Canadian Politics

[The Tomerlands]

Can someone explain why Justin Trudeau is hated by so many people?

He isn't, really. Just about 30% of Canadians who will hate any liberal, just like the 30% who hate all Conservatives, the 10% who hate both and support the NDP, and everyone else in between.

Specific things that have brought down his popularity would be: his support for carbon pricing (a carbon tax, not popular with the west), his youth-oriented social justice policy (kind of alienating people who think he takes it too far), some of the things he says and does (you'll get an earful from Conservatives about his trip to India, while no one else cares about it), and some of the shady stuff a few of his caucus members have been caught up in. Like Morneau's French villa or Harjit Sajjan's role in Afghanistan. Personally, I don't think any of this really means any real trouble for him. The economy is doing well and the country is better off than it was four years ago.

Okay. Thank you for explaining. Much better then any of the previous replies.

I happen to agree with a few criticisms of him, mostly from the left of Canada that he's a shill for neoliberalism and corporatism like how he wants to build that pipeline in British Columbia. If I lived in Canada I would support the New Democratic Party but I don't really hate Justin or the Liberals. They did legalize marijuana federally and approved of that bill that so many butthurt conservative bitched about.

[The Tomerlands]

He isn't, really. Just about 30% of Canadians who will hate any liberal, just like the 30% who hate all Conservatives, the 10% who hate both and support the NDP, and everyone else in between.

Specific things that have brought down his popularity would be: his support for carbon pricing (a carbon tax, not popular with the west), his youth-oriented social justice policy (kind of alienating people who think he takes it too far), some of the things he says and does (you'll get an earful from Conservatives about his trip to India, while no one else cares about it), and some of the shady stuff a few of his caucus members have been caught up in. Like Morneau's French villa or Harjit Sajjan's role in Afghanistan. Personally, I don't think any of this really means any real trouble for him. The economy is doing well and the country is better off than it was four years ago.

Actually I’d rather anyone but Trudeau. If the liberals kicked him out I’d be happy with them

I'd have him over Donald Trump any day.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Trudeau is fine tbh

You are the reason this airhead will get reelected.

Because he is running the country fine?

Trudeau is fine tbh

Why? Because of his name and hair?
Which are the only reasons he is in office.

Certainly not because of his (lack of) intellect or (lack of) ability to get much done.

Legalized weed like he said, respects veterans, conforms to the UN climate agreement, isn't wasting time on useless hotlines

[Novus America]

You are the reason this airhead will get reelected.

Because he is running the country fine?

Why? Because of his name and hair?
Which are the only reasons he is in office.

Certainly not because of his (lack of) intellect or (lack of) ability to get much done.

Legalized weed like he said, respects veterans, conforms to the UN climate agreement, isn't wasting time on useless hotlines

https://www.cpacanada.ca/en/news/canada ... -emissions
If you are going to say he does something at least makes sure he actually is doing it, not totally failing.
The other two are not substantiative. So he went on vacation to France? I can do that too, can I be PM?

So all you got left is weed.
Which plenty of places have legalized without him.

[The Archregimancy]

Vive Quebec libre

If you're going to back an independence movement in its own language, it would be courteous to at least try and get the grammar right.

For future reference, you missed the definite article.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Because he is running the country fine?



Legalized weed like he said, respects veterans, conforms to the UN climate agreement, isn't wasting time on useless hotlines

https://www.cpacanada.ca/en/news/canada ... -emissions
If you are going to say he does something at least makes sure he actually is doing it, not totally failing.
The other two are not substantiative. So he went on vacation to France? I can do that too, can I be PM?

So all you got left is weed.
Which plenty of places have legalized without him.

At least he is still in it, and that seems to be a problem with provinces and territories rather then the federal government.
He respected the fallen who served in France.

But he did indeed legalized it.

[Novus America]

https://www.cpacanada.ca/en/news/canada ... -emissions
If you are going to say he does something at least makes sure he actually is doing it, not totally failing.
The other two are not substantiative. So he went on vacation to France? I can do that too, can I be PM?

So all you got left is weed.
Which plenty of places have legalized without him.

At least he is still in it, and that seems to be a problem with provinces and territories rather then the federal government.
He respected the fallen who served in France.

But he did indeed legalized it.

He is in it only for show, not substance. Saying he will do it, but not actually doing it.
We have a word for that. Lying. If you are not going to abide by it it is better to be honest about it.
Hmmm, seeing a pattern perhaps?
Going to France, also show, not substance.

So it is all about the weed. And now that it was legalized what else do you need him for, if toking it up is the only real reason?

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

I'm not Canadian, so can somebody tell me which moose has the biggest antlers? Whoever he is - he's got my vote!

[Western Vale Confederacy]

At least he is still in it, and that seems to be a problem with provinces and territories rather then the federal government.
He respected the fallen who served in France.

But he did indeed legalized it.

