Yes but at its core it is an economic system. Plus for the vast majority of socialist states a vanguard party has clamped down on “anti-revolutionary thought”
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by Thermodolia » Sun Jan 20, 2019 3:26 am
by New haven america » Sun Jan 20, 2019 3:27 am
Infected Mushroom wrote:Thermodolia wrote:If a revolution occurs and a socialist state is created, you aren’t going to have a great time. You come from money which will make you hated, on top of that several tv shows, movies, and video games you like would most likely be banned “for spreading anti-revolutionary propaganda”
Hmmmm...
I will have to think about those possibilities...
by Kowani » Sun Jan 20, 2019 3:27 am
by Thermodolia » Sun Jan 20, 2019 3:28 am
by Thermodolia » Sun Jan 20, 2019 3:32 am
New haven america wrote:
TBH, this rings true in any dictatorship, the richer you are the more of a threat you are to the government, and they will deal with you by any means necessary.
That's not your money (I honestly doubt that it is your money to begin with), it's the government's.
by The World Capitalist Confederation » Sun Jan 20, 2019 4:23 am
Thermodolia wrote:New haven america wrote:TBH, this rings true in any dictatorship, the richer you are the more of a threat you are to the government, and they will deal with you by any means necessary.
That's not your money (I honestly doubt that it is your money to begin with), it's the government's.
Unless you are super rich, and I mean bill gates rich, or an industrialist you’ll probably only lose your wealth under a socialist regime. Under any other system the super rich would more than likely be the ones running the show while those who are the “middle rich” would be removed from the money
by The World Capitalist Confederation » Sun Jan 20, 2019 4:24 am
by The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sun Jan 20, 2019 8:21 am
by Hakons » Sun Jan 20, 2019 8:59 am
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:It's been said before, but I want to make it clear.
There is no crysis on the US border. Trump is just fear mongering for the purpose of a wall.
by The South Falls » Sun Jan 20, 2019 9:02 am
Hakons wrote:The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:It's been said before, but I want to make it clear.
There is no crysis on the US border. Trump is just fear mongering for the purpose of a wall.
>Trump is putting immigrant children in cages at the border
>There is no crisis at the border
Pick one.
There's not enough crisis to declare a national emergency, but there are dire humanitarian needs. Border security and personnel needs more help in processing and housing migrants.
by Hakons » Sun Jan 20, 2019 9:10 am
The South Falls wrote:Hakons wrote:
>Trump is putting immigrant children in cages at the border
>There is no crisis at the border
Pick one.
There's not enough crisis to declare a national emergency, but there are dire humanitarian needs. Border security and personnel needs more help in processing and housing migrants.
Neither of those options requires a wall, that's the issue. More border security agents, and high-tech methods of information processing.
by The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sun Jan 20, 2019 9:22 am
Hakons wrote:The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:It's been said before, but I want to make it clear.
There is no crysis on the US border. Trump is just fear mongering for the purpose of a wall.
>Trump is putting immigrant children in cages at the border
>There is no crisis at the border
Pick one.
There's not enough crisis to declare a national emergency, but there are dire humanitarian needs. Border security and personnel needs more help in processing and housing migrants.
by Shofercia » Sun Jan 20, 2019 11:05 am
by Infected Mushroom » Sun Jan 20, 2019 11:08 am
by Greater vakolicci haven » Sun Jan 20, 2019 11:10 am
Shofercia wrote:There is a crisis on the Southern border, but it's about drugs, not immigrants. So why don't we just give Trump's $5 billion border wall funding to the DEA and the Border Patrol, tell them "here's five billion, cut down the drug trade" and see how they want to spend it?
by The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sun Jan 20, 2019 11:14 am
Shofercia wrote:There is a crisis on the Southern border, but it's about drugs, not immigrants. So why don't we just give Trump's $5 billion border wall funding to the DEA and the Border Patrol, tell them "here's five billion, cut down the drug trade" and see how they want to spend it?
by Shofercia » Sun Jan 20, 2019 11:14 am
Infected Mushroom wrote:What if the Democrats gave Trump his 5 billion for the wall, but in exchange ask for an additional 2-3 billion on a choice project of theirs?
