by Shrillland » Thu Jan 17, 2019 7:42 pm
by Shrillland » Wed Jan 23, 2019 11:42 am
by Risastorstein » Wed Jan 23, 2019 11:55 am
by Phoenicaea » Wed Jan 23, 2019 12:10 pm
by Trumptonium1 » Wed Jan 23, 2019 12:42 pm
by Bienenhalde » Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:17 pm
by Shrillland » Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:20 pm
Bienenhalde wrote:I support the the Christian Democratic Union of Germany and its affiliates around Europe belonging to the European People's Party.
by Shrillland » Wed Jan 23, 2019 5:34 pm
by Shrillland » Wed Jan 23, 2019 5:34 pm
by Farnhamia » Wed Jan 23, 2019 6:38 pm
Shrillland wrote:Here you all go: https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=458551
OK mods, lock this one up...please.
by Thermodolia » Wed Jan 23, 2019 6:46 pm
Farnhamia wrote:Shrillland wrote:Here you all go: https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=458551
OK mods, lock this one up...please.
Nope, it doesn't work that way. Trumptonium can't abandon something he doesn't own. I merged your new thread into this one.
by Trumptonium1 » Wed Jan 23, 2019 7:10 pm
by Farnhamia » Wed Jan 23, 2019 7:31 pm
by Trumptonium1 » Wed Jan 23, 2019 7:38 pm
by Far Easter Republic » Wed Jan 23, 2019 7:38 pm
by Farnhamia » Wed Jan 23, 2019 7:41 pm
by Shrillland » Wed Jan 23, 2019 7:44 pm
Trumptonium1 wrote:to correct the OP, the EPP are not part of the EPP
by Major-Tom » Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:03 pm
by Shrillland » Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:53 pm
Major-Tom wrote:The coalition of the EPP, ALDE, and S&D has proven to be a coalition of complacency, relative apathy and mismanagement. But I know the populist right insurgencies would be leagues worse.
Essentially, does one vote for the milquetoast bureaucrats who lazily half-ass their jobs and fall victim to all-around do-nothingness, or does one vote for the people offering no tangible solutions and opportunities for reform, just half-assed, lazy and downright dangerous xenophobia?
I'll easily take the former there and hope the more mainstream European parties understand that for their electoral relevance to continue, they need to work to reform the European Union, the European Parliament, and much that has to do with the institutions and legislative processes of the body themselves.
by Major-Tom » Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:56 pm
Shrillland wrote:Major-Tom wrote:The coalition of the EPP, ALDE, and S&D has proven to be a coalition of complacency, relative apathy and mismanagement. But I know the populist right insurgencies would be leagues worse.
Essentially, does one vote for the milquetoast bureaucrats who lazily half-ass their jobs and fall victim to all-around do-nothingness, or does one vote for the people offering no tangible solutions and opportunities for reform, just half-assed, lazy and downright dangerous xenophobia?
I'll easily take the former there and hope the more mainstream European parties understand that for their electoral relevance to continue, they need to work to reform the European Union, the European Parliament, and much that has to do with the institutions and legislative processes of the body themselves.
What about the Greens or the EUL-NGL? They're only opposed to the EU being a pillar of neoliberalism, and the Greens know that the best thing for Europe is further integration.
by Phoenicaea » Wed Jan 23, 2019 11:38 pm
by Shrillland » Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:04 am
Phoenicaea wrote:pardon. this is not to insult the author of thread @Shrilland, nevertheless, epp and s&d are definitely not "pro-european".
this is valid beyond all what you wish to say as 'pro-european'. i have to say this is a harsh fault so that giving no sense to all this.
some representative apart, vast majority and the head of epp and s&d are not pro-european.
there is no chance in this.
by Crylante » Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:59 am
by Liburia » Sat Jan 26, 2019 8:48 am
Shrillland wrote:Since Trumptonium is abandoning his thread, I'll be posting one in its place. As he said though, it is a big deal with the European Parliament being reduced to 705 seats(unless the insanity of Brexit reaches Hunter S. Thompson proportions, which it might), and the Euroscpetics are looking for as many as a third of the seats in the new parliament(225 according to current projections). Greens and far-left parties, too, are poised to make gains. The old parties are still around, but some of the newer ones are still trying to form Europarties. France's En Marche!, for example, wants to set up its own group, but they still can't get the votes from other countries. M5S, from Italy, has thought about setting up its own anti-establishment Eurosceptic party. Whatever the grousing look like, one thing that is certain is that turnout will consist, as it usually does, of exactly eight people and a particularly intelligent rottweiler...except in Belgium where voting is compulsory.