He is in it only for show, not substance. Saying he will do it, but not actually doing it.
We have a word for that. Lying. If you are not going to abide by it it is better to be honest about it.
Hmmm, seeing a pattern perhaps?
Going to France, also show, not substance.

So it is all about the weed. And now that it was legalized what else do you need him for, if toking it up is the only real reason?

Allow me to make the reason for his election short and sweet...

The weed and the name recognition.

[Novus America]

He is in it only for show, not substance. Saying he will do it, but not actually doing it.
We have a word for that. Lying. If you are not going to abide by it it is better to be honest about it.
Hmmm, seeing a pattern perhaps?
Going to France, also show, not substance.

So it is all about the weed. And now that it was legalized what else do you need him for, if toking it up is the only real reason?

Allow me to make the reason for his election short and sweet...

The weed and the name recognition.

Plus his hair. Which people think is awesome for whatever reasons.

Though I guess if you get totally baked and stare at his picture maybe it seems okay if you are a straight woman or gay guy.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Allow me to make the reason for his election short and sweet...

The weed and the name recognition.

Plus his hair. Which people think is awesome for whatever reasons.

Though I guess if you get totally stoned and stare at his picture maybe it seems okay.

In other words, actual political illiterates voted him because they opened a Canadian history book for the first time since high school while completely stoned and saw P.E. Trudeau and thought "Well, if he was in power, then clearly his son who was a dramatical arts teacher would be pefect!".

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

Okay so seriously:

Trudeau doesn't seem so bad, though his foreign policy could use a little work.

Scheer's a bit of a twat but I've seen worse, though I like his tougher stance on China and Saudi Arabia. More politicians the world over should be.

Singh seems alright but his stanch on guns is stupid.

May's stances aren't bad in and of themselves but holy fuck she really needs to think about what she's going to say before she says it.

Can't find a whole lot on Blanchet so I'll just go off his party's positions instead: BQ is alright from what I can tell.

And as for Bernier and his "People's Party", I find populism inherently distasteful and they both seem incredibly naive and idealistic. I'm eager to see if they manage to practice what they preach or become another one of those party's where the name contradicts the practices.

If I was Canadian though, I'd probably vote Trudeau as I disagree with him the least. Though really the only candidate I can say I dislike is Scheer, the rest are all more or less the same from what I can tell.

[Shrillland]

Plus his hair. Which people think is awesome for whatever reasons.

Though I guess if you get totally stoned and stare at his picture maybe it seems okay.

In other words, actual political illiterates voted him because they opened a Canadian history book for the first time since high school while completely stoned and saw P.E. Trudeau and thought "Well, if he was in power, then clearly his son who was a dramatical arts teacher would be pefect!".

Well, the last two Liberal leaders before him were milquetoast and ineffective, Ignatieff in particular seemed fairly weak-kneed. Trudeau could've been greater as a PM, but he reneged on his promise to switch Canada to PR or MMP because it meant sharing power with the NDP, and god forbid there ever be a coalition government.

[Shrillland]

Vive Quebec libre

If you're going to back an independence movement in its own language, it would be courteous to at least try and get the grammar right.

For future reference, you missed the definite article.

Also for Trumptonium, just saying "Quebec" in such a context usually refers to the city, whereas "Le Quebec" means the province.

[Dresderstan]

I still do not understand how Quebec nationalism/sovereignty can still be an issue. I knew it was only a matter of time till the Bloc would die, but after their awful results in the elections since 2011, their terrible poll numbers being lower than the Greens and even the split between the Bloc with Debout (Who would inevitably rejoin the Bloc) back last year and only just recently have a new leader who will probably run in their safest riding of Manicouagan, I feel like this could be the election where the Bloc loses all of their seats. No joke, with the collapse of both the NDP and the Bloc in Quebec and the Liberals basically coming in to sweep the province I see the Bloc effectively die in the federal level, and it's only an amount of time until Parti in the provincial election does the same. And frankly I kind of hope the party goes defunct and no longer exists, it should put the issue of where Quebec is in line with the rest of Canada as is.

[Trumptonium1]

Vive Quebec libre

If you're going to back an independence movement in its own language, it would be courteous to at least try and get the grammar right.

For future reference, you missed the definite article.

Language changes with time. Thou ought to know that.

Maybe I changed it. I claim credit for any future use.

I still do not understand how Quebec nationalism/sovereignty can still be an issue.

Do you understand how Scottish/Catalan nationalism can still be an issue?

There's also the added plus of having to be and live in Canada. With dicks like Trudeau running it.

[Painisia]

I will go with the Greens. What I am glad about them is that they aren't so socialist in their policies. But I wish the Social Credit Party was around now.......

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

At least he is still in it, and that seems to be a problem with provinces and territories rather then the federal government.
He respected the fallen who served in France.

But he did indeed legalized it.

