puppet in CCD would cause many people extreme embarrassment.
by Bedetopia » Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:40 am
Heraswed wrote:NB. The following clauses have been added to the draft,
Further Asserting that of common qualities of a Fascist state the CCD is only in alignment with Authoritarianism,
Therefore Believing that there is not sufficient evidence to condemn the CCD as 'Fascist',
Understanding that Section 1, Article 1 of the 'Rights and Duties of WA Nations' (GA#2) states that 'Every WA Member State has the right to independence and hence to exercise freely, without dictation by any other NationState, all its legal powers, including the choice of its own form of government',
Believing that SC#263 is in violation of GA#2,
by Heraswed » Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:09 pm
by Heraswed » Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:10 pm
Bedetopia wrote:Heraswed wrote:NB. The following clauses have been added to the draft,
Further Asserting that of common qualities of a Fascist state the CCD is only in alignment with Authoritarianism,
Therefore Believing that there is not sufficient evidence to condemn the CCD as 'Fascist',
Understanding that Section 1, Article 1 of the 'Rights and Duties of WA Nations' (GA#2) states that 'Every WA Member State has the right to independence and hence to exercise freely, without dictation by any other NationState, all its legal powers, including the choice of its own form of government',
Believing that SC#263 is in violation of GA#2,
I'm afraid it doesn't bode well for your proposal if you stubbornly add arguments that the majority disapproves of.
by Reploid Productions » Tue Feb 05, 2019 2:49 pm
[violet] wrote:Maybe we could power our new search engine from the sexual tension between you two.
by Heraswed » Tue Feb 05, 2019 3:13 pm
Reploid Productions wrote:Unfortunately, even if the "are they for reals fascists or not?" debate were to be clearly settled, a repeal of the liberation is likely to fail not necessarily on any particular ideological grounds, but because CCD has basically poisoned the well with the community at large with antics like the previously-mentioned self-commendation attempts. Long story short is that their conduct has seriously soured the way a sizable slice of the community looks at the region and a lot of people are likely to vote against a repeal simply because they really dislike the region and/or several of its members. The allegations of being Nazis/fascists/sympathizers is really just the icing on the cake.
Folks have offered CCD leadership lots of solutions and ways to settle the fascist-or-not issue, but there hasn't been any movement from CCD's leadership on trying to mend the damage already done to their PR by their World Assembly proposal antics. The self-aggrandizement via repeated self-commend attempts, the barrage of campaign telegrams almost to rulebreaking excess whenever they're trying to push a proposal (often one that has barely seen time on the drafting forum for critique and polishing), CCD's apparent hate-on for Imperium Anglorum and complaining about some sort of WA Illuminati... that sort of thing gets to be really irritating to the community and just cements in a strong dislike and obstructionist attitude toward anything they're involved in. Sad to say for instance, there are people who have voted against proposals Jocospor submitted without any regard to the actual contents of the proposal, simply because he's annoyed them so much that they just don't want to see him get n resolution author badge. The existing PR nightmare is probably the single greatest obstacle to a repeal of the liberation passing, and that's not something you can fix.
All that being said though, props on taking the time drafting and getting feedback from folks. The WA has a stupidly steep learning curve, and you've selected an extremely difficult topic to try and tackle for what appears at a quick glance to be your first attempt at an SC proposal.
by Lord Dominator » Tue Feb 05, 2019 3:53 pm
Heraswed wrote:OOC: Well thanks. Is it really that obvious that this is my first proposal?
by Jocospor » Tue Feb 05, 2019 6:36 pm
Reploid Productions wrote:Unfortunately, even if the "are they for reals fascists or not?" debate were to be clearly settled, a repeal of the liberation is likely to fail not necessarily on any particular ideological grounds, but because CCD has basically poisoned the well with the community at large with antics like the previously-mentioned self-commendation attempts. Long story short is that their conduct has seriously soured the way a sizable slice of the community looks at the region and a lot of people are likely to vote against a repeal simply because they really dislike the region and/or several of its members. The allegations of being Nazis/fascists/sympathizers is really just the icing on the cake.
Folks have offered CCD leadership lots of solutions and ways to settle the fascist-or-not issue, but there hasn't been any movement from CCD's leadership on trying to mend the damage already done to their PR by their World Assembly proposal antics. The self-aggrandizement via repeated self-commend attempts, the barrage of campaign telegrams almost to rulebreaking excess whenever they're trying to push a proposal (often one that has barely seen time on the drafting forum for critique and polishing), CCD's apparent hate-on for Imperium Anglorum and complaining about some sort of WA Illuminati... that sort of thing gets to be really irritating to the community and just cements in a strong dislike and obstructionist attitude toward anything they're involved in. Sad to say for instance, there are people who have voted against proposals Jocospor submitted without any regard to the actual contents of the proposal, simply because he's annoyed them so much that they just don't want to see him get n resolution author badge. The existing PR nightmare is probably the single greatest obstacle to a repeal of the liberation passing, and that's not something you can fix.
All that being said though, props on taking the time drafting and getting feedback from folks. The WA has a stupidly steep learning curve, and you've selected an extremely difficult topic to try and tackle for what appears at a quick glance to be your first attempt at an SC proposal.
USS Monitor wrote:Having a puppet in CCD would cause many people extreme embarrassment.
by Reploid Productions » Tue Feb 05, 2019 6:50 pm
[violet] wrote:Maybe we could power our new search engine from the sexual tension between you two.
by Heraswed » Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:58 am
by Lord Dominator » Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:15 am
by Heraswed » Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:11 pm
by Lord Dominator » Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:35 pm
Heraswed wrote:If I were to propose this, would it better to wait until the current proposals by Hallor are out of vote or not?
by Heraswed » Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:55 pm
by Kuriko » Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:47 pm
Heraswed wrote:Very well, if there are no more pertinent discussions to be had, I'll submit this at 22:00 (GMT).
by Lord Dominator » Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:06 pm
by Heraswed » Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:13 pm
by Heraswed » Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:20 pm
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