Ideal for a New Leftist Movement

[Communal concils]

I'm a socialist, and I'm far-left. The historical socialist movements had things I like, as well as things I dislike. However, I agree with many policies of these movements.

The Fall of the Soviet Union was the beginning of both practical and ideological degeneracy of the movement. In my opinion it has allowed the right wingers to form unchallenged groups(Alt-Right is a example).The Democratic socialist policies aren't long lasting, the Marxist-Leninist have fantasies of a revolution that will never happen, the other Communist are too Liberal, and Anarchist believe in a pseudo-egalitarian utopia.In my opinion, their needs to be a new ideology. Here are the ideals I propose for the movement(if it was created).

1.The Socialist State is the only stage of Socialism required. There will be no transition to communism, and their will be no anarchist "society". Enemies would be every were, both foreign and domestic. Order and Stability is what all Socialist should be.

2.To defeat Capitalism and counter-Revolutionaries ,one must be populist. The Working class aren't educated enough to control the state. There needs to be a responsible Oligarchy. One that challenges it's opposition, but also cleans it's self. This Oligarchy must be lead by a single party, and this party must lead a republic of self restriction .It should also consolidate power.

3.Means justify the ends. It doesn't not matter how the party gains power, it must find a way of taking control. Elections, Military coup, and popular revolutions; these are only a few methods of gaining power.

4.Sectarianism is good,there is no "Left Unity".The Spanish civil war shows what Left unity is.

5.State control over the economy is a desire. welfare, Mass production, Protectionism, subsides and public services are good policies.

6.Complete rejection of consumerism and capitalist culture is important. Drugs,prositution and other hedonist desires should be banned.

7.People must be unified. Secularism and Nationalism can be used to unite the people. World revolution is a utopia, and focusing on your nation is truly progressive.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

This sounds like typical authoritarian communism, nothing special.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

This is literally Strasserism without the Jewish aspect.

[Cossack Khanate]

Ok, I’m a total anti-communist and wary of far-left socialism, but allow me to advise. I think several of your principles have indeed violated the whole point of socialism. Just for sake of debate, I would be interested in what separates your socialism from capitalism.

[Vulga]

This isn't socialism lol. This is state-capitalism.

[Vulga]

Also you aren't far-left. You're anti-choice and anti-lgbt. You have more in common with fascists than any socialist I know.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

This is literally Strasserism without the Jewish aspect.

Sounds more like Fascism with a Socialist Face to me.

Sooo late-war Italian Fascism, gotcha.

[United Universal Union]

Hi Mussolini, you're 80-90 years late.

[Communal concils]

Ok, I’m a total anti-communist and wary of far-left socialism, but allow me to advise. I think several of your principles have indeed violated the whole point of socialism. Just for sake of debate, I would be interested in what separates your socialism from capitalism.

In my socialism ,lot's of resources would be state owned. I'm also think that cooperatives are okay. Command economy is what I desire, and the profit motive would be changed in the system I propose.

[Karu Nadu]

To defeat Capitalism and counter-Revolutionaries ,one must be populist. The Working class aren't educated enough to control the state. There needs to be a responsible Oligarchy. One that challenges it's opposition, but also cleans it's self. This Oligarchy must be lead by a single party, and this party must lead a republic of self restriction .It should also consolidate power.

A political party needs other competition to exist as a "party". Otherwise, it just becomes an association of people, while a political party is an association of people with an idea so that they can defeat other parties.

[Valrifell]

This is literally Strasserism without the Jewish aspect.

Sounds more like Fascism with a Socialist Face to me.

Fascism is essentially totalitarianism and hatred with a socialist face already, so.

[Communal concils]

This isn't socialism lol. This is state-capitalism.

Ah, I'm guesting you are one of those Leninist that think that the nation degenerated, yet maybe that is what Lenin proposed.

[The South Falls]

Sounds more like Fascism with a Socialist Face to me.

Fascism is essentially totalitarianism and hatred with a socialist face already, so.

This is just fascism with a thin veil, so...

[Andrassia]

Want the left to be better? Kick out all the Feminazi's and the SJW's. They completely ruined the left wing. I used to be left wing too, but I am a rather radical centrist nowadays. Meaning I am a strong centrist, although I must admit I lean towards the libertarian side.

[The World Capitalist Confederation]

I'm a socialist, and I'm far-left. The historical socialist movements had things I like, as well as things I dislike. However, I agree with many policies of these movements.