He is in it only for show, not substance. Saying he will do it, but not actually doing it.
We have a word for that. Lying. If you are not going to abide by it it is better to be honest about it.
Hmmm, seeing a pattern perhaps?
Going to France, also show, not substance.

So it is all about the weed. And now that it was legalized what else do you need him for, if toking it up is the only real reason?

He is not lying. The problem is the provincial governments and territory governments not doing enough to lower there emissions like your own source said.

Stop blaming it on a person who can't force provincial governments and territory governments to do something without overstepping Federal-Provincial/Territorial boundaries.

He set up the targets, but the provincial governments and territory governments failed to meet zed targets. It would be like blaming the Federal US government for something that is a individual state problem.

Respecting the fallen is substance.

[Novus America]

He is in it only for show, not substance. Saying he will do it, but not actually doing it.
We have a word for that. Lying. If you are not going to abide by it it is better to be honest about it.
Hmmm, seeing a pattern perhaps?
Going to France, also show, not substance.

So it is all about the weed. And now that it was legalized what else do you need him for, if toking it up is the only real reason?

He is not lying. The problem is the provincial governments and territory governments not doing enough to lower there emissions like your own source said.

Stop blaming it on a person who can't force provincial governments and territory governments to do something without overstepping Federal-Provincial/Territorial boundaries.

He set up the targets, but the provincial governments and territory governments failed to meet zed targets. It would be like blaming the Federal US government for something that is a individual state problem.

Respecting the fallen is substance.

Making a promise you know you cannot keep is lying.
He signed on to those targets despite having absolutely no plan to meet them, regardless of the reason. If Canada’s federal systems makes the agreement doomed he should not have signed it knowing it was doomed.
Besides how does him promising to do something he cannot do make him good?

Actually respecting the fallen might be, but this does not require going on vacation.
Does he actually respect? I doubt it considering he does not understand it given his silver spoon life and lack of military service.
And anybody can publicly pretend to show respect. Does not make him any better than millions of other people.

So we are still at weed.
Yeah he helped get you your weed. Now he has no more use.

[Philjia]

Conservatives and NDP will likely pick up seats from the Liberals, but the Liberals will probably remain the largest party, even if their majority is lost.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

I've been somewhat out of the loop for the past couple months, but how the hell is Elizabeth May still running? She's been at this for more than a decade, including playing the gender card at debate exclusion that applied to her male predecessors, drunkenly raving about how Omar Khadr has "more class than the whole fuckin' cabinet," and feuding with her own party over the idea of boycotting Israel. Through it all, she hasn't made it very far. Why haven't they kicked her out by now?

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

He is not lying. The problem is the provincial governments and territory governments not doing enough to lower there emissions like your own source said.

Stop blaming it on a person who can't force provincial governments and territory governments to do something without overstepping Federal-Provincial/Territorial boundaries.

He set up the targets, but the provincial governments and territory governments failed to meet zed targets. It would be like blaming the Federal US government for something that is a individual state problem.

Respecting the fallen is substance.

Making a promise you know you cannot keep is lying.
He signed on to those targets despite having absolutely no plan to meet them, regardless of the reason. If Canada’s federal systems makes the agreement doomed he should not have signed it knowing it was doomed.
Besides how does him promising to do something he cannot do make him good?

Actually respecting the fallen might be, but this does not require going on vacation.
Does he actually respect? I doubt it considering he does not understand it given his silver spoon life and lack of military service.
And anybody can do that. Does not make him any better than millions of other people.

So we are still at weed.
Yeah he helped get you your weed. Now he has no more use.

He did everything he could to fulfil his end of the promise without overstepping the boundaries between Provincial and Federal government.

What was he supposed to do, declare a national emergency and commit drastic measures to lower emissions? Tax hike on Gas? No thanks, I don't want Canada to end up like France.


Actually, he does. He reenacts battles from 1812 and The Battle of Vimy Ridge.
Anybody can, but he did. Unlike a certain other leader who leads another allied nation from WW1 beacuse of light rain.

[Arcturus Novus]

New Dems deserve their day in the sun tbh

[Western Vale Confederacy]

New Dems deserve their day in the sun tbh

Well, I guess somebody who hasn't fucked us over yet is better than people who have already fucked us over.

[Dresderstan]

Conservatives and NDP will likely pick up seats from the Liberals, but the Liberals will probably remain the largest party, even if their majority is lost.

Nah I don't think the NDP will pick up seats, if anything they're gonna lose seats from the Liberals and possibly the Tories. The NDP is effectively dead in Quebec and will just help the Liberals, and the Central provinces are gonna swing more for the Conservatives. The only high ground the NDP has is in BC and small parts of Ontario. At best the NDP has 30 seats or so, but my guess is it'll probably be lower, I think it depends what happens in the by-elections of Burnaby South and Outremont the two seats the party needs to win to gain momentum, especially in Burnaby South for the NDP leader whose running wants to get into parliament.