So, let's look at the major groupings! (Don't take it personally if I've left your country out, I'm getting what are considered the major ones on here)
European People's Party(EPP): Centre-right, Pro-European, Liberal Conservative, Christian Democratic
Major members include the UK Conservatives(just in case), Austria's ÖVP, Belgium's CD&V and cdH, Czechia's KDU-CSL and TOP 09, France's Republicans, Denmark's Conservatives, Finland's KoK, Germany's CDU/CSU, Greece's ND, Hungary's Fidesz(why, I have no idea), Ireland's Fine Gael, Italy's Forza Italia, The Netherlands' CDA, Poland's PO, Portugal's PSD, Spain's PP, and Sweden's Moderates.
Progressive Alliance of Socialists and Democrats(S&D): Centre-left, Social Democratic, Pro-European
Major members include Austria's SPÖ, Belgium's PS/sp.a, Czechia's CSSD, Denmark's Social Democrats, Finland's SDP, France's PS, Germany's SPD, Greece's PASOK, Hungary's MSZP, Ireland's Labour, Italy's PD, The Netherlands' PvdA, Portugal's PS, Spain's PSOE, Sweden's Social Democrats, and UK's Labour.
European Conservatives and Reformists(ECR): Right Wing, Eurosceptic, Conservative, Economic Liberalism
Major members include Belgium's NVA(no Walloon equivalent in ECR), Czechia's ODS, Denmark's DPP, Finland's Finns Party, The Netherlands' CU and SGP, Poland's PiS, Sweden's Sweden Democrats, and 18 UK Conservatives and 1 UUP.
Alliance of Liberals and Democrats for Europe(ALDE): Social Liberalism, Pro-European, Conservative Liberalism
Major members include Austria's NEOS, Belgium's VLD and MR, Czechia's ANO 2011, Denmark's Venstre and Radical Left, Finland's Centre Party and SFP, France's MoDem and UDI, Germany's FDP, Ireland's Fianna Fail, a small section of Italy's PD, The Netherlands' VVD and D66, Spain's Ciudadanos, Sweden's Liberals and Centre Party, and UK's Liberal Democrats.
Greens-European Free Alliance(Greens-EFA): Eurofederalism, Green Politics, Regionalism
Major members include Austria's GRÜNE, Belgium's Ecolo and Groen, Denmark's SF, Finland's VIHR, France's EELV, Germany's Alliance 90/Greens, Ireland's Green Party, The Netherlands' GroenLinks, Sweden's MP, and UK's Greens, SNP, and PC.
European United Left-Nordic Green Left(EUL-NGL): Soft Eurosceptic, Democratic Socialist, Left Wing to Far Left
Major Members include Czechia's KSCM, Finland's Left Alliance, France's Left Front(including the PCF), Germany's Die Linke, Greece's SYRIZA, Ireland's(and Northern Ireland's) Sinn Fein, The Netherlands' SD and PvdD, Portugal's PCP-PEV, Spain's PODEMOS, and Sweden's Left Party.
Europe of Freedom and Direct Democracy(EFDD): Eurosceptic, Right wing, Populist
Major Members include Germany's AfD, Italy's M5S, Poland's Wolność(Liberty), and a section of UK's UKIP.
Europe of Nations and Freedom(ENF): Right-wing to Far-right, Eurosceptic, Populist, Nationalist
Major Members include Austria's FPÖ, Belgium's VB, France's RN(formerly FN), Germany's Blue Party, Italy's Lega, The Netherlands' PVV, Poland's KNP, and UK's UKIP.
Then, we have the Non-inscrits that are either too radical or independent for any of the major groups. Greece's Golden Dawn and KKE both belong to this one, as do a handful of independents.
Right then, whom do you support?
Personally, I'm in favour of S&D as a major party, but with a transferable vote, I'd actually say the Greens-EFA for first and EUL-NGL for second, and S&D for third. Europe needs to fight back against this populist storm and work towards the old goal of ever greater union.
by Trumptonium1 » Sat Jan 26, 2019 8:52 am
Liburia wrote:You did not include pan-European parties such as Volt Europa and Diem25. I am member of Volt Europa.
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