The Fall of the Soviet Union was the beginning of both practical and ideological degeneracy of the movement. In my opinion it has allowed the right wingers to form unchallenged groups(Alt-Right is a example).The Democratic socialist policies aren't long lasting, the Marxist-Leninist have fantasies of a revolution that will never happen, the other Communist are too Liberal, and Anarchist believe in a pseudo-egalitarian utopia.In my opinion, their needs to be a new ideology. Here are the ideals I propose for the movement(if it was created).

1.The Socialist State is the only stage of Socialism required. There will be no transition to communism, and their will be no anarchist "society". Enemies would be every were, both foreign and domestic. Order and Stability is what all Socialist should be.

2.To defeat Capitalism and counter-Revolutionaries ,one must be populist. The Working class aren't educated enough to control the state. There needs to be a responsible Oligarchy. One that challenges it's opposition, but also cleans it's self. This Oligarchy must be lead by a single party, and this party must lead a republic of self restriction .It should also consolidate power.

3.Means justify the ends. It doesn't not matter how the party gains power, it must find a way of taking control. Elections, Military coup, and popular revolutions; these are only a few methods of gaining power.

4.Sectarianism is good,there is no "Left Unity".The Spanish civil war shows what Left unity is.

5.State control over the economy is a desire. welfare, Mass production, Protectionism, subsides and public services are good policies.

6.Complete rejection of consumerism and capitalist culture is important. Drugs,prositution and other hedonist desires should be banned.

7.People must be unified. Secularism and Nationalism can be used to unite the people. World revolution is a utopia, and focusing on your nation is truly progressive.

Because nothing says egalitarian like having people in charge of your daily lives! Oh boy, we truly live in an egalitarian society despite being ruled by several hierarchies. *Eyes twitch so hard they slowly start bursting*

1. No. Socialism is about freedom and equality, not the seizing of freedom away from dissidents. This entire point is a massive mistake as it not only misses the point of socialism, but it also subverts its values to the point that, if all socialism was like this, then PragerU would start becoming correct. And I shudder to think of a world in which that would become the case.

2. Again, you are missing the point of socialism; do you not know what its point is? The greatest weapon in the world is education, and you dare to deny that from the masses? Stop hiding your desire to become a dictator; it's clearly showing. Populism is the working class controlling the state - or even better - controlling every single thing. We must destroy all these notions of unity, as all they do is destroy liberty and individualism. For the last time, have you not understood? Socialism is about freedom and equality (plus some decentralisation, efficiency and progress here and there) rather than whatever you intend to achieve. It is not some paddy to be used like capitalism in order to achieve your nationalist goals. Begone counter-revolutionary!

3. I spoke too soon. You actually made a good point. But remember: these revolutions need to prevent the degeneration of the functions of society, lest we return to capitalism or even go to full-on fascism like the USSR was about to.

4. Another good point. But that conflicts with your number 7, so..

5. Damn you and your state! The people need to control the economy, in order to provide more opportunity, speed up progress and the dissemination and insemination of ideas within and into society. Decentralisation destroys corruption and allows for a more efficient society. Good riddance.

6. Yes, we must reject consumerism and capitalist culture. No, we must not remove hedonism; hedonism and other such things are a key to happiness. Whilst prostitution (for money, anyway) puts women and men as servile sex slaves, drugs and other things like it do no harm to society as a whole if regulated properly.

7. As I said, unity is just a pretense to destroy freedom. We need to destroy nationalism in order to prevent the resurgence of capitalism. A singularity and a truly automated society is a real utopia, not some self-aggrandising society at the end of some nationalism and fascism-filled rainbow.

In conclusion, please stop.

[Vulga]

Ok, I’m a total anti-communist and wary of far-left socialism, but allow me to advise. I think several of your principles have indeed violated the whole point of socialism. Just for sake of debate, I would be interested in what separates your socialism from capitalism.

In my socialism ,lot's of resources would be state owned. I'm also think that cooperatives are okay. Command economy is what I desire, and the profit motive would be changed in the system I propose.

That's not socialism. The economic mode you described is what Lenin called State-Capitalism, which was created to rapidly industrialize the mostly agrarian post-tsarist Russia. Socialism is defined by far-left socialists as system that advocates worker's control over the means of production. Stop spreading misinformation.

[The World Capitalist Confederation]

Want the left to be better? Kick out all the Feminazi's and the SJW's. They completely ruined the left wing. I used to be left wing too, but I am a rather radical centrist nowadays. Meaning I am a strong centrist, although I must admit I lean towards the libertarian side.