Or does the US not have enough billions?
by Thermodolia » Sun Jan 20, 2019 11:15 am
The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:Thermodolia wrote:Unless you are super rich, and I mean bill gates rich, or an industrialist you’ll probably only lose your wealth under a socialist regime. Under any other system the super rich would more than likely be the ones running the show while those who are the “middle rich” would be removed from the money
If you are super rich*. Socialism distributes property equally, therefore leading to less and possibly no inequality. The political system is another matter, although I personally support one run directly by the workers. Stop strawmanning socialism as though it's represented by Stalin and Mao alone.
by Greater vakolicci haven » Sun Jan 20, 2019 11:16 am
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Shofercia wrote:There is a crisis on the Southern border, but it's about drugs, not immigrants. So why don't we just give Trump's $5 billion border wall funding to the DEA and the Border Patrol, tell them "here's five billion, cut down the drug trade" and see how they want to spend it?
I'd be ok with that.
by Olthar » Sun Jan 20, 2019 11:17 am
Shofercia wrote:There is a crisis on the Southern border, but it's about drugs, not immigrants. So why don't we just give Trump's $5 billion border wall funding to the DEA and the Border Patrol, tell them "here's five billion, cut down the drug trade" and see how they want to spend it?
by Infected Mushroom » Sun Jan 20, 2019 11:17 am
Shofercia wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:What if the Democrats gave Trump his 5 billion for the wall, but in exchange ask for an additional 2-3 billion on a choice project of theirs?
Or does the US not have enough billions?
Here's the thing - Dems don't want any walls, anymore. If they cave, a part of their base will be pissed off, and not vote for them. On the other hand, if there's no wall, Trump will be viewed as caving, thus losing a part of his base. This isn't about Republican Border Security, or Democrats caring about the poor little immigrant Jose, whom they are very happy for their donors to exploit with below minimum wage job offers. It's about the Presidential Election in 2020, which is why I think it'd be hilarious if Trump steps down and Pence runs. CNN/MSNBC will set a World Record in the switch from "muh Mueller Probe!" to "muh Gay Rights!"
by Shofercia » Sun Jan 20, 2019 11:17 am
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Shofercia wrote:There is a crisis on the Southern border, but it's about drugs, not immigrants. So why don't we just give Trump's $5 billion border wall funding to the DEA and the Border Patrol, tell them "here's five billion, cut down the drug trade" and see how they want to spend it?
Because the DEA are arseholes who don't have any idea of how due process works?
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Shofercia wrote:There is a crisis on the Southern border, but it's about drugs, not immigrants. So why don't we just give Trump's $5 billion border wall funding to the DEA and the Border Patrol, tell them "here's five billion, cut down the drug trade" and see how they want to spend it?
I'd be ok with that.
by Thermodolia » Sun Jan 20, 2019 11:19 am
Infected Mushroom wrote:Shofercia wrote:
Here's the thing - Dems don't want any walls, anymore. If they cave, a part of their base will be pissed off, and not vote for them. On the other hand, if there's no wall, Trump will be viewed as caving, thus losing a part of his base. This isn't about Republican Border Security, or Democrats caring about the poor little immigrant Jose, whom they are very happy for their donors to exploit with below minimum wage job offers. It's about the Presidential Election in 2020, which is why I think it'd be hilarious if Trump steps down and Pence runs. CNN/MSNBC will set a World Record in the switch from "muh Mueller Probe!" to "muh Gay Rights!"
So why not give Trump his wall but get some other federal/National publicized left wing project that will offset (or theoretically offset) the political points docked?
Surely the Democrats want SOMETHING flashy and national that could be worth a few additional billions ?
by Shofercia » Sun Jan 20, 2019 11:20 am
Olthar wrote:Shofercia wrote:There is a crisis on the Southern border, but it's about drugs, not immigrants. So why don't we just give Trump's $5 billion border wall funding to the DEA and the Border Patrol, tell them "here's five billion, cut down the drug trade" and see how they want to spend it?
So, instead of wasting money on a do nothing vanity project with no positive benefits, we waste money on a do nothing vanity project with no positive benefits that has better PR. The War on Drugs doesn't work.
by Thermodolia » Sun Jan 20, 2019 11:20 am
Shofercia wrote:Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Because the DEA are arseholes who don't have any idea of how due process works?
Whereas Republicans and Democrats would never gut due process by passing the PATRIOT Act with record speed... Look, the Government is still shut down. Neither side is likely to cave. Workers are going to get pissed off if it stays shut down into March. This'll also cause the DEA to be even more assholish, as their salaries will start to depend on seized loot.
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