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Stop complaining. This isn't the 1960s, and I'm sorry if you get butthurt by people kindly telling you to stop saying slurs in casual conversation. Tell me, fellow human being, have you ever been insulted due to something relating to your body or anything of the like before? If you have, then you know what those people who complain feel...and they feel that every day. They try to put up with it, but after all, why not just tell them to stop? You have been tricked by the right, my friend. The only people who truly do the things which are 'feminazi' or 'SJW' are just people kindly telling you to stop insulting them. In fact, the right does this doles more than the left. Make a joke about any right-winger beloved by people in your country (something quite insulting, like turning their corpse into a public urinal or about how if they were replaced by literal dirt, the country would've been better off, yada yada), or something relating to old imperial pasts/soldiers in wars, etc..Basically anything that has national pride attached to it. Then wait. They'll react worse than if you played 10 hours of slurs in front of left-wingers.

[Lanoraie II]

3.Means justify the ends. It doesn't not matter how the party gains power, it must find a way of taking control. Elections, Military coup, and popular revolutions; these are only a few methods of gaining power.

You're not advocating for murder, are you...?

This is why I have such a massive problem with most political affiliations, it's all about power to you. You must be top dog, you must blah blah blah. Nothing ever about fighting corruption or evil people. Nothing ever about working together with sincere people who may regardless be in an opposing party, and being sincere yourself.

[Ada Empire]

I'm a socialist, and I'm far-left. The historical socialist movements had things I like, as well as things I dislike. However, I agree with many policies of these movements.

The Fall of the Soviet Union was the beginning of both practical and ideological degeneracy of the movement. In my opinion it has allowed the right wingers to form unchallenged groups(Alt-Right is a example).The Democratic socialist policies aren't long lasting, the Marxist-Leninist have fantasies of a revolution that will never happen, the other Communist are too Liberal, and Anarchist believe in a pseudo-egalitarian utopia.In my opinion, their needs to be a new ideology. Here are the ideals I propose for the movement(if it was created).

1.The Socialist State is the only stage of Socialism required. There will be no transition to communism, and their will be no anarchist "society". Enemies would be every were, both foreign and domestic. Order and Stability is what all Socialist should be.

2.To defeat Capitalism and counter-Revolutionaries ,one must be populist. The Working class aren't educated enough to control the state. There needs to be a responsible Oligarchy. One that challenges it's opposition, but also cleans it's self. This Oligarchy must be lead by a single party, and this party must lead a republic of self restriction .It should also consolidate power.

3.Means justify the ends. It doesn't not matter how the party gains power, it must find a way of taking control. Elections, Military coup, and popular revolutions; these are only a few methods of gaining power.

4.Sectarianism is good,there is no "Left Unity".The Spanish civil war shows what Left unity is.

5.State control over the economy is a desire. welfare, Mass production, Protectionism, subsides and public services are good policies.

6.Complete rejection of consumerism and capitalist culture is important. Drugs,prositution and other hedonist desires should be banned.

7.People must be unified. Secularism and Nationalism can be used to unite the people. World revolution is a utopia, and focusing on your nation is truly progressive.

Hi, actual socialist here, let me critique this whole mess.

1) Socialism is workers ownership of the means of production, and it's where the state is run by the working class, there is no "transition to communism", communism comes from post-scarcity, which is idealist until we manage to make advancements in production and science globally, the advancements in socialism would lead into communism, theres no need for extensive planning here.
2)Mao talks about the mass line, the party has to directly interact and be connected to the populace to spread class consciousness. What Marx meant by the Dictatorship of the Proletariat was class dictatorship, not one dude calling all the shots. (in capitalism there is a dictatorship of the bourgeois class, so to speak, socialism replaces the DoTB with the DoTP.) Socialism is about spreading the democratic process to the unheard masses, anything else is revisionism and opportunistic lies.
3)We should hope to use the democratic process and peaceful means to achieve socialism, but history has taught us that when democratic socialist movements become popularized, reactionary politics are popularized too, (see Franco, Pinochet, etc.) That's when violence becomes absolutely necessary.
4) I don't see why different nations shouldn't be able to choose there own alternatives to capitalism
5) NO, WORKERS COMPLETE RELIANCE ON WELFARE IS NOT LIBERATION IT IS SLAVERY, welfare is a tool used by capitalists to maintain capitalism, its a temporary solution to the permanent issue of poverty in capitalism. Democratic workplace participation is always the way to go.
6) I agree slightly with you here, but it shouldn't be the left's main focus.
7) there's absolutely no reason to violate someones freedom to practice their religion. And all leftists should have the goal of the eventual removal of the state and borders.

[Andrassia]

Want the left to be better? Kick out all the Feminazi's and the SJW's. They completely ruined the left wing. I used to be left wing too, but I am a rather radical centrist nowadays. Meaning I am a strong centrist, although I must admit I lean towards the libertarian side.

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Stop complaining. This isn't the 1960s, and I'm sorry if you get butthurt by people kindly telling you to stop saying slurs in casual conversation. Tell me, fellow human being, have you ever been insulted due to something relating to your body or anything of the like before? If you have, then you know what those people who complain feel...and they feel that every day. They try to put up with it, but after all, why not just tell them to stop? You have been tricked by the right, my friend. The only people who truly do the things which are 'feminazi' or 'SJW' are just people kindly telling you to stop insulting them. In fact, the right does this doles more than the left. Make a joke about any right-winger beloved by people in your country (something quite insulting, like turning their corpse into a public urinal or about how if they were replaced by literal dirt, the country would've been better off, yada yada), or something relating to old imperial pasts/soldiers in wars, etc..Basically anything that has national pride attached to it. Then wait. They'll react worse than if you played 10 hours of slurs in front of left-wingers.

You feel better now? Sounded like you really needed to get that off your chest and you were just waiting for someone.

[Communal concils]

In my socialism ,lot's of resources would be state owned. I'm also think that cooperatives are okay. Command economy is what I desire, and the profit motive would be changed in the system I propose.

That's not socialism. The economic mode you described is what Lenin called State-Capitalism, which was created to rapidly industrialize the mostly agrarian post-tsarist Russia. Socialism is defined by far-left socialists as system that advocates worker's control over the means of production. Stop spreading misinformation.

I did said that I support cooperatives, and I believe that state owned economies lead to socialism anyways.

[Karu Nadu]

Stop complaining. This isn't the 1960s, and I'm sorry if you get butthurt by people kindly telling you to stop saying slurs in casual conversation. Tell me, fellow human being, have you ever been insulted due to something relating to your body or anything of the like before? If you have, then you know what those people who complain feel...and they feel that every day. They try to put up with it, but after all, why not just tell them to stop? You have been tricked by the right, my friend. The only people who truly do the things which are 'feminazi' or 'SJW' are just people kindly telling you to stop insulting them. In fact, the right does this doles more than the left. Make a joke about any right-winger beloved by people in your country (something quite insulting, like turning their corpse into a public urinal or about how if they were replaced by literal dirt, the country would've been better off, yada yada), or something relating to old imperial pasts/soldiers in wars, etc..Basically anything that has national pride attached to it. Then wait. They'll react worse than if you played 10 hours of slurs in front of left-wingers.

You feel better now? Sounded like you really needed to get that off your chest and you were just waiting for someone.

What's your point?

[Communal concils]

In my socialism ,lot's of resources would be state owned. I'm also think that cooperatives are okay. Command economy is what I desire, and the profit motive would be changed in the system I propose.

That's not socialism. The economic mode you described is what Lenin called State-Capitalism, which was created to rapidly industrialize the mostly agrarian post-tsarist Russia. Socialism is defined by far-left socialists as system that advocates worker's control over the means of production. Stop spreading misinformation.

I did said that I support cooperatives, and I believe that state owned economies lead to socialism anyways.

[Vulga]

That's not socialism. The economic mode you described is what Lenin called State-Capitalism, which was created to rapidly industrialize the mostly agrarian post-tsarist Russia. Socialism is defined by far-left socialists as system that advocates worker's control over the means of production. Stop spreading misinformation.

I did said that I support cooperatives, and I believe that state owned economies lead to socialism anyways.

Your definition of socialism is basically an authoritarian welfare state is which is far closer to fascism than socialism. You're a fascist not a socialist.

[Communal concils]

Want the left to be better? Kick out all the Feminazi's and the SJW's. They completely ruined the left wing. I used to be left wing too, but I am a rather radical centrist nowadays. Meaning I am a strong centrist, although I must admit I lean towards the libertarian side.

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I don't call liberals SJWs,I call them Liberals. I'm against Liberalism both socially and economically. I don't think their views do anything for the world. I believe in true social Justice, one that unites people of all races and cultures. The Left was never ruined, it has only been oppressed by the Leftoids(fake leftist).